BREAKING: Cardinal Burke calls for Consecration of Russia to Immaculate Heart of Mary

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If he felt this was a helpful thing for the Pope to do at this time, couldn’t that be communicated by private email to the Pope?

Is there anything in the Fatima revelations supporting mobilizing laity to petition the Pope demanding some action?

Is there anything said or written by St. JP II that the consecration was incomplete? Who would know better than him, keeping in mind he reigned for 2 decades afterwards.

The person now, who is in the best position to evaluate the status of response to any private revelation, is Pope Francis. No “expert” is above him.
 
I never quite understood the idea of the “consecration of Russia.” What does that mean? What do the Orthodox think of the idea? Wouldn’t the idea that the Roman Catholic Church sees to their spiritual well-being be something of an affront to the Orthodox?

And why Russia? It’s a temporal power. It’s a political entity. It’s borders drawn on a map, just like all the other countries in the world. Russia at the time of the revelations was a very different place from what it is today.

Sorry. I just don’t believe in it.
 
The way I heard it St Lucia was satisfied with Saint John Paul II’s consecration of the world. And I agree that Russia is probably doing ok thank you under the care of Mary et al. through the Orthodox Church. But I saw a good comment - would the Catholic Church care if the Orthodox Church consecrated the West to Mary? Is it an insult? It’s just kind of weird I think. That said, I am completely with Cardinal Burke in theory - can’t hurt, can’t get much worse. Go for it I say. Might want to include the RCC too while they are at it.
 
St. John Paul II already did this. I do not know if Cardinal Burke think the consecration made by this great saint was not good enough, or if it needs to happen again, or what, as all I have is a news article from a dubious and unreliable source. Even the quote from which the title is taken is an incomplete sentence devoid of context.

I am kind of the opinion that when it comes to Fatima some people lose their perspective, and for some, nothing will ever be good enough or quite what the Church needs. Acknowledging anything of this sort would undermine their feelings of being special. Fatima mysteries have become a type of modern Catholic Gnosticism.
 
pnewton said:
I am kind of the opinion that when it comes to Fatima some people lose their perspective, and for some, nothing will ever be good enough or quite what the Church needs. Acknowledging anything of this sort would undermine their feelings of being special. Fatima mysteries have become a type of modern Catholic Gnosticism.
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I think that conspiracy theories in general are kind of Gnosticism.
 
I’m skeptical of anything on Lifesite News. It’s not the most reliable source.

Is there any other Catholic news outlet reporting this like EWTN or CNA?
 
I have mixed feelings about Fatima. I confess to not really knowing anything about it until the last few years, so I am not a devotee. But I also pick up on the Fatima resistance/dismissal vibe too. I am not really in either camp. I lean toward the believers pretty heavily. And I think the 3rd vision or mystery or whatever is about the fall of the Church in some fashion - it is Mary’s seeds’ to save. Russia as a threat I think has been surmounted, speaking historically, and in terms of Christianity. The enemy is within.
 
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Is there anything said or written by St. JP II that the consecration was incomplete? Who would know better than him, keeping in mind he reigned for 2 decades afterwards.
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It’s my understanding that Russia was consecrated to the Immaculate heart of Mary by St Pope John Paul II, but it was late.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecration_of_Russia
Pope John Paul II on 25 March 1984 consecrated Russia and the world in a public ceremony at St. Peter’s in Rome; the consecration was in the form of a ‘whole-world consecration’ that included the participation of the Catholic bishops throughout the world. Cardinal Bertone said to the press many times that the message of Fátima was finished. Cardinal Bertone reported that Lúcia dos Santos had said that the consecration requested by the Virgin Mary had been fulfilled and accepted in Heaven, and that everyone should live out the consecration personally by faithfully wearing the brown scapular.
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on_the_hill said:
I never quite understood the idea of the “consecration of Russia.” What does that mean? What do the Orthodox think of the idea? Wouldn’t the idea that the Roman Catholic Church sees to their spiritual well-being be something of an affront to the Orthodox?

And why Russia? It’s a temporal power. It’s a political entity. It’s borders drawn on a map, just like all the other countries in the world. Russia at the time of the revelations was a very different place from what it is today.

Sorry. I just don’t believe in it.
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When these were written, there was no way of knowing that Russia and the USA after World War II would be the main super powers with Nuclear weapons. It is only through the fall of Communism with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 that something much worse did not ensue, like Nuclear war.

Russia is now very orthodox, whilst there may be problems (like any Country), I believe there is a massive difference.

