Breaking: Papal Motu Proprio makes annulment process shorter and simpler by delegating decisions to bishops

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You mean like when Jesus said when a man and Woman are joined in Holy Matrimony that they could choose to canel it at anytime ???

Oh wait a minute, that is not how that goes!🤷
An annulment is the determination that the joining in holy matrimony never occurred.
 
I have no real issue with any of the changes proposed by our Pope to the process except I can’t help but wonder why there isn’t a parallel effort to also try and save marriages that are troubled… Seems all the effort is going to making those who chose to defy the Church, which, if they are Catholic, is really saying “God, your Grace can’t save this marriage so I am going to do the “Right Thing” for ME.” If Marriage is truly a Sacrament given by God to us and it includes special Graces to help the couple endure trials that come to all marriages isn’t the first “hospitalization” needed to make sure the Couple understands this teaching? It would be nice if the same focus was put on what Jesus actually said about Marriage that caused the Apostles to say it would have been better if we would have never married. Either Divorce is Grave Matter (remarriage ADDS to the Gravity, it does not create it according to the CCC) or it isn’t. CCC/CL also needs revision when it calls for reconciliation no matter what the reason when the danger has passed too. If divorce is fine let’s make our documents say that.

“the enormous number of faithful who…too often are diverted from juridical structures of the Church due to physical or moral distance,” the Pope said, adding that “charity and mercy” require the Church as mother to draw close to her children who consider themselves far off.

Statements that concern me: get the Juridical structures = change very good! MORAL??? It causes one to ask if the Catholic Church, while saying nothing has changed, is shifting its stand on the Moral issue of Divorce(You got a divorce, knew it was wrong, did it anyway, but that is not an issue anymore with us) the church accepting the individuals moral choice versus enforcing current teaching. That must call for a doctrine change. If you confess a sin (divorce can be a sin - Innocent party? ) but are not repentant (sorry is a feeling, repenting means changing your ways and repairing all damage. if the spouse wants to reconcile and you refuse this is not being satisfied.) If in the Act of Contrition you say you are truly sorry but feel the divorce was the best thing for you and you are glad you did it, then it is not valid and no sins are forgiven. Priest only can count on the fact that you are being truthful and confessing all sins. His words mean nothing if you are holding back or are not repenting of those sins confessed.

• Giving bishops the ability to fast-track and grant the annulments themselves in certain circumstances – for example, when spousal abuse or an extramarital affair has occurred.

OK, whoa? Both of the situations above are horrible and should not be tolarated but the Catechism is very clear on the procedures to follow in both cases. This is because they usually are not present at the time of Marriage and show up later. If they do show up later and were not present on the wedding day then it is a change in cause for a decree of nullity. Begs the question who determines abuse (easy wait a minute)? If one is battered and shows the bruises it is very clear. What about emotional and verbal abuse? The definitions very widely on these situations and often the words of a spouse is proof of abuse. The best selling book on verbal abuse lists very valid conditions which constitute verbal abuse. The problem comes with her further statements… “If HE makes you “feel” bad when he talks to you, you are abused. Only you know if you are abused…” Who makes this call if abuse is now a reason for a decree of nullity? local Bishop? - He is already included in Canon Law as a review now. We need to change it… If is is OK to divorce for adultery and abuse, no issue here. Don’t publish one thing for those who are faithful and then actually operate another way when someone doesn’t follow the rules. We also need to change what a decree of Nullity means too. Now it means there was never a marriage. If events that occur in the marriage, not prior to the marriage, are grounds then we need to revise it to say when the marriage ceased to exist.

“Indeed, because of this I wanted that in this process the judge would be composed of the bishop, so that the strength of his pastoral office is, with Peter, the best guarantee of Catholic unity in faith and discipline.”

This line contradicts an earlier statement that the Bishop must be involved. Clergy? My Pastor would annul anyone for any reason if the power was given to him. He refused to change the language of the Eucharistic prayers to “Many” even though that is what Jesus said. My pastor knew what God really meant.

