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josie_L
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If she’s trying to prove a point, then why is that a problem?
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josie_L
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Which is why Dr. Reisman is speaking out, moreover, why is the Kinsey Institute keen on shutting up Dr. Reisman (whenever she appears on media), yet has never sued for libel, i.e., what are they hiding and why can’t her “false allegations” be put to rest? I don’t see what Dr. Reisman will gain in attacking Kinsey if her assertions weren’t warranted?
Mmmm, there’s a lot more than their biases that differentiate them, and I think you already know that.
And that just proves how necessary it is for Dr. Reisman to speak out, i.e., she has done the necessary work to back up her assertions.
Really:
So, are we going to lie to ourselves that Kinsey’s tactics were scientifically sound (and moral)?
Moreover, not everyone is keen on his methods, as you would know if you bothered to delve deeper:
drjudithreisman.com/archives/2011/06/comments.html
Well, maybe, if Dr. Reisman was able to talk freely (without being persecuted/attacked), we’d know a lot more.
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Arizona_Mike
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Catholic Fargo Diocese churches instructed to continue banning gay Boy Scout leaders
By Anne Millerbernd Today at 12:15 a.m.
Fargo Diocese Bishop John Folda thanked the Boy Scouts of America’s Executive Board in a statement Wednesday for stipulating in their Monday vote to lift a ban on gay leaders that faith-based organizations can continue to select leaders based on religious principles.
olda directed leaders of the 13 Catholic-chartered troops within the Fargo Diocese to “continue to act in accordance with the Church’s teaching and select volunteers based on character and conduct consistent with those teachings.”
A spokeswoman for the diocese declined to specify whether Folda meant those organizations would allow gay leaders.
Folda praised the national organization for respecting and recognizing “the Constitutional right to religious freedom afforded to our parishes and other Catholic entities.”
Some Lutheran and Methodist churches in the Fargo area have said their relationship with the Boy Scout troops they sponsor are unchanged by the decision, adding that they would not select leaders based on their sexual orientation.
The Northern Lights Council oversees Boy Scout troops in North Dakota, northwestern Minnesota and some areas of Montana and South Dakota.
The council’s Executive Director Roger Hoyt said he has gotten calls from charter organizations looking to clarify the new policy, but none have indicated they would pull their sponsorship.
He said he plans to set up meetings with sponsors to discuss concerns and next steps.
inforum.com/news/3809853-catholic-fargo-diocese-churches-instructed-continue-banning-gay-boy-scout-leaders
By Anne Millerbernd Today at 12:15 a.m.
Fargo Diocese Bishop John Folda thanked the Boy Scouts of America’s Executive Board in a statement Wednesday for stipulating in their Monday vote to lift a ban on gay leaders that faith-based organizations can continue to select leaders based on religious principles.
olda directed leaders of the 13 Catholic-chartered troops within the Fargo Diocese to “continue to act in accordance with the Church’s teaching and select volunteers based on character and conduct consistent with those teachings.”
A spokeswoman for the diocese declined to specify whether Folda meant those organizations would allow gay leaders.
Folda praised the national organization for respecting and recognizing “the Constitutional right to religious freedom afforded to our parishes and other Catholic entities.”
Some Lutheran and Methodist churches in the Fargo area have said their relationship with the Boy Scout troops they sponsor are unchanged by the decision, adding that they would not select leaders based on their sexual orientation.
The Northern Lights Council oversees Boy Scout troops in North Dakota, northwestern Minnesota and some areas of Montana and South Dakota.
The council’s Executive Director Roger Hoyt said he has gotten calls from charter organizations looking to clarify the new policy, but none have indicated they would pull their sponsorship.
He said he plans to set up meetings with sponsors to discuss concerns and next steps.
inforum.com/news/3809853-catholic-fargo-diocese-churches-instructed-continue-banning-gay-boy-scout-leaders
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Arizona_Mike
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Interesting survey of LDS “political insiders” on what they think the result of the new policy will be for LDS units:
*"Our “Political Insiders” think the church will eventually end their alliance with the Boy Scouts and form their own organization for boys.
“Fully 71% of the Republicans on our panel and 62% of the Democrats think the Church will end their connection with the scouts. 76% of our readers think the same.”*
utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/insider-surveys/6530-utah-policy-ksl-insider-survey-the-lds-church-and-the-boy-scouts
In reading the comments on this and from articles in the Deseret News and other Utah papers, there seems to be a strong current of opinion within the LDS church that Mormon Boy Scout leaders have become too cozy with the scouts at the expense of loyalty to their church, and that too much funding has been sent to the BSA at the expense of other LDS programs.
