Boy Scouts Expected to End Ban on Gay Leaders

[RACJ]

Victim stats are available. Girls are molested far more than boys.

Part of the problem with trying to pigeon hole people into boxes based on attraction is that people have sex for reasons other than attraction (power, money, self-gratification, intoxicated, high, etc.)

Thanks, Dawnia. These statistics don’t answer exatly what I am asking, but they are helpful. I want to know what percentage of prisoners landed themselves in the klink for same-sex molestation as opposed to opposite-sex perversion.

 

[pnewton]

The problem here is that it’s assumed one’s attraction to a specific gender crosses over into being attracted to a specific gender in youth. This happens when one is a pedophile – which is a sexual disorder – not when one is heterosexual or homosexual…

You understand that “sexual disorder” is just a man-made label that changes back and forth over time. Both of these proclivities are disorders sexual desires. Homosexuality was once called a disorder and pedophilia will likely cease to be a disorder. Surely pornography is not considered the disorder that it is. Yet all such things are disordered and are equivalent manifestations of the same deadly sin. Likewise, philandering is in the same category and has the same root.

I would say the objection made is based either in the idea that sexual lust is fixed (something we understand is false when dealing with a rapist or pedophile), or that homosexuality is not disorder of sexual lust, something contrary to Catholic teaching.

 

[Dawnia]

Thanks, Dawnia. These statistics don’t answer exatly what I am asking, but they are helpful. I want to know what percentage of prisoners landed themselves in the klink for same-sex molestation as opposed to opposite-sex perversion.

The stats are out there. It just takes some searching (in some cases lots of searching) to find exactly what you’re looking for.

 

[SilverLight]

While this is true, there are limits to which our beliefs become true, and in the case of doctrine, orthodox or heresy.

Agreed

 

[estesbob]

There is no gay agenda? This gay rights group is not satisfied until Church’s renounce sound doctrine. In light of this, it should be clear who is behind this movement.

The Church should immediately disassociate themselves from BSA. If nothing else it would send a clear message to catholic Youth that the Church stands by its teachings.

It is sad to institution after institution sucked under by our dysfunctional culture.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

As several posters have claimed that “study after study” has shown that LGBTs are no more likely to abuse minors than heterosexuals, we should probably look at some stats.

The actual size of the population that identifies as LGBT in America is 3.4%, per Gallup. (gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx)

If the premise were true, we would expect that only 3.4% or less of the total number of sexual assaults on children were committed by molesters of the same sex as the victim. Even if we include the largest claimed percentage of individuals who have had sex with a member of the same sex at some point in their life (10%, per Kinsey), there should be no more than 10% homosexual molestations.

However, what we find instead is that approximately 1/3 of all child molestations are homosexual (the vast majority of them male offenders against male victims) - a number of assaults far out of proportion to homosexual representation in the population. (Kurt Freund, Robin Watson, and Douglas Rienzo, “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” The Journal of Sex Research 26, No. 1 (February, 1989): 107)

By no means are all homosexuals having sex acts with minors, but those that do are responsible for a significantly higher proportion of the assaults. This means that homosexuality represents a significant risk factor for those involved in youth-mentoring organizations.

Interviews with convicted pedophiles have determined that approximately 1/3 of them had a primary sexual interest in homosexual molestation - again, if the American population is only 3.4% LGBT, or at most 10%, why are they responsible for such a high proportion of the assaults on minors?

The simple explanation is that homosexuals give us a view of how human sexuality functions when it is disordered and does not have the God-given virtue of complementarity, with the male moderating the actions of the female and the female moderating the actions of the male.

In extremis, we would expect the male without the moderating influence of attraction to females to become wildly promiscuous, and this is what we see in male homosexual relationships - they have a far higher number of sexual partners over their lifetimes, which is why HIV/AIDS had such a horrible impact on the male gay community and why the rate of overall STD transmission is much higher for male homosexuals.