I am a believer that anyone who looks at our church should be able to understand what we believe by looking at the Catechism, Canon Law, Tradition,The Bible, and what the Church Fathers were doing before any of these existed (order is random, no on rank). If we revise the acceptance of Divorce in the Church great. We better understand our faith with time. To not change the documents is to admit the Church is changing only for good PR and the people who think they are in good standing may not be. If though they go back to the Eucharist what does God say? Is itloving them. Divorce is either OK to God or not OK. Like Abortion… no conditions like Rape or incest can make it acceptable, Marriage either is forever or it isn’t. We just have to choose. Since those who divorce and remarry now can come back to the Sacraments if they live as brother and sister. To change the ability to receive needs to be accompanied by a change in doctrine. You can’t be forgiven of a sin you intend to continue sinning. We need to change teaching so those remarried and having sex are not sinning in the eyes God.
 
I have no real issue with any of the changes proposed by our Pope to the process except I can’t help but wonder why there isn’t a parallel effort to also try and save marriages that are troubled…
I think the greater effort is going to saving marriage. That’s what the bishops met about last October. It’s what Pope Francis is coming to visit the U.S. for. It’s what the synod of bishops next month is about.

But there are still a whole lot of people out there who have had very poor formation with regards to what marriage is and have lived their lives accordingly. When they come to learn the truth about marriage, we want to help them. To me, that’s what this reform is about. Of course it is not a cure-all. Much more needs to be done. But this is part of the solution.
 
If we could get establishment of more schools that can grant ecclesiastic law degrees that would help. 😉
Without question, now more than ever, canon law schools are going to have to do an exceptional job of forming ministers of justice. Otherwise, it seems the concern of Prof. Martens regarding “Catholic no-fault divorce” will be actualized.

washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/08/pope-francis-is-reforming-the-catholic-churchs-marriage-annulment-process/

Dan
 
I am pessimistic about the future of these reforms. If I understand the new rules correctly, pervasive abuses are almost a guarantee.

The purpose of annulment procedures is to allow faithful Catholics to get a sound judgment from the Church about the validity of their marriages. If Catholics cannot expect the Church to truly arrive at moral certainty that their marriages are invalid before declaring them so, then the annulment process is worthless. In fact, it’s worse than worthless, it’s actively harmful, because it misleads Catholics into contracting new “marriages” which are not actually marriages, but rather materially adulterous relationships with no attendant sacramental graces.

If the annulment process is not trustworthy, it doesn’t matter how streamlined it is, or how inexpensive it is, or how “merciful” it is, or how much people like it. It is useless.

So will faithful Catholics still be able to trust their local judges and bishops to genuinely reach moral certainty before declaring a marriage invalid? Frankly, no, I don’t think they will.

In the five cardinals book, Cardinal Burke explains at length how the lack of a double conforming sentence requirement prior to issuance of the 1983 Code of Canon Law led to ubiquitous abuses of the annulment process. Marriages were regularly declared null with almost no review or contestation, by judges and tribunals who saw their role as being “merciful” and giving people a second chance, not rendering an accurate judgment about the initial validity of the bond. It is from this period that annulments got their reputation as “Catholic divorces.” Luckily the 1983 Code of Canon Law fixed most of these abuses, specifically by reinstating the double conforming sentence.

But these new reforms eliminate the double conforming sentence. So juridically we are right back where we were in the 70s, when abuses of the annulment process were the norm.

That’s not all, though. Eliminating the double conforming sentence is only one of the lesser changes these new reforms implement. The biggest change is the introduction of a streamlined process intended to take less than two months. So which annulment cases get to make use of this streamlined process? Jimmy Akin has provided a translation of the requirements:
7) In what kind of situations can the new, shorter process be used?
According to the procedural norms attached to Mitis Iudex Dominus Iesus (see Art. 14 § 1), these cases include the following:
lack of faith resulting in the simulation of consent to be married or an error that determines the will regarding one of the requirements of marriage
the brevity of married life (i.e., the couple divorced very quickly after being married)
procured abortion to prevent procreation (presumably during the marriage itself, prior to bearing other children and thus showing an unwillingness to procreate)
the stubborn persistence in a extramarital affair at the time of the wedding or at a time immediately following
the malicious concealment of:
  • infertility
  • a serious contagious disease
  • children born from a previous relationship
  • an incarceration
    a reason for getting married that is completely foreign to married life (presumably something like entering a legal fiction of a marriage to be able to immigrate or gain an inheritance) or consisting of the unplanned pregnancy of the woman
    the physical violence inflicted to extort the consent to marry
    the lack of use of reason proved by medical documents
Now I have little knowledge of canon law, but that looks like an extremely broad list. Note especially “lack of faith resulting in… an error that determines the will regarding one of the requirements of marriage.” That sounds broad enough to be almost anything. So a huge number of annulment cases can be legally shunted to this streamlined process. Note also that it’s very common in annulment cases for important information to come to light only in the thick of the formal annulment process, information that presumably will never come to light in this streamlined process.

