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AgnosTheist
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any muslim who takes his spiritual life seriously.
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peacelight
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Amen to that. My own sister convert to Muslim due to marriage. Both her and her husband wanted to convert to Christianity but it is a big risk. I told her couple of month ago - no matter what happen in the future never never let Jesus Christ out of your life, that is what I told her of course she told me that Jesus was very well known in the Muslim community it is just they don’t believe that He is the Son of God doesn’t believe that He truly nailed to the Cross and die for our sins. They are very moderate muslim remember now Muslim have many sect. too so my sister and her husband under very moderate. Many muslim are not practising muslim. The problem with them is that they are so afraid to speak up because they were brought up not to questions anything when come to their faith. How could they know the truth if they cannot questions that is whay happen to many of former muslim that convert. Got persecuted just because they want to know the truth and want to follow the truth. There is only one true either Christianity is wrong or Islam is wrong. Christianity has long history, tradition, facts - 2000 years old compare than any other religion in the world. You decide and I know which one I go for. I go for the one that has been known for 2000 years. I can only wish and pray that my sister would come home one day.I didn’t read all the posts, but this made me think of something funny.
When my little sister, Emily, was around age 2, my 2 other sisters and I were being homeschooled and studying ancient Egypt. Well, my sister Lauren took it into her head to teach Emily a whole slew of things it went like this:
What is your name?
Hatshepsut
How many brothers do you have?
Two
How many sisters do you have?
Three
What is your mama’s name?
Ann
What is your daddy’s name?
John
When is your birthday?
February 13, 2002
And the questioning went on for at least 3 minutes. But the amazing thing to the rest of us was how she convinced my little sister that her name was Hatshepsut even though she had been called Emily since she was born. When strangers asked her her name, she would say Hatshepsut! This tells you how easy it is to convince a child of that age of anything.
Well, if you are convincing a child of that age that the Jews and Christians are evil, well, that is ingrained in that child’s head. What is even worse, is that this little girl’s parents thought to teach her that stuff. I mean it isn’t just a little girl saying that the Jews and Christians are bad, it is a little girl repeating her parents words that the Jews and Christians are bad.
In answer to the question about what Catholic parents teach their children about Muslims. Well, until 9-11, none of the kids in my family had even heard of a Muslim, but now then my parents told us that the Muslims were good people, but that there were people who split and started their own version of Islam (much the way the SSPX split from the Church (we know allot about the SSPX because my mom’s family is in it)) but that the new Muslim group was violent and thought that every non-Muslim should convert or die. My parents told us to pray for them, and they also told us that they sure hope we don’t have to die as martyrs, because the Muslims were moving West, and converting many.
I don’t think this is Muslim hatred, just simple truth.
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peacelight
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From my experience in having muslim friends when I was back in my Country, I notice that the Muslim Women tend to be devout - in a good way. Leaning towards good will. I guess because they are more towards taking care of the whole family - look after the Children etc where men though many that I know of - they are pretty nice and good man and when we all gather muslim and non muslim issue of religion never mention because from the early age our parents never mention about the different between the two religion and I can only assume the same with them too so it never bothers us. Mind our own business kinda thing. And that was back in the 80s and 90s not sure about after 9/11. Things probably change. Sometime we have to look at people as people not their religion because you just never know. Sure there are bad apples in every religion. September 11 truly shows the human heart that had been consume by hatred and use the name of religion to justifiy their act. There is no doubt there is a violence teaching in the Quran and these people that commited such act they already consume by hatred first before the Quran. And I think Muslim people need to study this much much closer. It is hard for people to understand when some part of the Quran teaching about goodness and the other part wasn’t.
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IvanKaramozov
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“suggest”
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Righteousone
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I don’t need to read the book, I WATCH THE NEWS. They are killing in some countries, beheading Christians because they are Christian.
Killing priests in Turkey for nothing. Killing priests in Iraq, Phillipines etc…WHY WOULD I READ A BOOK THAT IS SENT FROM SATAN??
Don’t need to sugar coat my hatred for Islam and that’s that.
There is a holy war going on right now, a fight to the death with Christianity and Islam. But we will prevail in the end b/c Jesus said so and I trust in him.
I would warn my children again and again. Except my children are grown and form their own opinions and they aren’t good ones. THERE IS NO GOOD TO COME OUT OF ISLAM PERIOD.
A Muslim shot my beloved pope one day AND THAT DID IT FOR ME. I hope one day that Islam falls off the face of the map and never to return.
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IvanKaramozov
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Alright, in Nazi Germans Christians killed Jews for being Jews, therefore, by your process, I should assume Christianity is a satanic, wicked religion that encourages it’s members to kill Jews, no need to read their religious text r study their tradition, I see it on tv!
BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT TEACH THAT IT IS FROM SATAN AND AFFIRMS THAT MUSLIMS WORSHIP THE SAME GOD AS CHRISTIANS???
I don’t mean to be rude, but the thought that a serious part of the right thinks like you scares the hell out of me.
Look mam, I don’t think you’re a bad persone, but you need to do some reflecting
the great Pope John Paul II forgave the man, asked for him to be released from prison, has met with Muslim leaders, and kissed the Koran, perhapse you should follow your and my beloved pontiff’s example?
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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I’m a little confused. 
Have any muslims on these forums condemned the video?
Have any muslims on these forums condemned the video?
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DJgang
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Why is a 2 year old wearing Hijab?
I thought Hijab was for modesty purposes, a personal decision and to help keep the men from sinning.
I thought Hijab was for modesty purposes, a personal decision and to help keep the men from sinning.
