Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

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hadulzo said:
I have been watching this discussion and EVERYONE is failing to touch on the key point. The Boy Scouts is a unique organization. Though adults are called leaders, they are really only there in an advisory capacity and to drive the van. The boys are the leaders. As parents how to you feel having a17 year old openly gay boy being your 10 1/2 year old son’s roll model and leader. That is what it comes down to.
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Well, your first post is a 👍, that’s a very good point.
 
ringil said:
The majority of Americans in the South opposed the integration of public schools so the Supreme Court did the right thing and stood up for morality.

Sometimes the majority is wrong.
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Ahhh, what an original insight! First, slavery, Then, segregation. Now, the ban on gay scouts. The march continues.
 
Thanks 40 years of Scouting has given me some knowledge on the subject.
 
Will gay scouts all be in the same tent? And, what reason is there not to integrate the girl and boy scouts?
 
I also think, yes, you can say this is so 16 and 17 year olds don’t get kicked out but I think it might get a bit out of whack and you are bound to have an 11 year old saying they are gay and that’s also a negative as far as other implications.
 
StJudeprayforme said:
The question isn’t really relevant since girls are already allowed in a Boy Scout program: Venturing.

If you are interested to see how it works you can Google it.
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They are relevant questions. Put faith and moral issues aside. Should girls and boys share tents and scouting on a fulltime basis?
 
John_Savage said:
Will gay scouts all be in the same tent? And, what reason is there not to integrate the girl and boy scouts?
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  1. There is a commonsense solution here: just don’t let two gay scouts sleep in the same tent. Problem solved.
  2. As already mentioned there is an integrated program: Venturing.
 
hadulzo said:
I have been watching this discussion and EVERYONE is failing to touch on the key point. The Boy Scouts is a unique organization. Though adults are called leaders, they are really only there in an advisory capacity and to drive the van. The boys are the leaders. As parents how to you feel having a17 year old openly gay boy being your 10 1/2 year old son’s roll model and leader. That is what it comes down to.
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If he’s 17 years old, has been through the scouting program, has made it a point to help others, do well in school, and try to build a good future for himself I would be honored for him to be a role model and leader for my son.

🤷 I was exposed to gay people as a kid, and so was my brother. The people in our lives were very good to us and helped us grow.
 
BroomWagon said:
I have heard spokespeople for the LGBT community with that same pitch as the Oral Roberts grandson articles actually for anyone who read that link. It is a compelling argument.
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What?
BroomWagon said:
I also think, yes, you can say this is so 16 and 17 year olds don’t get kicked out but I think it might get a bit out of whack and you are bound to have an 11 year old saying they are gay and that’s also a negative as far as other implications.
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What?

It’s hard to follow you sometimes…
 
StJudeprayforme said:
  1. There is a commonsense solution here: just don’t let two gay scouts sleep in the same tent. Problem solved.
  2. As already mentioned there is an integrated program: Venturing.
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Your common sense solution will not happen. Gays and straights are not going to want to be tracked, and even if they were, that just becomes an issue where a person’s orientation would be used to separate kids into different classes, which is exactly opposite of what gays want.
 
StJudeprayforme said:
Boy Scouts has a program for this. It is called Venturing. I do not believe co-ed tents are allowed.

The solution is a fairly simple one: don’t put two boys who are both gay in the same tent. Problem solved.
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How about one gay and one straight? Would that not be the same as putting a straight boy and a lesbian girl in the same tent?

Would doing that be a Catholic thing to do?
 
markomalley said:
And this, primarily, is my concern with the Boy Scout decision: I’m not concerned that one 12 year old is going to be a predator with an 8 year old. Please.

I am concerned that they will be required to positively reinforce homosexuality as being morally good and desirable.
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You’ve hit the nail on the head. This decision does not really seem like a bad one to me since we are talking about boys who are not sexually active. There is nothing wrong in the wording of the resolution that the Boy Scouts of America made. However, we have already seen the vast media reporting that they now allowing “openly gay” youth to join. The Boy Scouts of America will have to be strong in resisting any and all attempts, and wording such as that of media reports, to positively reinforce homosexuality as being morally good.
 
irishpatrick said:
Please, if you are going to respond, at least answer the question. Should girls be in tents with boys (it really is a yes or no answer)? Why yes or why no?
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I already answered. It is not allowed. The reasons are fairly commonsensical: you don’t want teens having sex on a camping trip that is supervised by a group of adults.
 