And all of that even assumes that dioceses and judges around the world will not stretch the rules for which cases can be decided using the streamlined process. But of course they will. Before 1983, most annulment cases were actually supposed to have that second appeal review, and dispensations from the review were supposed to be granted only in cases where nullity was extremely clear. But instead the appeal was dispensed with in virtually every case, and no request to dispense with the appeal was ever denied. The exact same thing is going to happens now, only not just with the double conforming sentence, but the whole formal annulment process.

The only check provided against this kind of abuse is the direct involvement of the local bishop. But this is hardly any check at all, as bishops are incredibly busy and will probably do little more than rubber stamp all these streamlined annulments.

Besides, can you imagine a Cardinal Marx, or Cardinal Danneels, or even the average bishop in the United States clamping down on overuse of the streamlined process? Of course not. Doing so would lead to serious bad press (how can they be so legalistic and unmerciful!?), and would almost certainly have little support from Rome.
 
So here are my dire predictions:
  • The mainstream media will report this change as some variation on “the Church gets laxer and more merciful when it comes to Catholic divorces,” further damaging the Church’s credibility on marriage in the United States. This is inevitable, and indeed has already happened.
  • In most dioceses in the world, virtually all annulments will be run through the streamlined process. No one will challenge this, and most bishops will be afraid to deviate from this new de facto norm. Any who do so deviate will be accused of being unmerciful and legalistic, and will be frowned upon by the bishops’ conference.
  • Indeed, many bishops and judges will be not-so-secretly be committed to the position that using the streamlined process is virtually all cases is simply merciful, and gives people who are hurting a second chance at love.
  • Rome will do little or nothing to fix any of this.
I hope I’m wrong.
 
I think the greater effort is going to saving marriage. That’s what the bishops met about last October. It’s what Pope Francis is coming to visit the U.S. for. It’s what the synod of bishops next month is about.

But there are still a whole lot of people out there who have had very poor formation with regards to what marriage is and have lived their lives accordingly. When they come to learn the truth about marriage, we want to help them. To me, that’s what this reform is about. Of course it is not a cure-all. Much more needs to be done. But this is part of the solution.
What? How does making declarations of nullity even easier save marriages? It certainly helps couples seeking to regularize irregular situations “get right” with the Church, but the shameful reality is that ordinary couples are not given the attention in a typical diocese that they need. Couples who bother living God’s plan forarriage should be the paradigm for the Church’s pastoral work, but I suspect that many feel sidelined instead.
 
Without question, now more than ever, canon law schools are going to have to do an exceptional job of forming ministers of justice. Otherwise, it seems the concern of Prof. Martens regarding “Catholic no-fault divorce” will be actualized.

washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/08/pope-francis-is-reforming-the-catholic-churchs-marriage-annulment-process/

Dan
If chanceries are forced to come up with the procedural costs themselves, I doubt that hiring new canon lawyers will be a high priority–although it absolutely should be. The U.S Church is in horrible financial shape and it is only getting worse.
 
