Boy Scouts - Gay acceptance

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I am not anything to do with the boy scouts and I don’t even live in America but I have heard something about this on the news, so forgive me if I speak out of turn, but…why all the fuss? Boy scouts are for children/teenagers who enjoy camping etc, Yes they have a Christian background, Yes they have active Christian involvement in things aswell as other more secular persuits, but why worry about weather they have Homosexual leaders, Yes according to Christian standards the practise of Homosexually is wrong but as long as the people who become leaders respect the foundation of the Boy Scouts, are good role models for the Children/teenagers and keep there relationships (if they choose to have them) private, why should they not be allowed to be leaders?

Homosexual people even in Christian environments have something to give and should be respected as Human beings, as long as they also respect where Christians and the organisation they work for is coming from and there beliefs I don’t see the problem.

Also there are many Homosexuals who are Celebate because of there own Christian beliefs, these people are just as much Christian as other Christians, so why should they be stopped from doing something that they could be very good at?

As for funding and sponsership, surely there supporting the organisation and it’s benefits to society and not the beliefs of the individual leaders?
 
buffalo said:
That is where the rubber meets the road and if you do you will be slapped down as an intolerant bigot.
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No one is ‘slapping’ someone down as an intolerant bigot. As Christians, we all know our own consciences and know we are accountable. We also know we cannot read the intent of another person’s heart.

The ‘reminder’ call for respect, compassion, and sensitivity, as taught by our Church, is not an opposing view to homosexuality, as is the Church’s view on homosexuality. It is simply something required of ALL Christians.

There are many of these ‘homosexual’ threads and much of the message appears similar to ‘despair.’ That’s the message conveyed when one see’s the ‘doom and gloom’ messages, which seems to say, ‘this is more powerful than, even, God.’
 
Miss_Primrose said:
I am not anything to do with the boy scouts and I don’t even live in America but I have heard something about this on the news, so forgive me if I speak out of turn, but…why all the fuss? Boy scouts are for children/teenagers who enjoy camping etc, Yes they have a Christian background, Yes they have active Christian involvement in things aswell as other more secular persuits, but why worry about weather they have Homosexual leaders, Yes according to Christian standards the practise of Homosexually is wrong but as long as the people who become leaders respect the foundation of the Boy Scouts, are good role models for the Children/teenagers and keep there relationships (if they choose to have them) private, why should they not be allowed to be leaders?

Homosexual people even in Christian environments have something to give and should be respected as Human beings, as long as they also respect where Christians and the organisation they work for is coming from and there beliefs I don’t see the problem.

Also there are many Homosexuals who are Celebate because of there own Christian beliefs, these people are just as much Christian as other Christians, so why should they be stopped from doing something that they could be very good at?

As for funding and sponsership, surely there supporting the organisation and it’s benefits to society and not the beliefs of the individual leaders?
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Yes and why shouldn’t a nice guy like Jerry Sandusky who obviously loves mentoring young people not be allowed to have boys stay overnight at his home?

Are you kidding? The problem with adding a sexual component to a fraternal organization is obvious. Sexuality has NOTHING TO DO WITH BOY SCOUTS. Sexuality, sexual practices, sexual orientation has NOTHING TO DO WITH BOY SCOUTS. The majority of boys in scouting are not even through puberty. They do not need the added dimension of wondering if their leader or the scout in the sleeping bag next to them is going to make a sexual advance.

Would you want adult males camping with young girls? Even if they are “Christian” and “celibate?” We have had problems with PRIESTS abusing youth for heaven’s sake. There is a predatory nature in some adults and they often manage to get themselves into situations where they have contact and in fact close relationships with young people…IN ORDER TO PREY UPON THEM. We see this with coaches, youth leaders of various organizations, sadly even in volunteers for youth centers and even worse in our state a state official who “fostered” young men only to abuse them, one to the point of suicide.

This is MADNESS

Lisa
 
CopticChristian said:
Personally, I have no idea how you came to think that, may I ask how it is you have always thought that?
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It’s just always been thought of that way in my age group from grade school until now (mid-3os). It not like the neckerchief, the sashes and the socks with tassels and the shorts that go down to the knees are doing them any favors. Seriously, the village people look less gay.
 
LaSainte said:
It’s just always been thought of that way in my age group from grade school until now (mid-3os). It not like the neckerchief, the sashes and the socks with tassels and the shorts that go down to the knees are doing them any favors. Seriously, the village people look less gay.
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This is interesting.

People look like this and they are that. Ok…

My Father wore the garb, I wore the garb, and many people in my parish wore the garb. There is a sense of innocence.

Things are things. There are people in the hood that wear neckerchief’s around their head and call them colors.

The shorts, the socks, have you seen baseball garb or Kilts…

I actually thought of getting some Kilts and wearing them for comfort…they are very expensive.

You may not realize that you are only showing your own personal prejudice.
 