When homosexual pederasts have an interest in minors, they have a much, much higher number of victims than heterosexual molesters. Their recidivism rate is also much higher and they are less amenable to therapy.

One could argue that these aren’t “true gays” doing this because gay people aren’t “pedophiles,” but that is just the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy in action. Whether you consider these molesters gay or not, they certainly do. 86% of convicted molesters involved in male against male offenses against a minor self-identify as gay or bisexual. (W. D. Erickson, “Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83.)

It’s hard to determine what percentage of the adult male homosexual population has an active interest in minors, and what percentage of those would be likely to act on those urges. One study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, “all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories,” which included males as young as age fifteen." (Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” p.73.) Given the research base showing a higher proportion of sexual interest and contact with children, and its celebration in much of gay literature as a “coming out” experience, prudence would dictate that homosexual men should not be in leadership positions within the Boy Scouts. If we weigh the risk of hurting the feelings and possible calumny against gay men who are interested in serving as an adult leader, but have no sexual interest in anyone under the age of 18, versus the catastrophic effects of a child in the scouts having sexual contact with an adult male, the choice should be obvious.

 

[GEddie]

And actually, the first symbols of Christianity were the lamb and the fish – totally passive, non-aggressive images that were completely free of violence. It’s worth folks’ time to investigate how and when a symbol of violence (the crucifix) became more popular…

Crucifixes were not common until about AD350, after death by the cross had been done away with.

Crosses, without a bodyform, had been in use since at least AD79; one was found in the ash near Pompeii. No visible body, but just as violent.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[Ridgerunner]

As several posters have claimed that “study after study” has shown that LGBTs are no more likely to abuse minors than heterosexuals, we should probably look at some stats.

The actual size of the population that identifies as LGBT in America is 3.4%, per Gallup. (gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx)

If the premise were true, we would expect that only 3.4% or less of the total number of sexual assaults on children were committed by molesters of the same sex as the victim. Even if we include the largest claimed percentage of individuals who have had sex with a member of the same sex at some point in their life (10%, per Kinsey), there should be no more than 10% homosexual molestations.

However, what we find instead is that approximately 1/3 of all child molestations are homosexual (the vast majority of them male offenders against male victims) - a number of assaults far out of proportion to homosexual representation in the population. (Kurt Freund, Robin Watson, and Douglas Rienzo, “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” The Journal of Sex Research 26, No. 1 (February, 1989): 107)

By no means are all homosexuals having sex acts with minors, but those that do are responsible for a significantly higher proportion of the assaults. This means that homosexuality represents a significant risk factor for those involved in youth-mentoring organizations.

Interviews with convicted pedophiles have determined that approximately 1/3 of them had a primary sexual interest in homosexual molestation - again, if the American population is only 3.4% LGBT, or at most 10%, why are they responsible for such a high proportion of the assaults on minors?

The simple explanation is that homosexuals give us a view of how human sexuality functions when it is disordered and does not have the God-given virtue of complementarity, with the male moderating the actions of the female and the female moderating the actions of the male.

In extremis, we would expect the male without the moderating influence of attraction to females to become wildly promiscuous, and this is what we see in male homosexual relationships - they have a far higher number of sexual partners over their lifetimes, which is why HIV/AIDS had such a horrible impact on the male gay community and why the rate of overall STD transmission is much higher for male homosexuals.

When homosexual pederasts have an interest in minors, they have a much, much higher number of victims than heterosexual molesters. Their recidivism rate is also much higher and they are less amenable to therapy.

One could argue that these aren’t “true gays” doing this because gay people aren’t “pedophiles,” but that is just the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy in action. Whether you consider these molesters gay or not, they certainly do. 86% of convicted molesters involved in male against male offenses against a minor self-identify as gay or bisexual. (W. D. Erickson, “Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83.)