StJudeprayforme said:
Homophobia can also mean antipathy towards homosexuals, and like xenophobia has come to mean bigotry directed towards a given group. Words don’t have to mean what their constituant parts mean. English is a living language. It evolves.

I maintain that your comment about the BSA turning into a drag show was homophobic, meaning bigoted, because it is an unfair stereotype of an entire class of people. Unjust discrimination is to be avoid and we are to treat people with respect and compassion. That is what the Catechism says, at least.
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You just keep enjoyin’ that Kool-Aid. (Side effects include making up definitions for words, and occasional baa-ing.)
Again, this policy change will mainly affect high school aged boys. By this time, they already probably have some idea of what is going on with their sexuality. I don’t think they are sexualizing our youth anymore than previously existed. Fun fact: sixteen-year-olds have already hit puberty.
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Ah, well hey! That just means that the BSA now doesn’t give a flyin’ flip what parents may or may not want their kids exposed to; in this case, hormone-driven teenagers with same-sex attraction.

Like I say: Glorified drag show. I’m sure that the BSA will crumble in time, now, and simply be a warning to those in the future; I bet they’ll look fabulous the whole time, too. :rolleyes:
 
BlueEyedLady said:
If he’s 17 years old, has been through the scouting program, has made it a point to help others, do well in school, and try to build a good future for himself I would be honored for him to be a role model and leader for my son.

🤷 I was exposed to gay people as a kid, and so was my brother. The people in our lives were very good to us and helped us grow.
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You make homosexuals sound like a disease. :eek:
 
zab said:
You’ve hit the nail on the head. This decision does not really seem like a bad one to me since we are talking about boys who are not sexually active. There is nothing wrong in the wording of the resolution that the Boy Scouts of America made. However, we have already seen the vast media reporting that they now allowing “openly gay” youth to join. The Boy Scouts of America will have to be strong in resisting any and all attempts, and wording such as that of media reports, to positively reinforce homosexuality as being morally good.
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Since the Boy Scouts are largely decentralized anyway, I don’t think this will be much of an issue. The religious organizations that the local troops are chartered to will ensure that the organization follows the regulations of the religious organization. If they don’t, they won’t renew the charter. In some of the mainline Protestant groups, you will have the issue that you fear, but this isn’t really an issue with the BSA so much as it is with the mainline Protestant groups.
 
hadulzo said:
I have been watching this discussion and EVERYONE is failing to touch on the key point. The Boy Scouts is a unique organization. Though adults are called leaders, they are really only there in an advisory capacity and to drive the van. The boys are the leaders. As parents how to you feel having a17 year old openly gay boy being your 10 1/2 year old son’s roll model and leader. That is what it comes down to.
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The National Catholic Committee on Scouting made a curious remark that speaks to your point when they gave their first official response to the new change policy proposal. They said that Catholic troops reserve the right to remove homosexuals from leadership positions. Since the policy towards adults is not changing, then “leadership positions” seems to be exactly what you are talking about. This could lead to conflict with BSA National Council if they do not permit Catholic scoutmasters to use their judgement in these matters.
 
Lochias said:
You just keep enjoyin’ that Kool-Aid. (Side effects include making up definitions for words, and occasional baa-ing.)
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Here is the wiki article on semantic change. Living languages are always evolving and words are not defined by their constituent parts:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change
Ah, well hey! That just means that the BSA now doesn’t give a flyin’ flip what parents may or may not want their kids exposed to; in this case, hormone-driven teenagers with same-sex attraction.
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Like I say: Glorified drag show. I’m sure that the BSA will crumble in time, now, and simply be a warning to those in the future; I bet they’ll look fabulous the whole time, too. :rolleyes:
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Like I said, this language is stereotypical, uncharitable, and bigoted. Please consider if this is really what the Church calls for when she asks us to treat people with homosexual tendencies with respect and compassion while avoiding unjust discrimination.
 
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