Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

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I don’t see how allowing gay kids in a club is normalizing the attraction and activity. I didn’t know the Chruch’s stance on the whole gay issue until going through RCIA this past year. I have to tell you, it is much easier to be a gay Catholic than being a gay protestant. Most gay kids don’t know that all they have to do is be chaste. I was taught growing up that gay people go to hell. Period. I’m sure most protestant kids who are faced with this burden are told the same thing. I would love to welcome innocent gay kids into my home and let them know that just because he thinks Billy is attractive, he isn’t going to hell. Allowing these types of children into a seemingly normal group may give your kids or yourself the opportunity to help these kids. Instead of running away from the issue.
Could you be more specific about who is running away? No one here will be involved in any national decision making. No one here will decide for the Church. This issue would not be an issue except advocates of homosexual behavior made it one.

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the Mormons have no say in the Catholic Church,so why even mention,and where did the C.C. condone this.
On the contrary, there is a connection between Roman Catholic bishops and Mormon bishops. During the Prop 8 campaign in California, Catholics funneled $ to the Mormon Church to pay for anti-gay efforts. It is interesting who Catholics will associate with when it comes to bigotry. Very sad. 😦
 
On the contrary, there is a connection between Roman Catholic bishops and Mormon bishops. During the Prop 8 campaign in California, Catholics funneled $ to the Mormon Church to pay for anti-gay efforts. It is interesting who Catholics will associate with when it comes to bigotry. Very sad. 😦
Standing for moral truth is not bigotry. In fact, calling evil good is bigotry.
 
MILWAUKEE – Deidri Hernandez’s seven-year-old son won’t be in school tomorrow, after officials at Tippecanoe School for the Arts and Humanities confirmed they’re still holding “Switch It Up Day” – a time for students to come dressed as members of the opposite sex.
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** Hernandez tells EAGnews the day was originally billed as “Gender Bender Day,” but Tippecanoe officials made the name change after she called Principal Jeffrey Krupar to complain.**
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 The Milwaukee mother was not impressed.
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 “I didn’t have a problem with the title. I had a problem with the activity taking place,” Hernandez says.
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 She says it’s “ridiculous” and “creepy” to ask elementary boys to come to school dressed as girls, and vice versa, and predicts that having students dress as “transvestites” will distract from the learning process.
This deserves its own thread but not sure if there is a proper link.

These are the kinds of things that have happened already.
 
I don’t know why the morals clause shouldn’t include all sinners, not just gay-style sinning. if we’re to enforce Purity of Thought everywhere, we should start here. if we’re to exclude any chaste gay kid who has not acted out, we must exclude any scout who’s had a beer, stolen a pack of cigs, talked back to Mom, opened a Playboy… given 'em the boot. one bad apple will bring the Downfall of the republic.
An often trotted out, and often-failed argument. The key is the word “openly”, and the fact that as Catholics (which is all we should care about, frankly, since we are the ones who are right), the comparison of stealing beer and being an open homosexual is not even close to be adequate.

The fact that we are discussing this open sexuality of any kind for boys who should frankly not be identified with any sexuality, and should be identified as good, principled young men shows the Scouts have already missed the entire point.
 
Standing for moral truth is not bigotry. In fact, calling evil good is bigotry.
Oh, so an innocent boy who loves scouting happens to be gay by no fault of his own is evil? Shameful.
 
Isn’t it possible that some, or most, boys become boy scouts because they want to share (non-sexual) activities with other boys, and not to cause trouble? Why assume that sexuality is the driving motive for becoming a boy scout if one is gay? And why define boys only according to their sexual orientation?
It wasn’t up to individual boys who wanted to join the scouts.

"The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force applauded Spielberg for his resignation.

“We’d like to thank Steven Spielberg for recognizing the bigotry that the Boy Scouts’ policy has been perpetuating,” said Elizabeth Toledo, the NGLTF executive director. “This issue won’t go away for the Boy Scouts. Through actions like these, they will be forced to revisit [their policies].”

“they will be forced”

Peace,
Ed
 
Here is the wiki article on semantic change. Living languages are always evolving and words are not defined by their constituent parts:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change
When that change is motivated by an agenda to force others to view the world as you do, I reject it. Utterly. “Taco” does not mean “hamburger” just because one group of people wants it to.
Like I said, this language is stereotypical, uncharitable, and bigoted. Please consider if this is really what the Church calls for when she asks us to treat people with homosexual tendencies with respect and compassion while avoiding unjust discrimination.
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On the contrary, there is a connection between Roman Catholic bishops and Mormon bishops. During the Prop 8 campaign in California, Catholics funneled $ to the Mormon Church to pay for anti-gay efforts. It is interesting who Catholics will associate with when it comes to bigotry. Very sad. 😦
I would not call Prop. 8 bigotry, though I will give you that Catholic bishops sometimes associate with people I would rather them not when it comes to marriage fights.