An editorial in the Salt Lake Tribune suggests that if the LDS splits off to form its own youth organization, the BSA should still be able to rent space at the camps the 3 current councils control:
sltrib.com/opinion/2786236-155/editorial-if-lds-split-from-scouts
*"Our “Political Insiders” think the church will eventually end their alliance with the Boy Scouts and form their own organization for boys.
“Fully 71% of the Republicans on our panel and 62% of the Democrats think the Church will end their connection with the scouts. 76% of our readers think the same.”*
utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/insider-surveys/6530-utah-policy-ksl-insider-survey-the-lds-church-and-the-boy-scouts
In reading the comments on this and from articles in the Deseret News and other Utah papers, there seems to be a strong current of opinion within the LDS church that Mormon Boy Scout leaders have become too cozy with the scouts at the expense of loyalty to their church, and that too much funding has been sent to the BSA at the expense of other LDS programs.
An editorial in the Salt Lake Tribune suggests that if the LDS splits off to form its own youth organization, the BSA should still be able to rent space at the camps the 3 current councils control:
sltrib.com/opinion/2786236-155/editorial-if-lds-split-from-scouts
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dcs
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I wonder who thought up that headline given the actual content of the article.
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JimG
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The bishops of Fargo and of Bismarck made quite different statements about this.
Bishop Folda of Fargo:
Bishop Folda directed leaders of the 13 Catholic-chartered troops within the Fargo Diocese to “continue to act in accordance with the Church’s teaching and select volunteers based on character and conduct consistent with those teachings.” A spokeswoman for the diocese declined to specify whether Folda meant those organizations would allow gay leaders.
Bishop Kagan of Bismarck:
“Thus, effective immediately, the Catholic Church of the Diocese of Bismarck and each and every one of its parishes, schools and other institutions, is formally disaffiliated with and from the Boy Scouts of America. If your parish sponsors a troop, your priest has been asked to inform those persons associated with the BSA of this action and to inform the BSA itself of this decision. I regret my decision but, in conscience as the Chief Shepherd of the Diocese of Bismarck, I cannot permit our Catholic institutions to accept and participate directly or indirectly in any organization, which has policies and methods, which contradict the authoritative moral teachings of the Catholic Church.”
Bishop Folda of Fargo:
Bishop Folda directed leaders of the 13 Catholic-chartered troops within the Fargo Diocese to “continue to act in accordance with the Church’s teaching and select volunteers based on character and conduct consistent with those teachings.” A spokeswoman for the diocese declined to specify whether Folda meant those organizations would allow gay leaders.
Bishop Kagan of Bismarck:
“Thus, effective immediately, the Catholic Church of the Diocese of Bismarck and each and every one of its parishes, schools and other institutions, is formally disaffiliated with and from the Boy Scouts of America. If your parish sponsors a troop, your priest has been asked to inform those persons associated with the BSA of this action and to inform the BSA itself of this decision. I regret my decision but, in conscience as the Chief Shepherd of the Diocese of Bismarck, I cannot permit our Catholic institutions to accept and participate directly or indirectly in any organization, which has policies and methods, which contradict the authoritative moral teachings of the Catholic Church.”
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Arizona_Mike
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Meanwhile, one of President Obama’s Regional Field Directors for his elections is calling on Congress to revoke the BSA’s charter because he doesn’t like the religious exception for COs:
Robert Gates has apparently maneuvered the BSA into a circular firing squad where no one likes his actions.
americablog.com/2015/08/time-revoke-boy-scouts-congressional-charter.html
Robert Gates has apparently maneuvered the BSA into a circular firing squad where no one likes his actions.
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phil19034
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Good for the Bishop, shame on the BSA
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zz912
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Good for the bishop to protect his flock and proclaim the gospel! We need to show our support to him and encourage him for standing firm for the Church.
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CarolNoel
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Very wise Bishop and wise decision.
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edwest2
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I agree. I’m glad he named alternatives.
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Deus_tecum
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God bless him for his courage to speak truth. This should be a national Catholic policy!
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TCR74
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I have been looking in to joining the Church but being in a rural area and visiting the only local Catholic Church I had to pass. Everyone here is to liberal and openly support gay marriage and abortion. When I asked about it I was told social beliefs are based on the time and not the bible. I really think these people have been reading a different bible than the one I have. I know these views are wrong but they are starting to happen everywhere. The only way to stop it is to remove the priest who support it and allow it and to stop giving communion to those who openly deny the Church teachings. I feel the Church is more concerned about losing people these days than they are spreading the teachings of the good book. To many people, especially in leadership positions openly support abortion and gay marriage but the church fails to correct them or take steps to remove them from the Church. Like Nancy Pelosi and other politicians who claim to be Catholic. I Have faith in God but I have no Faith in the Church when it no longer enforces it’s own teachers because they are worried about being politically correct or worried about losing money because of losing members. I do not think God is happy with the Church at all at this time and while it may never be destroyed you can believe a large portion of the faithful are not going to make it to heaven.