I have no real issue with any of the changes proposed by our Pope to the process except I can’t help but wonder why there isn’t a parallel effort to also try

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We need to change teaching so those remarried and having sex are not sinning in the eyes God.
If a properly catechised individual understands the Catholic marriage is a sacrament and goes into a marriage with another who is also properly catechised, then both enter a marriage with the understanding of the magnitude of the sacrament and the Catholic Church’s perspective on marriage and divorce. However, if you set aside this specific condition, why are people expected to have retroactively Catholic teaching? I really struggle with the annulment process (not its purpose or necessity). My husband had to get an annulment before we were able to come fully into the church, take communion, and have our marriage convalidated. The process took two and a half years, cost hundreds of dollars, drudged up a painful situation, and was like a dark cloud followed us as we went to Mass weekly, not able to take communion, hungry and thirsty for a taste of the Lord that may have never been granted. There was incredible joy upon getting the annulment granted, for his was a very obvious case of nonmarriage, but after years of waiting, we weren’t sure was going to happen for us up until the time we received that blessed paper. (I believe our long period of waiting and yearning bore its own fruit and worked in both our individual hearts and our hearts for each other, but this is beside the point). The point that baffled us was why my husband was held to the standard of accountability regarding a time and situation when religion, and certainly not Catholicism, was even close to being on the radar. When my husband was first married at a very young age, marrying an atheist who hated children (as evidenced by eight years of attempting to make things work on one side and no children coming out of the ‘union’). And further, when I married my husband we were both evangelical and had no clue we ‘shouldn’t’ have married, let alone that we’d ever consider Catholicism. And this business with requiring witnesses, notifications, interviews, etc. was difficult and humiliating, especially being that none of them had much respect, let alone love, for the Catholic faith.

These are just my thoughts as I have read through others’ responses and is based on our singular experience. I love the Catholic Christian faith and accept her teachings, even as I struggle to understand and implement what I learn. But I do say, “I believe; help Thou mine unbelief”.

I believe the most important idea to come away with is that however the process or situation is resolved, our Pope has emphasized what Jesus Himself stated as our chief aim: to love God and love others. If this two-fold command is the lens through which we view all situations, then mercy and grace will be shown to all involved.
 
If a properly catechised individual understands the Catholic marriage is a sacrament and goes into a marriage with another who is also properly catechised, then both enter a marriage with the understanding of the magnitude of the sacrament and the Catholic Church’s perspective on marriage and divorce. However, if you set aside this specific condition, why are people expected to have retroactively Catholic teaching? I really struggle with the annulment process (not its purpose or necessity).
Your hitting an “ecumenical” problem here. I dunno why we do that, except that for some reason the Church likes to assume other denominations and such’s pronouncements are okay.

Not entirely sure why, since many Protestant groups and non-religious have such a screwed up, imho, view of marriage.

So, in my traddie mind, it would be easier if the Church said to other churches , “We don’t recognize any of your ‘sacraments’ or documents, up to and including baptism, because we don’t recognize you as part of the Church.” And just assumed any Protestant or whatnot that showed up at the door was starting at a clean slate. Because, really, why do we care if the Episcopalians married somebody? Their view of marriage is straight up wrong, after all.

Of course, this would take us back to the mean old days of “This true Catholic faith, without which no one can be saved”, which would tick off our Protestants cousins and ruin ecumenical efforts. But I still haven’t figured out why their opinion matters.

Naturally, in this situation, a marriage of atheists (or non-Christians) outside the church would also be totally ignored as if it didn’t happen.
 
While driving home, I heard the secular station news guy say that the Pope has made it easier for Catholics to end their marriages.

Dan
 
A marriage only ceases to exist when one spouse dies. Your example is exactly why delegating the decision to any priest is problematic. We end up with the same issues we had with birth control were the opinion of a single member of the clergy contradicts Church teaching. Don’t like your priest’s answer then shop around until you get an answer you agree with.
A marriage ceases to exist when its unlawful per scripture.

Unlawful can mean many things, but especially when one of the partners abandons the other and claims they no longer believe or they never did in the first place.

The marriage is no longer lawful nor valid. Don’t worry the Church does teach this yet, but she’ll catch up rather than go through the gymnastics she does to make it look as though the marriage never existed.

As far as pastors go, they’re directly involved with the lives of the individuals seeking an annulment and have a better handle on what has taken place than a tribunal which merely uses questionnaires of witnesses and the written testimony of the individual person seeking the annulment.

Pope Benedict XVI said that lack of faith could be grounds for an annulment.

Who knows better than if faith was lacking than the one’s who went through the marriage rite ?