The Catholic Church is one of the few Christian groups I have come in contact with that is able to oppose homosexual marriage while remaining loving towards the individuals who have homosexual attractions. I would rather them not associate with people who honestly say vile things about homosexual persons. That being said, I don’t think you can call them bigots because of this. They are just doing what they think their job requires.
 
I’m very confidant that Mike Rowe’s shirt was not about “sexualizing the young.” He was the host/creator of the show Dirty Jobs, which is about jobs that are messy/dirty/disgusting - not sexually dirty.
I bought a red-dirt short sleeve shirt like that in Hawaii. The red clay came off and stained (temporarily) my skin. I was disgusted until I realized that it complemented my farmer’s tan quite nicely, giving me a tan that I could bring to the beach … as long as I wore long pants. 😃
 
I don’t see how allowing gay kids in a club is normalizing the attraction and activity. I didn’t know the Chruch’s stance on the whole gay issue until going through RCIA this past year. I have to tell you, it is much easier to be a gay Catholic than being a gay protestant. Most gay kids don’t know that all they have to do is be chaste. I was taught growing up that gay people go to hell. Period. I’m sure most protestant kids who are faced with this burden are told the same thing. I would love to welcome innocent gay kids into my home and let them know that just because he thinks Billy is attractive, he isn’t going to hell. Allowing these types of children into a seemingly normal group may give your kids or yourself the opportunity to help these kids. Instead of running away from the issue.
Do you honestly think the Scouts (who are obviously already too cowardly to stand up to being bullied) are going to allow Christina or Catholic scouts to minsiter to gay scouts in an attempt to teach them the truth about homosexuality? Seriously, you think that’s going to be tolerated?

And even if it was, I’d rather my boys being learning about how a granny knot itsn’t a knot, not paying to have them fight spiritual battles.

The bizarro world some people create when they justify mistakes like this decision is amazing.
 
Placing the title in bold isn’t any more convincing.

"Further, officials at several nationally based gay groups said they are unfamiliar with the rights platform mentioned and that, despite the charges of critics, no one in the established gay community has ever called for the legalization of sex with children.

‘To use something that some fringe political extremists in 1972 may have thought was an agenda item and compare it to today is completely misleading,’ said Robert Bray of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force in Washington. ‘That issue has never been discussed by anyone in the gay movement.’"

Notice this article was published back in 1989, so it’s baffling that this is still an issue.
articles.latimes.com/1989-11-03/local/me-324_1_human-rights-ordinance
Their denial is satisfying?

You have heard of NAMBLA?
 
If you have a problem with a post, you should report it. I would hope to avoid uncivil behavior.
The first post of yours that I quoted was a response to me. I couldn’t make heads or tales of it. You said it’s a “compelling argument” but I couldn’t figure out what argument you were talking about.
 
People who reject this change in the Boy Scouts’ policy are basing it on their mistaken notion that gay sexual orientation immediately translates to gay sexual behavior, and further, gay sexual abuse which gay boys will likely inflict on straight boys. It’s as though the mere presence of gay boy scouts will somehow contaminate the rest of the troop. Their judgment is based on fear of what they think will probably happen. They evidently have an underlying prejudice (pre-judgment) toward people who have same-sex attraction, whether or not they want to admit it. The other fear these people have is that this is really all part of a conspiratorial gay agenda, which consists of normalizing same-sex attraction by teaching straight boys there is nothing wrong with it. Where does it all end? We know that fear is a powerful motivator, as are ignorance and hatred.
Then why ask it or announce it at all?
 
There’s no way on God’s green Earth I’m about to read through 16 pages of a thread, so hopefully I’m not wasting anyone’s time by posting something that has already been pointed out:

In other words: I think us Culture Warriors are getting our knickers in a knot here. It’s not like the BSA is going to start having scouts read inappropriate literature, or in any way condone any kind of sex. This is simply a matter of allowing same-sex attracted boys to be scouts.

This is a very good thing. This is about making sure those with same sex attraction aren’t suffering from unjust discrimination…

… you know just like the Catechism of the Catholic Church says.
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How do you know that? Right now, today, little kids in public schools are given story books designed to normalize homosexual behavior. Who put them there? Nobody? Don’t boy scouts go to school?

Peace,
Ed
 
I would not call Prop. 8 bigotry, though I will give you that Catholic bishops sometimes associate with people I would rather them not when it comes to marriage fights.

The Catholic Church is one of the few Christian groups I have come in contact with that is able to oppose homosexual marriage while remaining loving towards the individuals who have homosexual attractions. I would rather them not associate with people who honestly say vile things about homosexual persons. That being said, I don’t think you can call them bigots because of this. They are just doing what they think their job requires.
Like the Orthodox priests in Russian leading a mob to hurt gay rights participants? The sight of such hatred is beyond any understanding of those who profess to follow Christ.

rt.com/news/anti-gay-clashes-tbilisi-421/
 
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