Unfortunately due to the late consecration, the errors of communism did spread and are still around today in places like North Korea and China.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

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Josh
 
The Blessed Mother’s specific request was that the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the World would consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the same time. This is what Cardinal Burke want’s to see done. No controversy or conspiracies involved.
 
Seamus_L said:
The Blessed Mother’s specific request was that the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the World would consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the same time. This is what Cardinal Burke want’s to see done. No controversy or conspiracies involved.
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It was done by St Pope John Paul II. Unfortunately it was late though, and the errors of communism spread e.g. North Korea and China.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
josh987654321 said:
It was done by St Pope John Paul II. Unfortunately it was late though, and the errors of communism spread e.g. North Korea and China.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
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I trust the Church on this, that it was ‘sufficient’ for the requirements requested at Fatima when Pope St. John Paul II did a consecration in 1982 and 1984. However. it is certainly not impugning him, or disrespectful, to ask for a consecration of Russia, and the world, at this time. It’s not as if we don’t really ‘need’ to offer this (or anything else) with the idea that it’s already ‘been done’. Seriously. Are we never to ask for consecration of the world to Mary’s Immaculate Heart ever again? Have there been instances throughout history when nations were consecrated to God through Our Lady and then later, by the same Popes even, a repeat consecration was done? Yes, there have been. Why should this be different?
 
Seamus_L said:
The Blessed Mother’s specific request was that the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the World would consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the same time. This is what Cardinal Burke want’s to see done. No controversy or conspiracies involved.
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No problem, then. It was done on 3/24/1984. St. John Paul said that is what he did. This was accepted by Sister Lucia.

Here is a timeline from EWTN

ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm

I think the biggest evidence of this consecration was that the great error of communism and its active spreading of this area ceased, giving a time of peace from Russia.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
I trust the Church on this, that it was ‘sufficient’ for the requirements requested at Fatima when Pope St. John Paul II did a consecration in 1982 and 1984. However. it is certainly not impugning him, or disrespectful, to ask for a consecration of Russia, and the world, at this time. It’s not as if we don’t really ‘need’ to offer this (or anything else) with the idea that it’s already ‘been done’. Seriously. Are we never to ask for consecration of the world to Mary’s Immaculate Heart ever again? Have there been instances throughout history when nations were consecrated to God through Our Lady and then later, by the same Popes even, a repeat consecration was done? Yes, there have been. Why should this be different?
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True, I wouldn’t push ‘consecration’ again though, since it lends to the idea that it hasn’t been done, which is incorrect, I would certainly encourage further prayers for Russia, The West and the rest of the world though.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
josh987654321 said:
Unfortunately due to the late consecration, the errors of communism did spread and are still around today in places like North Korea and China.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
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So…the consecration would have ended Communism in the Soviet Union?

I don’t buy it.
 
pnewton said:
No problem, then. It was done on 3/24/1984. St. John Paul said that is what he did. This was accepted by Sister Lucia.

Here is a timeline from EWTN

ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm

I think the biggest evidence of this consecration was that the great error of communism and its active spreading of this area ceased, giving a time of peace from Russia.
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But just because something is done once doesn’t mean it cannot be done again, And doing it again does not imply it wasn’t ‘done right the first time’. We have many examples from the 9th century onward where places, countries, and the world itself were consecrated to God (through the Blessed Virgin) and then at some point later, were consecrated again. I believe even in recent history that Pope Pius XII consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart in 1942, and then again in 1952.

So why all the fuss about asking for a consecration in 2017? It’s been 33 years since 1984, an entire ‘generation’ born since then, why not have a consecration?
 
Why not read what Cardinal Burke actually said before jumping to conclusions ?
“Certainly, Pope Saint John Paul II consecrated the world, including Russia, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984,” said Cardinal Burke. “But, today, once again, we hear the call of Our Lady of Fatima to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart, in accord with her explicit instruction.”
 
Seamus_L said:
“Certainly, Pope Saint John Paul II consecrated the world, including Russia, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984,” said Cardinal Burke. “But, today, once again, we hear the call of Our Lady of Fatima to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart, in accord with her explicit instruction.”
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I would call for the bolded part instead -

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecration_of_Russia
Pope John Paul II on 25 March 1984 consecrated Russia and the world in a public ceremony at St. Peter’s in Rome; the consecration was in the form of a ‘whole-world consecration’ that included the participation of the Catholic bishops throughout the world. Cardinal Bertone said to the press many times that the message of Fátima was finished. Cardinal Bertone reported that Lúcia dos Santos had said that the consecration requested by the Virgin Mary had been fulfilled and accepted in Heaven, and that everyone should live out the consecration personally by faithfully wearing the brown scapular.
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Got my Brown Scapular on 🙂

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
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