Jim
 
My first post ever, this recent announcement lead me to creating an account as I have an interesting circumstance that I will be interested in how it is handled.
In February 2014 I was issued an affirmative decision in First Instance. To make a very long story very short, in July of 2015 I was issued a negative decision in Second Instance.
Now my question is, with my affirmed decision (in first instance) tucked neatly in my hip pocket, what are my chances of my marriage being declared invalid by the Roman Catholic Church based on these latest changes??
I can’t imagine a great deal of people are in my shoes, but obviously there has to be more than just I. And while I am hoping my annulment is a mere 90 days away I certainly am not counting on it.
(It would be greatly appreciated if the speculative answers stay on the topic of whether or not you believe my marriage will get stamped invalid.)
 
If a properly catechised individual understands the Catholic marriage is a sacrament and goes into a marriage with another who is also properly catechised, then both enter a marriage with the understanding of the magnitude of the sacrament and the Catholic Church’s perspective on marriage and divorce. However, if you set aside this specific condition, why are people expected to have retroactively Catholic teaching? I really struggle with the annulment process (not its purpose or necessity). My husband had to get an annulment before we were able to come fully into the church, take communion, and have our marriage convalidated. The process took two and a half years, cost hundreds of dollars, drudged up a painful situation, and was like a dark cloud followed us as we went to Mass weekly, not able to take communion, hungry and thirsty for a taste of the Lord that may have never been granted. There was incredible joy upon getting the annulment granted, for his was a very obvious case of nonmarriage, but after years of waiting, we weren’t sure was going to happen for us up until the time we received that blessed paper. (I believe our long period of waiting and yearning bore its own fruit and worked in both our individual hearts and our hearts for each other, but this is beside the point). The point that baffled us was why my husband was held to the standard of accountability regarding a time and situation when religion, and certainly not Catholicism, was even close to being on the radar. When my husband was first married at a very young age, marrying an atheist who hated children (as evidenced by eight years of attempting to make things work on one side and no children coming out of the ‘union’). And further, when I married my husband we were both evangelical and had no clue we ‘shouldn’t’ have married, let alone that we’d ever consider Catholicism. And this business with requiring witnesses, notifications, interviews, etc. was difficult and humiliating, especially being that none of them had much respect, let alone love, for the Catholic faith.

These are just my thoughts as I have read through others’ responses and is based on our singular experience. I love the Catholic Christian faith and accept her teachings, even as I struggle to understand and implement what I learn. But I do say, “I believe; help Thou mine unbelief”.

I believe the most important idea to come away with is that however the process or situation is resolved, our Pope has emphasized what Jesus Himself stated as our chief aim: to love God and love others. If this two-fold command is the lens through which we view all situations, then mercy and grace will be shown to all involved.
The reason that the witnesses and interviews are important is because a declaratiom of nullity is fundamentally about justice: does a marriage exist? It isn’t about making things easier to get married again or to receive Communion, even if those are very significant and very proximate consequences of nullity.
 
While driving home, I heard the secular station news guy say that the Pope has made it easier for Catholics to end their marriages.

Dan
I wonder how many Catholics already believe that annulments are basically Catholic divorces, anyway. It is so profoundly discouraging.
 
Fact is, a priest can be easily trained as the tribunal members are nothing other than trained diocesan priests. I knew one of the members he was my parish priest at one time. Wonderful priest and I’m sure he did as good of a job as possible.
Fact is that the training to be a canon lawyer took some 5 years, which few priests are willing to suffer after seminary. And wonderful priests do not necessarily make wonderful judges.

Pax Christi
 
Because the witness isn’t always providing good written accounts of what they saw.
That’s why the parties and the witnesses are invited to give testimony in person in the diocesan tribunal. This is the norm here and now.

Pax Christi
 
I have no real issue with any of the changes proposed by our Pope to the process except I can’t help but wonder why there isn’t a parallel effort to also try and save marriages that are troubled.
I agree. As it is, by requiring a civil divorce before even looking into the matter, the Church seems to be washing its hands and abandoning the couple to their own devices. It would be very helpful if the Church would look into the validity of a marriage even without a civil divorce. This is a reform of the process that would be truly novel and pastoral.

Pax Christi
 
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