It’s hard to determine what percentage of the adult male homosexual population has an active interest in minors, and what percentage of those would be likely to act on those urges. One study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, “all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories,” which included males as young as age fifteen." (Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” p.73.) Given the research base showing a higher proportion of sexual interest and contact with children, and its celebration in much of gay literature as a “coming out” experience, prudence would dictate that homosexual men should not be in leadership positions within the Boy Scouts. If we weigh the risk of hurting the feelings and possible calumny against gay men who are interested in serving as an adult leader, but have no sexual interest in anyone under the age of 18, versus the catastrophic effects of a child in the scouts having sexual contact with an adult male, the choice should be obvious.

Excellent post. Very informative.

 

[estesbob]

As several posters have claimed that “study after study” has shown that LGBTs are no more likely to abuse minors than heterosexuals, we should probably look at some stats.

The actual size of the population that identifies as LGBT in America is 3.4%, per Gallup. (gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx)

If the premise were true, we would expect that only 3.4% or less of the total number of sexual assaults on children were committed by molesters of the same sex as the victim. Even if we include the largest claimed percentage of individuals who have had sex with a member of the same sex at some point in their life (10%, per Kinsey), there should be no more than 10% homosexual molestations.

However, what we find instead is that approximately 1/3 of all child molestations are homosexual (the vast majority of them male offenders against male victims) - a number of assaults far out of proportion to homosexual representation in the population. (Kurt Freund, Robin Watson, and Douglas Rienzo, “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” The Journal of Sex Research 26, No. 1 (February, 1989): 107)

By no means are all homosexuals having sex acts with minors, but those that do are responsible for a significantly higher proportion of the assaults. This means that homosexuality represents a significant risk factor for those involved in youth-mentoring organizations.

Interviews with convicted pedophiles have determined that approximately 1/3 of them had a primary sexual interest in homosexual molestation - again, if the American population is only 3.4% LGBT, or at most 10%, why are they responsible for such a high proportion of the assaults on minors?

The simple explanation is that homosexuals give us a view of how human sexuality functions when it is disordered and does not have the God-given virtue of complementarity, with the male moderating the actions of the female and the female moderating the actions of the male.

In extremis, we would expect the male without the moderating influence of attraction to females to become wildly promiscuous, and this is what we see in male homosexual relationships - they have a far higher number of sexual partners over their lifetimes, which is why HIV/AIDS had such a horrible impact on the male gay community and why the rate of overall STD transmission is much higher for male homosexuals.

When homosexual pederasts have an interest in minors, they have a much, much higher number of victims than heterosexual molesters. Their recidivism rate is also much higher and they are less amenable to therapy.

One could argue that these aren’t “true gays” doing this because gay people aren’t “pedophiles,” but that is just the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy in action. Whether you consider these molesters gay or not, they certainly do. 86% of convicted molesters involved in male against male offenses against a minor self-identify as gay or bisexual. (W. D. Erickson, “Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83.)

It’s hard to determine what percentage of the adult male homosexual population has an active interest in minors, and what percentage of those would be likely to act on those urges. One study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, “all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories,” which included males as young as age fifteen." (Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” p.73.) Given the research base showing a higher proportion of sexual interest and contact with children, and its celebration in much of gay literature as a “coming out” experience, prudence would dictate that homosexual men should not be in leadership positions within the Boy Scouts. If we weigh the risk of hurting the feelings and possible calumny against gay men who are interested in serving as an adult leader, but have no sexual interest in anyone under the age of 18, versus the catastrophic effects of a child in the scouts having sexual contact with an adult male, the choice should be obvious.

Thank you for posting this. I suspect the basis of those who will try and refute this will rely heavily on “The no true Scotsman” fallacy

 

[Brendan]

The Church should immediately disassociate themselves from BSA. If nothing else it would send a clear message to catholic Youth that the Church stands by its teachings…

That is my biggest disappointment with the BSA. The message to our boys is that if you have a moral stance on an issue, but are receiving social and financial pressure to recant, then the solution is to change the moral teaching.

Not a very Catholic outlook…

 

[gnjsdad]

As several posters have claimed that “study after study” has shown that LGBTs are no more likely to abuse minors than heterosexuals, we should probably look at some stats.

