BREAKING: Cardinal Burke calls for Consecration of Russia to Immaculate Heart of Mary

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If he felt this was a helpful thing for the Pope to do at this time, couldn’t that be communicated by private email to the Pope?
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It seems to me that the Pope is not the audience he is trying to reach.
 
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"For those who may still object to calling for the consecration of Russia, Cardinal Burke recalled the words of Pope St. John Paul II who in 1982 during his consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart noted: “Mary’s appeal is not for just once. Her appeal must be taken up by generation after generation, in accordance with the ever new ‘signs of the times’. It must be unceasingly returned to. It must ever be taken up anew.”
 
pnewton said:
St. John Paul II already did this. I do not know if Cardinal Burke think the consecration made by this great saint was not good enough, or if it needs to happen again, or what, as all I have is a news article from a dubious and unreliable source. Even the quote from which the title is taken is an incomplete sentence devoid of context.

I am kind of the opinion that when it comes to Fatima some people lose their perspective, and for some, nothing will ever be good enough or quite what the Church needs. Acknowledging anything of this sort would undermine their feelings of being special. Fatima mysteries have become a type of modern Catholic Gnosticism.
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LifesiteNews is not a reliable news site and has articles slamming the pope, on occasion. I already mentioned this once to someone - might have been the same poster/OP - regarding the dubious content of the website.

In terms of Consecration to Russia, the Chief Exorcist who died, Fr. Amorth, was there when the consecration happened, and said it didn’t go according to plan. Then again, he promoted Medg…and that is proving to be highly unlikely.

St. Pope JPII did apparently do the consecration by letter, later, and apparently this was satisfactory. There is no doubt that Russia spread errors but it was maybe not as bad as it could have been. Though pretty bad. And still is.

If anyone would do this again to be sure it was completed, it would be Pope Francis; however, if it is said to be done, then maybe it is.

Maybe if people stopped worrying about whether these things were done and instead prayed the Rosary as if everything depended upon it - as taught in all authentic apparitions - then things would be much better everywhere.
 
I think Cardinal Burke knows more about this than anyone here, and Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Kazakhstan supports him in this endeavor.
 
Seamus_L said:
Why not read what Cardinal Burke actually said before jumping to conclusions ?
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                                   “Certainly, Pope Saint John Paul II consecrated the world, including Russia, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984,” said Cardinal Burke. “But, today, once again, we hear the call of Our Lady of Fatima to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart, in accord with her explicit instruction.”
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And when one parses the words “… in accord with her explicit instructions,” one comes up with the conclusion that the Cardinal is really saying “Pope St. John Paul II didn’t do it right.” And again, the Cardinal is trying his case in public, pressuring the Pope in public. I don’t think that’s appropriate.
 
Seamus_L said:
I think Cardinal Burke knows more about this than anyone here, and Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Kazakhstan supports him in this endeavor.
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Both really good Bishops, but if Sr Lucia said it was, then it was, and I believe it was simply because of the events that have taken place since then and how much Russia has changed.

If there are ‘signs of the times’ and prayers to be said, it’s for the United States, Australia, Middle East, China, Korea and much of Europe.

Not only that, but in the west, many of the same people who try to demonize Vladimir Putin and Russia, are often the same ones who advocate Abortion, Euthanasia and the LGBT agenda. Those are the signs of the times.

And yet the President of the US, Donald Trump, who with his Vice President Mike Pence, is opposing abortion, aiding religious liberty, appointing pro-life justices to the supreme court. And what are the charges they accuse him of? Being too close to Russia.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Many of us still pray for the conversion of Russia in the rosary. A great multitude of prayers have gone out for the conversion of Russia since our Lady appeared at Fatima. What Cardinal Burke wants to do would bring even more graces. We should all be encouraging things like this instead of being suspicious of his motives.
 