Miss_Primrose said:
I am not anything to do with the boy scouts and I don’t even live in America but I have heard something about this on the news, so forgive me if I speak out of turn, but…why all the fuss? Boy scouts are for children/teenagers who enjoy camping etc, Yes they have a Christian background, Yes they have active Christian involvement in things aswell as other more secular persuits, but why worry about weather they have Homosexual leaders, Yes according to Christian standards the practise of Homosexually is wrong but as long as the people who become leaders respect the foundation of the Boy Scouts, are good role models for the Children/teenagers and keep there relationships (if they choose to have them) private, why should they not be allowed to be leaders?

Homosexual people even in Christian environments have something to give and should be respected as Human beings, as long as they also respect where Christians and the organisation they work for is coming from and there beliefs I don’t see the problem.

Also there are many Homosexuals who are Celebate because of there own Christian beliefs, these people are just as much Christian as other Christians, so why should they be stopped from doing something that they could be very good at?

As for funding and sponsership, surely there supporting the organisation and it’s benefits to society and not the beliefs of the individual leaders?
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I am not anything to do with the boy scouts and I don’t even live in America but I have heard something about this on the news, so forgive me if I speak out of turn, but…why all the fuss?
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Baden Powell in Britian founded an organization that the BSA used to model their organization. You may want to research the contribution of England into the BSA. I suggest that prior to suggesting “why all the fuss”…you read about the fuss prior to rendering what you believe to be advice.🙂

Do you swim when you do not know how deep the water is?

Do you travel somewhere without knowing how to get there?

Do you eat things in the forest without knowledge if they are poison?

Is your…:twocents: often thrown around without thinking where you are throwing it?

This is CAF…I see you are Anglican wanting to be Catholic…this is a site for explanation and defense of the Faith…so I may be of an aid to your quest, allow me to suggest a reformulation of your posting…

“I am Anglican, wanting to be Catholic, my initial thoughts are not clear as to what the problem is, prior to venturing into a discussion absent adequate information to be helpful, can someone explain to me why this is a problem prior to my suggesting I don’t see the problem…”
 
CopticChristian said:
This is interesting.

People look like this and they are that. Ok…

My Father wore the garb, I wore the garb, and many people in my parish wore the garb. There is a sense of innocence.

Things are things. There are people in the hood that wear neckerchief’s around their head and call them colors.

The shorts, the socks, have you seen baseball garb or Kilts…

I actually thought of getting some Kilts and wearing them for comfort…they are very expensive.

You may not realize that you are only showing your own personal prejudice.
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So if you saw a man in a dress, you would not assume that be was gay or a transvestite? You would just think “Well, that’s one way to go.” Clothing is a personal choice (unless you are homeless, in which case I guess you wear what you can get ahold of), so when people wear certain attire, they are intentionally communicating something about their preferences and personality to the world. We are SUPPOSED to make certain assumptions when we see certain clothing.

Not only is the attire for the scouts elaborate and a little bizarre, it is completely without function. Have you ever (other than a scouting trip) gone camping and thought “Now, where did I put the socks with the tassels?”, or “Darn it! My sash is in the laundry again!” They should be wearing Timberland boots with cargo pants and a tee shirt if they wanted to be sensible about it. And the more time passes, the more ridiculous the uniforms look.

I guarantee they would boost their membership a great deal by just changing the clothes. They should have a whole new look sponsored by Northface or something. That would actually make it something “cool” again.
 
buffalo said:
Here is a pastor writing in:

Letter: Nice to see Boy Scouts welcoming gay youth
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PCUSA, the church from which this letter emanates, is part of the Protestant controversy that has cause a split in Protestant thougth and in this circle those that disagree are with the PCA. Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Methodists are succumbing to popular opinion that the world accepts something therefore through voting they do as well. The PCUSA, I believe ordains women, has struggled with ordainging same sex couples in a relationship and now this. It is the tip of the iceberg that is being seen in other Protestant groups and more likely than not will end in…

Wrongly Dividing the Body of Christ…seen here…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=766675

There is now an Exodus in process of many that disagree with the BSA recent statement and plans…seen here…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=792707
**Exodus…Let My People Go…they are leaving
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Southern Baptist Convention and Assemblies of God Respond to Boy Scouts’ Decision; Predict Many Churches Will Stop Sponsoring Scout Troops**
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LaSainte said:
So if you saw a man in a dress, you would not assume that be was gay or a transvestite? You would just think “Well, that’s one way to go.” Clothing is a personal choice (unless you are homeless, in which case I guess you wear what you can get ahold of), so when people wear certain attire, they are intentionally communicating something about their preferences and personality to the world. We are SUPPOSED to make certain assumptions when we see certain clothing.