The actual size of the population that identifies as LGBT in America is 3.4%, per Gallup. (gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx)

If the premise were true, we would expect that only 3.4% or less of the total number of sexual assaults on children were committed by molesters of the same sex as the victim. Even if we include the largest claimed percentage of individuals who have had sex with a member of the same sex at some point in their life (10%, per Kinsey), there should be no more than 10% homosexual molestations.

However, what we find instead is that approximately 1/3 of all child molestations are homosexual (the vast majority of them male offenders against male victims) - a number of assaults far out of proportion to homosexual representation in the population. (Kurt Freund, Robin Watson, and Douglas Rienzo, “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” The Journal of Sex Research 26, No. 1 (February, 1989): 107)

By no means are all homosexuals having sex acts with minors, but those that do are responsible for a significantly higher proportion of the assaults. This means that homosexuality represents a significant risk factor for those involved in youth-mentoring organizations.

Interviews with convicted pedophiles have determined that approximately 1/3 of them had a primary sexual interest in homosexual molestation - again, if the American population is only 3.4% LGBT, or at most 10%, why are they responsible for such a high proportion of the assaults on minors?

The simple explanation is that homosexuals give us a view of how human sexuality functions when it is disordered and does not have the God-given virtue of complementarity, with the male moderating the actions of the female and the female moderating the actions of the male.

In extremis, we would expect the male without the moderating influence of attraction to females to become wildly promiscuous, and this is what we see in male homosexual relationships - they have a far higher number of sexual partners over their lifetimes, which is why HIV/AIDS had such a horrible impact on the male gay community and why the rate of overall STD transmission is much higher for male homosexuals.

When homosexual pederasts have an interest in minors, they have a much, much higher number of victims than heterosexual molesters. Their recidivism rate is also much higher and they are less amenable to therapy.

One could argue that these aren’t “true gays” doing this because gay people aren’t “pedophiles,” but that is just the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy in action. Whether you consider these molesters gay or not, they certainly do. 86% of convicted molesters involved in male against male offenses against a minor self-identify as gay or bisexual. (W. D. Erickson, “Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83.)

It’s hard to determine what percentage of the adult male homosexual population has an active interest in minors, and what percentage of those would be likely to act on those urges. One study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, “all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories,” which included males as young as age fifteen." (Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” p.73.) Given the research base showing a higher proportion of sexual interest and contact with children, and its celebration in much of gay literature as a “coming out” experience, prudence would dictate that homosexual men should not be in leadership positions within the Boy Scouts. If we weigh the risk of hurting the feelings and possible calumny against gay men who are interested in serving as an adult leader, but have no sexual interest in anyone under the age of 18, versus the catastrophic effects of a child in the scouts having sexual contact with an adult male, the choice should be obvious.

Excellent post. This is why the BSA will soon be going out of business, which suits the corporate interests who forced this change just fine.

 

[DrTaffy]

As several posters have claimed that “study after study” has shown that LGBTs are no more likely to abuse minors than heterosexuals, we should probably look at some stats.

The actual size of the population that identifies as LGBT in America is 3.4%, per Gallup. (gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx)

If the premise were true, we would expect that only 3.4% or less of the total number of sexual assaults on children were committed by molesters of the same sex as the victim. Even if we include the largest claimed percentage of individuals who have had sex with a member of the same sex at some point in their life (10%, per Kinsey), there should be no more than 10% homosexual molestations.

You assume that only homosexual men (men attracted to other adult men) molest boys. In reality, only a tiny fraction of boy molesters, at most equivalent to the average proportion of homosexuals in the general population, show any interest in other adult men.

You can, of course, simply define any man who molests a boy as ‘homosexual’ and produce convenient statistics. I may as well assume that all those catholic priests who molested children did so because of their Catholicism.

But yes. The truth is that study after study has shown that homosexuality (attraction to other adults of the same sex) has no correlation to child abuse. Homophobia, not so much.