Seamus_L said:
Many of us still pray for the conversion of Russia in the rosary. A great multitude of prayers have gone out for the conversion of Russia since our Lady appeared at Fatima. What Cardinal Burke wants to do would bring even more graces. We should all be encouraging things like this instead of being suspicious of his motives.
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I agree, I’m not suspicious of his motives, I just think calling for the consecration of Russia again might be misleading for some. Calls for continued prayer is a good thing.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Seamus_L said:
Why not read what Cardinal Burke actually said before jumping to conclusions ?
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                                   “Certainly, Pope Saint John Paul II consecrated the world, including Russia, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984,” said Cardinal Burke. “But, today, once again, we hear the call of Our Lady of Fatima to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart, in accord with her explicit instruction.”
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I did. That doesn’t mean I get it. I mean, who is this “we” he speaks of? There is not any new revelation. Once again?

Then the question comes up, why Russia in particular? Our Lady of Fatima spoke to the children at the time of the rise of communism, the first country to bring that great error into the world. So now, what is the issue, since the consecration Mary actual asked for has happened, resulting in the fall of the Soviet Union.

Finally, I find the word “explicit” totally superfluous, unless the intent is to imply something that should not be implied.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
The way I heard it St Lucia was satisfied with Saint John Paul II’s consecration of the world. And I agree that Russia is probably doing ok thank you under the care of Mary et al. through the Orthodox Church.** But I saw a good comment - would the Catholic Church care if the Orthodox Church consecrated the West to Mary? ** Is it an insult? It’s just kind of weird I think. That said, I am completely with Cardinal Burke in theory - can’t hurt, can’t get much worse. Go for it I say. Might want to include the RCC too while they are at it.
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I think a mutual consecration East to West and West to East would be an excellent solution! Also, there are those who believe the errors of Russia that were spread were not communism, but what lies at the heart of communism. It’s what has infiltrated every institute of higher learning, including ‘Catholic’ universities. It is the theory that man evolved from lesser forms, not created by God as per the Biblical, Genesis account.
 
Perhaps Trump can use his clandestine contacts with the Russians to invite Francis to Moscow for this. 😛
pnewton said:
No problem, then. It was done on 3/24/1984. St. John Paul said that is what he did. This was accepted by Sister Lucia.
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Is it a co-incidence that Our Lady appeared at the time of the Russian revolution and Pope John Paul’s II consecration directly preceded the fall of that Empire through the internal self collapse of the anti-God socialist ideology?
 
Seamus_L said:
The Blessed Mother’s specific request was that the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the World would consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the same time. This is what Cardinal Burke want’s to see done. No controversy or conspiracies involved.
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This was already done in 1984. The Vatican said it was properly and completely accomplished. Now people are saying in effect that St. JP II, who reigned for 20 years afterwards, Pope Benedict, and now Pope Francis are negligent, as well as the bishops and their successors. The LifeSite petition is directed at (directed against) one man: Pope Francis.

Um, nothing controversial or conspiratorial alleged here?

The reality is that we are living in an anti-religious-authority climate. It used to be just the Left, but now there’s a whole media industry on the Right, challenging the pope and most bishops. They compete against each other for money and website hits. It used to be you
could raise funds by attacking a liberal parish or school, later you had to “expose” a diocese, now you have to hit the Vatican or else people ignore you.

Even if Cardinal Burke were elected pope, even if he required all the bishops of the world to come to St. Peter’s and say, explicitly, the same words of consecration, in 5 years there would be articles claiming that Russia was not **really **consecrated properly, because of ambiguous grammar in the wording. There would be pictures of some bishop crossing his fingers behind his back. “Sign our petition, demand the new pope put aside his questionable agenda, and **do it properly this time!”
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FollowChrist34 said:
I have mixed feelings about Fatima. I confess to not really knowing anything about it until the last few years, so I am not a devotee. But I also pick up on the Fatima resistance/dismissal vibe too. I am not really in either camp. I lean toward the believers pretty heavily. And I think the 3rd vision or mystery or whatever is about the fall of the Church in some fashion - it is Mary’s seeds’ to save. Russia as a threat I think has been surmounted, speaking historically, and in terms of Christianity. The enemy is within.
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I am a supporter of Fatima, was proud to spend May 13 at services at a Fatima shrine, where I visit often. The message of Fatima includes personal conversion and humility, which are unpopular now. But keep in mind Catholicism is based on Scripture, Sacred Tradition, as guided by the Magisterium. Fatima is private revelation. It is not on the same level as Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. Private revelations help provide encouragement, warmth, and joy, to personally live Christian life in obedience to Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium.