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pnewton
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I just checked and it looks like we will continue scouting here. In a way, it is a better, because if they would have discontinued, we would have had to look for a troop in another church. That would have been a tough decision. At least now my son transfer into a Catholic troop.
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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/i...Flickr_CC_BY_NC_ND_20_CNA_7_29_15.jpgBismarck, N.D., Aug 6, 2015 / 05:10 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Bishop David Kagan of Bismarck, himself a former boy scout, has reluctantly told his North Dakota diocese to disaffiliate from the Boy Scouts of America due to the legal risks and the moral confusion its new leadership policy could cause for Catholics.
“I’m very disappointed with this whole turn of events. I just can’t express that adequately enough,” Bishop Kagan told CNA Aug. 6.
He said the Boy Scouts’ new policy risks lawsuits for church-sponsored troops that attempt to hold their leaders and volunteers to moral standards.
“I can’t say it’s a probability, but it’s a distinct possibility. It’s a reality we have to face,” he said.
Troops sponsored by a parish or a parish school would have to expect Catholic moral standards of leaders and volunteers. Those who disagree with those standards might object.
“Then we’ll be embroiled again in something else,” the bishop said.
“I had to ask myself ‘do I want to put our pastors, our parishes, our schools or diocese through something like that?’ I don’t think anyone wants that.”
In July the Boy Scouts of America announced that it would adopt a non-discrimination policy allowing homosexuals to be scout leaders and volunteers. While the latest decision promised that churches with objections to homosexual behavior could set their own standards for affiliated organizations, the future of the organization is not clear.
Bishop Kagan announced the disaffiliation in an Aug. 3 letter to the Catholics of the Diocese of Bismarck. He said that while the Boy Scouts of America appears to have a religious exemption that each local troop could invoke, in his view that will provide “no protection” for any of the diocese’s parishes and schools that sponsor troops.
He said the diocese, its parishes, schools and other institutions are now formally disaffiliated from the Boy Scouts of America.
“I regret my decision but, in conscience as the chief shepherd of the Diocese of Bismarck, I cannot permit our Catholic institutions to accept and participate directly or indirectly in any organization, which has policies and methods, which contradict the authoritative moral teachings of the Catholic Church.”
Bishop Kagan said he understood why the Boy Scouts of America made its decision.
“Knowing how our judicial system is tracking these days, the Boy Scouts of America would have no chance defending their legitimate protocols in a civil court,” he told CNA.
At the same time, he also lamented the goals of some who advocated the policy change.
“It’s about a particular ideological movement,” he said. In a certain sense, the bishop continued, this movement’s advocates “want to redefine what is acceptable and unacceptable in society, and impose their version of acceptability on the rest of society. That’s never worked.”
He said the Church is clear to distinguish sexual orientation from the immorality of acting on that orientation. However given national trends in the courts against religious liberty, it is not clear to him whether the Boy Scouts of America or outside groups will continue to respect that distinction.
He said the scouts’ new policy will “at the least cause more confusion among Catholic people,” and among non-Catholics who regard the Church highly.
From the Catholic perspective, “it places before the Church an unnecessary and an unwelcome and an unwanted problem.”
“I resent having to be put in this position, because I myself, as a young boy, was both a cub scout and a boy scout until I went to seminary. I found it to be very good and very useful.”
Bishop Robert Guglielmone of Charleston, a leading member of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting, had recommended “cautious optimism” towards the policy change.
However, Bishop Kagan said he started to be cautious about the future of the Boy Scouts after its leadership in 2013 decided to allow openly homosexual scout members.
Bishop Kagan could not find a reason for himself, personally, to be optimistic: “Realistically, looking to the future, what would give me reason to continue, to at least be guardedly optimistic? Personally, I couldn’t come up with something.”
The bishop emphasized that his decision did not say Catholic boys can’t be boy scouts, or that adults can’t continue to be scout leaders.
“Having been a scout myself, I think it’s very good to help young boys, young men, learn to socialize appropriately with others. You have some very devoted, very exemplary Catholic men as leaders who provide good role models. It makes a contribution.”
The legal implications of the policy have not been tested.