And there is this strangely widespread desire to blindly blame homosexuals for such acts, as opposed to looking at the truth and protecting the children. Persecuting homosexuals is apparently more important than the welfare of children.

 

[Dawnia]

As several posters have claimed that “study after study” has shown that LGBTs are no more likely to abuse minors than heterosexuals, we should probably look at some stats.

The actual size of the population that identifies as LGBT in America is 3.4%, per Gallup. (gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx)

If the premise were true, we would expect that only 3.4% or less of the total number of sexual assaults on children were committed by molesters of the same sex as the victim. Even if we include the largest claimed percentage of individuals who have had sex with a member of the same sex at some point in their life (10%, per Kinsey), there should be no more than 10% homosexual molestations.

However, what we find instead is that approximately 1/3 of all child molestations are homosexual (the vast majority of them male offenders against male victims) - a number of assaults far out of proportion to homosexual representation in the population. (Kurt Freund, Robin Watson, and Douglas Rienzo, “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” The Journal of Sex Research 26, No. 1 (February, 1989): 107)

By no means are all homosexuals having sex acts with minors, but those that do are responsible for a significantly higher proportion of the assaults. This means that homosexuality represents a significant risk factor for those involved in youth-mentoring organizations.

Interviews with convicted pedophiles have determined that approximately 1/3 of them had a primary sexual interest in homosexual molestation - again, if the American population is only 3.4% LGBT, or at most 10%, why are they responsible for such a high proportion of the assaults on minors?

The simple explanation is that homosexuals give us a view of how human sexuality functions when it is disordered and does not have the God-given virtue of complementarity, with the male moderating the actions of the female and the female moderating the actions of the male.

In extremis, we would expect the male without the moderating influence of attraction to females to become wildly promiscuous, and this is what we see in male homosexual relationships - they have a far higher number of sexual partners over their lifetimes, which is why HIV/AIDS had such a horrible impact on the male gay community and why the rate of overall STD transmission is much higher for male homosexuals.

When homosexual pederasts have an interest in minors, they have a much, much higher number of victims than heterosexual molesters. Their recidivism rate is also much higher and they are less amenable to therapy.

One could argue that these aren’t “true gays” doing this because gay people aren’t “pedophiles,” but that is just the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy in action. Whether you consider these molesters gay or not, they certainly do. 86% of convicted molesters involved in male against male offenses against a minor self-identify as gay or bisexual. (W. D. Erickson, “Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83.)

It’s hard to determine what percentage of the adult male homosexual population has an active interest in minors, and what percentage of those would be likely to act on those urges. One study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, “all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories,” which included males as young as age fifteen." (Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” p.73.) Given the research base showing a higher proportion of sexual interest and contact with children, and its celebration in much of gay literature as a “coming out” experience, prudence would dictate that homosexual men should not be in leadership positions within the Boy Scouts. If we weigh the risk of hurting the feelings and possible calumny against gay men who are interested in serving as an adult leader, but have no sexual interest in anyone under the age of 18, versus the catastrophic effects of a child in the scouts having sexual contact with an adult male, the choice should be obvious.

I only want to point out a couple things. First, a higher number of victims doesn’t equate to a higher number of abusers.

How many victims does a child molester average?
Interviews guaranteeing complete confidentiality and immunity from prosecution, conducted by Emory University psychiatrist Dr. Gene Abel*, uncovered that:

Male offenders who abused girls had an average of 52 victims each.
Men who molested boys had an astonishing average of 150 victims each.

Secondly, the stats are seriously old. (Got anything fairly current?)

This is not to say I don’t agree with the conclusion. But the logic is off a bit and methods of study have likely improved since the 1980s.

 

[Dawnia]

You assume that only homosexual men (men attracted to other adult men) molest boys. In reality, only a tiny fraction of boy molesters, at most equivalent to the average proportion of homosexuals in the general population, show any interest in other adult men.

You can, of course, simply define any man who molests a boy as ‘homosexual’ and produce convenient statistics. I may as well assume that all those catholic priests who molested children did so because of their Catholicism.