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IvanKaramozov
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It’s generally worn with the onset of puberty
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imasinner
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And our Pope forgave his would be assassinator. Let’s remember his example here and not answer hatred with hatred. I do not trust the Quran simply because common sense alone tells me it is NOT from Allah. It is from the deluded mind of a murdering psychotic pedophile Mohammad…read the Quran and ahadith as the proof is within is pages so that you can educate your children to denounce this false religion. We must pray for our Muslim brothers and sisters who believe in the one true God that they may come to know the true power of peace and grace of the Word Incarnate whom they reject. He is risen and He will come again.
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dolphinlove
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Mohammed was engaged to Aisha at 6 years of age and consummated the marriage at 9… need i say more…
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IvanKaramozov
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Yes, you could, for one, say how the hell that’s relevent to the purpose of wearing the Hijab
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IvanKaramozov
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How can you ever start a diolegue with Muslims if you have nothing but utter contempt for their beliefs?
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imasinner
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I am not going to downplay the truth…what good would that do in bringing people out of bondage? You claim you are Catholic (?) yet at every turn you defend Islam…what’s up with that? Muslims are decieved by a false prophet. saying Mohammad is not a murdering psychotic pedophile is not the best way to convince a Muslim Islam is a false religion, I agree, but it is the truth… “And the truth will set you free”. Can you deny this? Can you yourself claim Mohammad as a true prophet of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Teaching a baby hatred of Jews and Christians is pretty revealing of Quranic “truth”. The Quran has 99 names for God, one of which is The Deceiver. God does not lie, He is Truth. Mohammad is the deceiver. Takiyya is from Mohammad not from God. Mohammad’s message is one of HATE, hate for anything that goes against what he believes and OBEDIENCE to Allah THROUGH MOHAMMAD. To defend Islam is to defend a false prophet. My trust is in Jesus for He is “the Way, the Truth and the Life”. He is risen. And if you believe that than you should have no doubt that Mohammad is a false prophet.
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imasinner
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I think it is relevant in that many Muslims seem bent on training their young girls to be married at such young ages. Hijab is worn by consent is it not like marriage should be by consent also? If marriage is permissible for a 6yr old then it would seem childhood ends at 5.
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Sister_Amy
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I don’t think the girl is being indoctrinated, nor do I think she is being taught hate.
She is asked two questions, “Who are struck by Allah’s Wrath?” and “Who are the misguided?”
This is, as far as I can tell, the only mention of Christians OR Jews in the entire clip. Correct me if I am wrong.
Now, Muslims pray 5 times a day, a total of 17 cycles (rakaat), each cycle involves repetition of the first chapter of the Qur’an, called Al-Fatihah.
The last verse or two verses read as follows:
Guide us (O Allah) to the Straight Path; the path of those on whom you have bestowed your grace, not of those who earned your wrath, nor of those who went astray.
There is a very common interpretation of this last sentence, that those who earned the wrath of Allah are the Jews, and that those who went astray were the Christians.
You can read it in a popular book of tafsir/exegesis, I’ll even quote you the link. You can read it for yourself if you doubt me. All it (the interpretation, which is not limited to any group of people btw) is saying is that the Jews and the Christians are not on the right path of God.
Muslims believe that Jews have abandoned the commandments which God has instructed for them. All Jews? No, not all Jews. But this description is of a people who have God’s Scripture with them, but who do not implement its laws. Notice that there are only a minority of Jews today who observe traditional Judaism (e.g., those who call themselves “orthodox”)
And Muslims believe that Christians have lost the true knowledge, the essence of the message which was taught to them. Muslims believe that the message was really tawheed, and that because Christians believe Jesus is God/SonofGod, that they are misguided.
Frankly, I don’t think this is hatred at all. The interpretation does not suggest hatred of Jews or Christians, it doesn’t recommend any action against Jews or Christians, except for guidance away from their path.
This is a way of saying do not follow the way of the Jews, or the way of the Christians. Because although Muslims believe that these people were given guidance they have abandoned the guidance or strayed from it.
It’s not hatred at all. And frankly, I would be astonished if Catholicism teaches anything different. I would be astonished of Jews really taught anything different.
Do you believe that Muslims are on the right path, or that they are misguided? Do you believe that Jews are on the right path, or that they are misguided? Don’t you believe that they should convert to Christianity instead, in order to achieve grace?
Muslims don’t teach their children that Christians or Jews are guided correctly, just like I’m sure you don’t teach your children that Muslims are guided correctly.
It’s not hatred.
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Sister_Amy
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As far as I know, hijab is not mandatory for girls under the age of puberty.
But people have little girl hijabs for a couple reasons.
But people have little girl hijabs for a couple reasons.
- The girls want to look like mommy. They put all sorts of stuff on their head (underwear, pillow cases, etc) to make themselves look like their moms.
- It looks cute.
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Valke2
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I just looked up the 99 names (again). Didn’t see deceiver as one of them. Personally, I think the practice of dwelling on the 99 names of God is beautiful.
Here’s the link I used: artislamic.com/esma/01.html
It may also be prudent to review the following verses before casting stones at Islam for believing God is a “Deceiver”
Jermiah 4:10: Then I said, “Lord, how completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ when the sword is at our throats.”
1 Kings 22:20-22: And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
"One suggested this, and another that. Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
" ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said. " ‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
You can also read Isaiah 36:6-7
Isaiah 19:14
John 16:25
Mark 4:10-12
2 Thessalonias 2:11
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imasinner
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In that day, says the LORD, The king will lose heart, and the princes; the priests will be amazed, and the prophets stunned. “Alas! Lord GOD,” they will say, "You only deceived us When you said: Peace shall be yours; for the sword touches our very soul (Jeremiah 4:9-10)
There is a mistranslation in your version “Then I said” should read “they will say”…God is saying people will say “God deceived us”. God is not saying He is the deceiver.
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Valke2
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Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord’s own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)
surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10,
surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10,
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