The Boy Scouts of America have said religious freedom protections will hold up in court for church-sponsored troops with moral objections to sexual immorality. That position drew criticism from Richard John Matthews, a former Boy Scouts of America general counsel who is now general counsel for a competing scouting group Trail Life USA. In a July 22 legal memorandum, he said the policy change creates “numerous legal ramifications” for both the national scouting organization and for religious organizations that charter local troops.
feeds.feedburner.com/~ff/catholicnewsagency/dailynews?d=yIl2AUoC8zA
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/iM_6i-zX418
Full article…
“I’m very disappointed with this whole turn of events. I just can’t express that adequately enough,” Bishop Kagan told CNA Aug. 6.
He said the Boy Scouts’ new policy risks lawsuits for church-sponsored troops that attempt to hold their leaders and volunteers to moral standards.
“I can’t say it’s a probability, but it’s a distinct possibility. It’s a reality we have to face,” he said.
Troops sponsored by a parish or a parish school would have to expect Catholic moral standards of leaders and volunteers. Those who disagree with those standards might object.
“Then we’ll be embroiled again in something else,” the bishop said.
“I had to ask myself ‘do I want to put our pastors, our parishes, our schools or diocese through something like that?’ I don’t think anyone wants that.”
In July the Boy Scouts of America announced that it would adopt a non-discrimination policy allowing homosexuals to be scout leaders and volunteers. While the latest decision promised that churches with objections to homosexual behavior could set their own standards for affiliated organizations, the future of the organization is not clear.
Bishop Kagan announced the disaffiliation in an Aug. 3 letter to the Catholics of the Diocese of Bismarck. He said that while the Boy Scouts of America appears to have a religious exemption that each local troop could invoke, in his view that will provide “no protection” for any of the diocese’s parishes and schools that sponsor troops.
He said the diocese, its parishes, schools and other institutions are now formally disaffiliated from the Boy Scouts of America.
“I regret my decision but, in conscience as the chief shepherd of the Diocese of Bismarck, I cannot permit our Catholic institutions to accept and participate directly or indirectly in any organization, which has policies and methods, which contradict the authoritative moral teachings of the Catholic Church.”
Bishop Kagan said he understood why the Boy Scouts of America made its decision.
“Knowing how our judicial system is tracking these days, the Boy Scouts of America would have no chance defending their legitimate protocols in a civil court,” he told CNA.
At the same time, he also lamented the goals of some who advocated the policy change.
“It’s about a particular ideological movement,” he said. In a certain sense, the bishop continued, this movement’s advocates “want to redefine what is acceptable and unacceptable in society, and impose their version of acceptability on the rest of society. That’s never worked.”
He said the Church is clear to distinguish sexual orientation from the immorality of acting on that orientation. However given national trends in the courts against religious liberty, it is not clear to him whether the Boy Scouts of America or outside groups will continue to respect that distinction.
He said the scouts’ new policy will “at the least cause more confusion among Catholic people,” and among non-Catholics who regard the Church highly.
From the Catholic perspective, “it places before the Church an unnecessary and an unwelcome and an unwanted problem.”
“I resent having to be put in this position, because I myself, as a young boy, was both a cub scout and a boy scout until I went to seminary. I found it to be very good and very useful.”
Bishop Robert Guglielmone of Charleston, a leading member of the National Catholic Committee on Scouting, had recommended “cautious optimism” towards the policy change.
However, Bishop Kagan said he started to be cautious about the future of the Boy Scouts after its leadership in 2013 decided to allow openly homosexual scout members.
Bishop Kagan could not find a reason for himself, personally, to be optimistic: “Realistically, looking to the future, what would give me reason to continue, to at least be guardedly optimistic? Personally, I couldn’t come up with something.”
The bishop emphasized that his decision did not say Catholic boys can’t be boy scouts, or that adults can’t continue to be scout leaders.
“Having been a scout myself, I think it’s very good to help young boys, young men, learn to socialize appropriately with others. You have some very devoted, very exemplary Catholic men as leaders who provide good role models. It makes a contribution.”
The legal implications of the policy have not been tested.
The Boy Scouts of America have said religious freedom protections will hold up in court for church-sponsored troops with moral objections to sexual immorality. That position drew criticism from Richard John Matthews, a former Boy Scouts of America general counsel who is now general counsel for a competing scouting group Trail Life USA. In a July 22 legal memorandum, he said the policy change creates “numerous legal ramifications” for both the national scouting organization and for religious organizations that charter local troops.
feeds.feedburner.com/~ff/catholicnewsagency/dailynews?d=yIl2AUoC8zA
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/iM_6i-zX418
Full article…
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gilliam
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Was there an announcement posted on the web by the diocese?
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pnewton
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No, so it may be something will be forthcoming. However, as this is the start of the new school year, I will take no answer as being that there is no change.
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