We should be guided by our current pope and the bishop of our own diocese to evaluate proper response to Fatima in 2017, rather than misusing Fatima to evaluate our pope and bishop.
 
commenter said:
This was already done in 1984. The Vatican said it was properly and completely accomplished. Now people are saying in effect that St. JP II, who reigned for 20 years afterwards, Pope Benedict, and now Pope Francis are negligent, as well as the bishops and their successors. The LifeSite petition is directed at (directed against) one man: Pope Francis.

Um, nothing controversial or conspiratorial alleged here?

The reality is that we are living in an anti-religious-authority climate. It used to be just the Left, but now there’s a whole media industry on the Right, challenging the pope and most bishops. They compete against each other for money and website hits. It used to be you
could raise funds by attacking a liberal parish or school, later you had to “expose” a diocese, now you have to hit the Vatican or else people ignore you.

Even if Cardinal Burke were elected pope, even if he required all the bishops of the world to come to St. Peter’s and say, explicitly, the same words of consecration, in 5 years there would be articles claiming that Russia was not **really **consecrated properly, because of ambiguous grammar in the wording. There would be pictures of some bishop crossing his fingers behind his back. “Sign our petition, demand the new pope put aside his questionable agenda, and **do it properly this time!”
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Should any of this really be a surprise? Its been a long time since ‘the smoke of satan’ has entered into the church after all, its only natural we would start seeing some evidence of that.
 
mikekle said:
Should any of this really be a surprise? Its been a long time since ‘the smoke of satan’ has entered into the church after all, its only natural we would start seeing some evidence of that.
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We can easily, sometimes accurately, notice the “smoke of Satan” in other people. It’s harder to notice this inclination in ourselves. If there are, perhaps, 100 million words written in English about private revelations, you can always find some “good” reason to disobey any pastor, any bishop, any pope.

Not that you or I of course would ever be tempted, but…
 
commenter said:
If he felt this was a helpful thing for the Pope to do at this time, couldn’t that be communicated by private email to the Pope?

Is there anything in the Fatima revelations supporting mobilizing laity to petition the Pope demanding some action?

Is there anything said or written by St. JP II that the consecration was incomplete? Who would know better than him, keeping in mind he reigned for 2 decades afterwards.

The person now, who is in the best position to evaluate the status of response to any private revelation, is Pope Francis. No “expert” is above him.
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I am
  1. A fan of Burke
  2. A fan of the pushing of the Dubia clarifications
  3. Confused by the current Pope
  4. A traditionalist
  5. A strong believer in the Fatima apparitions and miracles
  6. Confused as to why the consecration had to involve the world.
  7. A person who beliieves not only was it done, it was done several times, with the confirmation of one of the seers.
  8. Aware of the sensationalistic nature of the " third secret"
  9. Aware that some “extremists” think it was not accomplished.
    10 aware that multiple popes have affirmed it.
And I agree with you. This was not only not the proper way to express the view.
This will be taken and run with by the wrong people and it seems to further paint Burke as a leader of a fringe and opposed to the pope. Which I don’t think he is!
 
Cardinal Burke is in no way denying that Russia was consecrated in 1984. He just want’s to see a consecration of Russia carried out exactly as the Blessed Mother requested. Can anyone imagine what such a consecration would be like ? It would be like nothing before seen in the history of the World. Thousands of Bishops simultaneously consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. It would be an amazing Catholic witness to the entire World, and yet we have people who think it would be a bad thing and that it would secretly be an attempt to undermine Pope Francis.
 
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