Not only is the attire for the scouts elaborate and a little bizarre, it is completely without function. Have you ever (other than a scouting trip) gone camping and thought “Now, where did I put the socks with the tassels?”, or “Darn it! My sash is in the laundry again!” They should be wearing Timberland boots with cargo pants and a tee shirt if they wanted to be sensible about it. And the more time passes, the more ridiculous the uniforms look.

I guarantee they would boost their membership a great deal by just changing the clothes. They should have a whole new look sponsored by Northface or something. That would actually make it something “cool” again.
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LaSainte,

You have now generalized your notions to someone wearing a dress. I find your understanding unusual. You have expressed thoughts in the past about NFP you don’t agree with, your distrust of Church teaching, drinking, and a myriad of thoughts that suggest other than a solid understanding of some issues. Here you have steadfastly promoted your point of view to a generalization of a man wearing a dress.

As a former Naval Officer, the garb was not exactly utilitarian. The cover/hat, the epaulettes, the belt, the shoes…were all a little over the top. The English Bobby, the garb that the British wear at the Castle, and who knows what else are not utilitarian.

You make assumptions based on your own prejudice, understanding and education. It is not universal.

What does a man wearing a dress have to do with a cap, as the military uses, a kerchief, a shirt, shorts, socks and an intent to aid in the process of boyhood?

Help me understand what it is you are trying to say.
 
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What we have in the OP is a letter writer at odds with Church teaching.
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Agreed. It is written by a pastor at a PCUSA church. The PCUSA is at odds with the PCA and at odds with Church teaching.
 
Ridgerunner said:
One could wonder about the scandal aspect of welcoming expressions of one’s homosexuality in a group of young people. Possibly this pastor will consider that at some point.

Regardless, I suspect we’ll be seeing a big falling-off of membership in the scouts soon, as was the case in Canada when they did the same thing there.
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It is happening right now. The Assembly of God and Baptists have made formal statements.
 
Ridgerunner said:
While I could be wrong, I think the scouts are finished. I think the membership drop in Canada was 50% immediately after their scouts did this. In the U.S., one would expect a greater drop since Canada has had homosexual promotion longer than we have. On the other hand, it might simply turn into an all-gay organization without much loss in membership overall.
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The Exodus is in progress as we speak…
 
CopticChristian said:
The Exodus is in progress as we speak…
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Parents will have the final say, not those who want to reenginer the human experience to fit there own sexual preferences. I agree with your statement it has begun and I think lot of people are not unhappy about the Boy Scouts going out of existence. There motto itself made them a target for every atheist, secular, social engineer extremist in this country. It won’t end here, by caving in the Boy Scouts gave into there own demise.
 
twoshoes said:
Parents will have the final say, not those who want to reenginer the human experience to fit there own sexual preferences. I agree with your statement it has begun and I think lot of people are not unhappy about the Boy Scouts going out of existence. There motto itself made them a target for every atheist, secular, social engineer extremist in this country. It won’t end here, by caving in the Boy Scouts gave into there own demise.
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Parents get their guidance from whom?
 
CopticChristian said:
LaSainte,

You have now generalized your notions to someone wearing a dress. I find your understanding unusual. You have expressed thoughts in the past about NFP you don’t agree with, your distrust of Church teaching, drinking, and a myriad of thoughts that suggest other than a solid understanding of some issues. Here you have steadfastly promoted your point of view to a generalization of a man wearing a dress.

As a former Naval Officer, the garb was not exactly utilitarian. The cover/hat, the epaulettes, the belt, the shoes…were all a little over the top. The English Bobby, the garb that the British wear at the Castle, and who knows what else are not utilitarian.

You make assumptions based on your own prejudice, understanding and education. It is not universal.

What does a man wearing a dress have to do with a cap, as the military uses, a kerchief, a shirt, shorts, socks and an intent to aid in the process of boyhood?

Help me understand what it is you are trying to say.
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I’m not quite sure what any of this has to do with NFP, which I have accepted and now actually agree with in many ways.

But regarding the English bobby and the Naval uniform…shouldn’t these uniforms be updated a TAD? I understand the concept of uniforms. My brother is in the Army. But they should convey a purpose and fulfill that purpose. Of course, dress uniforms should be formal and show the decorations that each individual has received, but to dress a boy in “fancy” attire like kerchiefs and knee socks and sashes and send him into the woods to learn to start fires is a little bit ridiculous.

Take the Swiss Guard. The story is that the Pope told Michelangelo to design them, forced him to do so. So Michelangelo, with his wicked sense of humor, decided to make the most ridiculous outfit that he could design, as a protest. And they are STILL using this design. It was INTENDED to be a joke! How he must be laughing in Heaven to this day.

These positions are intended in some way to command respect and to convey authority. Why make them ridiculous? Why not make them more utilitarian?

Who wants to join the Boy Scouts if the uniforms are ridiculous? The uniforms alone drive people off.

Why don’t all armys just dress like the guys in 300? Because the way you dress matters.
 
National scout leadership is to blame, for caving in to pressure from the homosexualists.
 
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