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aprilfloyd
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No!! I just like saying random stuffDo you really believe what you say?
Seriously, Of course I do.
Bombarded with pro same-sex marriage arguments, more the younger generations?
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Seriously, Of course I do.
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skigirl1689
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Thanks! Sorry I took it wrongWell, I was just kidding. Islam and LDS around here,you knowā¦ not exactly like Lutherans or Baptistsā¦
I probably agree with your Lutheran theology about as much as I agree with Catholic theology.
As for Lutheran and Catholic theology, weāre probably in the same boat in a way,
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buffalo
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Do you have an objection to a father wanting to marry his daughter? If so why?No!! I just like saying random stuff
Seriously, Of course I do.
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aprilfloyd
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Good question.
No I am not a practising Catholic. Although I like to think I have some education so not āuneducatedā, if you please.
I say raised catholic as for the purposes of this forum that is what I am, and is where i am coming from. My dad would say I am catholic as āI have no choiceā a view I have found on this thread. A lot of my close friends are Catholic. I was indoctrinated as a child and was confirmed a Catholic at about 10. A practice I disagree with as I feel children should not be exposed to religion until they are at least 18 and can make a choice for themselves about whether to follow a religion.
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aprilfloyd
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Buffalo! Are you trying to suggest that somehow we can draw a link between incest and homosexuality? Tut Tut!
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Soren_Itenu
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God.
Look to Him and the revelation of His will, and Love will become self-evident.
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Crescentinus
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Good.
The question is directed more at aprilfloyd and Veritas, to be fair.
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Soren_Itenu
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VeritasLuxMea
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Right, the big distinction (IMO) there would be the issue of consent. We generally agree (and I believe you do too) that neither animals nor children can offer consent to romantic relationships.
Homosexuality, on the other handā¦
To be honest Iām not even opposed to your classification of homosexuality as a āwrongā type of love, I just donāt see any evidence that it rises to that level.
It doesnāt make it not in your own best interest, either. However, you say it definitively ISNāT, I just want to know whyā¦
There are certain legal protections that heterosexual couples can get that homosexual ones canāt.
Generally speaking, I would say they should increase the common good, though thatās not the whole story either. Maybe you could argue that the common good would be served by dispossessing certain wealthy individuals. That may be true, but itās not the only issue the law has to worry about.
Anyway, still looking for reasons why legally-recognized homosexual relationships are contrary to the common good. Trickiest thing about Catholicism: trying to believe a whole bunch of things that you donāt actually believe or find morally detestable.
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aprilfloyd
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I know Catholics believe in Souls and I donāt have an issue with it. What they do in the privacy of their own homes is their business - not mine. Live and let live. I know you are heavily influenced by your religion, but there are other views too.Have you ever seen my ID stuff?
There is no evidence for a gay gene. However, we are beginning to understand epigenetics. No doubt you were taught that behavior and environmental changes could not be passed to offspring. Well, that may not be so. How does that affect us? One could have a predisposition to alcoholism, or stealing. As responsible humans we are called to overcome these desires through self mastery. We wouldnāt call upon other citizens to make laws to protect our failings, much less embrace and champion them.
Catholics do not believe that God creates us directly. We understand our parents part in this. We understand He directly creates our soul.
Had we still had our prototypical body as Adam and Eve had together with the preternatural gifts we would be human perfection. Geneticists understand we are devolving 3-5% each generation. That means that we have 200 or so more mutations to deal with than our parents and so on. After the fall we became subject of desires of the flesh and homosexual acts came with that. These are behavioral issues.
Who is calling you. I have a predisposition to heterosexuality, but donāt feel the need to overcome it. I also have a predisposition to cupcakes and I probably would like to overcome that.
Do you feel heterosexuality is a behavioural issue? Or a test? to be overcome.
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VeritasLuxMea
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To put anotherās needs and desires above oneās own? I donāt know why donāt you define it? I never said ālove is loveā though (Iām not even sure why someone would say something like thatā¦serves no purpose)
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Crescentinus
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Iāve seen so many people from the pro-āSSMā side say that repeatedly. For instance, Iāve seen that slogan on deviantART.
That being said, I am quite curious. As to what reasons do you believe in āSSMā?
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aprilfloyd
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Sorry - I did not understand the question
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Crescentinus
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Do you want me to repeat it?Sorry - I did not understand the question
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aprilfloyd
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If you think that will help me understand it.Do you want me to repeat it?
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VeritasLuxMea
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Sheeniac
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I didnāt mean āuneducatedā as an insult. I have friends who are cradle Catholics, went to Catholic schools, yet I would consider them uneducated in the faith. My generation (Gen X) suffered mightily in not getting a thorough understanding in the tenets of the faith.
From your fatherās statements, it would seem that you are a teen. I became an atheist at the age of 15, but no one in my family really practiced the faith, so I didnāt have that problem. Do you consider yourself an agnostic? A basic Christian, but not a Catholic?
Basically, this topic truly falls under faith and morals for orthodox (as opposed to dissenting) Catholics, one that we believe is therefore true and not subject to the Church being incorrect in her judgment.
So we take this belief and vote it. Are there Catholics who see āgay marriageā as something unimportant? Probably, but I think they should remain quiet so as not to cause scandal. There are times when I am not 100% in agreement with the Church, but I will keep that to myself and not criticize my 2,000 year old Church. In the event of disagreement, it is more likely that the Church is right and I am wrong. Itās a very difficult thing to get oneās mind around, but it is possible.
If you look at European countries that have legalized gay marriage, you will see that the rate of traditional marriage has dropped. So there is an impact. In addition, there are now attempts on the horizon to bring about marriages of more than 2 people about, which was predicted. While these attempts are still small and few, they exist, and will only grow.
In my mind, if marriage is to be redefined, why stop there? Why is it wrong to marry someone related to you? Once God (or at least Natural Law) is tossed out, there is no reason to prohibit incestuous marriages.
May your search for the Truth be fruitful.
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Crescentinus
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The supporters of same-sex āmarriageā argue that what they are fighting for is love.If you think that will help me understand it.
They thus argue that love is love no matter where one finds it, or that love is love no matter what.
The question is, if love is love (covering both variations of the ālove is loveā argument), then what is love?
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Crescentinus
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Something like that, seeing as they generally see love as something which does not have differences. In reality, love has differences especially in degrees and types. The Greeks are able to go for the latter (types) well because they have 4 words for love.
Ah, good. I can understand the frustration on your part. Ergo, I have a different way of approaching the debate. Instead of simply going after emotional knee-jerk responses, I am able to use reason in conjunction with emotions. Hence, I am able to look past the smokescreens and strawmen put forth by the SS"M" supporters.
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VeritasLuxMea
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What puts them under any obligation to answer that?
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