But yes. The truth is that study after study has shown that homosexuality (attraction to other adults of the same sex) has no correlation to child abuse. Homophobia, not so much.

And there is this strangely widespread desire to blindly blame homosexuals for such acts, as opposed to looking at the truth and protecting the children. Persecuting homosexuals is apparently more important than the welfare of children.

He backed up his argument with citations. Where are yours?

 

[estesbob]

You assume that only homosexual men (men attracted to other adult men) molest boys. In reality, only a tiny fraction of boy molesters, at most equivalent to the average proportion of homosexuals in the general population, show any interest in other adult men.

You can, of course, simply define any man who molests a boy as ‘homosexual’ and produce convenient statistics. I may as well assume that all those catholic priests who molested children did so because of their Catholicism.

But yes. The truth is that study after study has shown that homosexuality (attraction to other adults of the same sex) has no correlation to child abuse. Homophobia, not so much.

And there is this strangely widespread desire to blindly blame homosexuals for such acts, as opposed to looking at the truth and protecting the children. Persecuting homosexuals is apparently more important than the welfare of children.

A man molesting a boy is a homosexual act. As I predicted we have now descended into "The no true Scotsmen " defense

 

[DrTaffy]

He backed up his argument with citations. Where are yours?

I gave a logical argument. The fact that a man rapes a boy does not in any way prove that he is attracted to adult men.

A trivial Google search would prove to you that most rapes of boys are carried out by men with no sign of attraction to other adult men - either ones in heterosexual relationships (often family members) or with no attraction to adults whatsoever, the ‘fixated’ paedophiles.

But since you want citations:
Freund et al. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and erotic age preference. Journal of Sex Research, 26, 107-117.
Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3), 175-181.

Groth, A. N., & Gary, T. S. (1982). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and pedophilia: Sexual offenses against children and adult sexual orientation. In A.M. Scacco (Ed.), Male rape: A casebook of sexual aggressions (pp. 143-152). New York: AMS Press.

Groth, A.N., Hobson, W.F., & Gary, T.S. (1982). The child molester: Clinical observations. Journal of Social Work and Human Sexuality, 1 (1/2), 129-144.

Jenny et al. (1994). Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94, 41-44.

Marshall et al. (1988). Sexual offenders against male children: Sexual preference. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 26, 383-391.

 

[Mulligan2]

A man molesting a boy is a homosexual act. As I predicted we have now descended into "The no true Scotsmen "

By your reasoning, a man molesting a young girl, or a woman molesting a young boy, would be a heterosexual act.

The overwhelming majority of the population can properly distinguish the vast difference between molestation of children (which is abhorrent), and the private behavior of consenting adults.

 

[DrTaffy]

A man molesting a boy is a homosexual act.

The act be, but that does not make the man gay. If I go to a Catholic service, does that make me a catholic? (I am not baptised catholic)

As I predicted we have now descended into "The no true Scotsmen " defense

In other words, you knew that your argument was flawed when you posted that. You have not challenged the validity of my point that most child molesters are either not interested in other adults or are only interested in adults of the opposite sex, and that openly gay adults are no more likely to offend than heterosexual ones.

 

[estesbob]

By your reasoning, a man molesting a young girl, or a woman molesting a young boy, would be a heterosexual act.

The overwhelming majority of the population can properly distinguish the vast difference between molestation of children (which is abhorrent), and the private behavior of consenting adults.

What you’re saying is "very few true homosexuals " molest boys ?

 

[gracepoole]

One could argue that these aren’t “true gays” doing this because gay people aren’t “pedophiles,” but that is just the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy in action. Whether you consider these molesters gay or not, they certainly do. 86% of convicted molesters involved in male against male offenses against a minor self-identify as gay or bisexual. (W. D. Erickson, “Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83.)

This study is fraught with problems. It doesn’t explain how it determined the sexual orientation of men nor does it provide background data. It’s definitely unwise, to say the least, to use Erickson as support for any claim, let alone the one made here.