BREAKING: Pope Francis gives local bishops more responsibility for Mass translations

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Actually, the Missal of 1570 is virtually identical to that of 1474, and no, the texts of that Missal were not just invented in the 15th century.

Further, Pius V allowed traditions of more than 200 years duration to survive…far more charitably than the Paul VI insistence that nearly everyone had to follow his Missal.
 
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I am just an ordinary Catholic who loves Christ and His Church.
I love going to Mass and worshiping the Lord.
I have no expertise in the history of the translations or Cannon law.

I have to say that all the tinkering with the liturgy from the 1970s to 2011 was in no way conducive to contemplation. It was distracting. I am afraid that this new development will bring back the tinkering and incongruity that was rampant prior to 2011.

The 2011 English translation sings. The beauty of the imagery and poetic phasing far surpasses the previous translation. Pope Benedict was quite right.

Just an opinion from an “ordinary” “dumb” Catholic in the pews.
 
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I am wondering what is so immoral and repugnant about the current translation? Not progressive enough? No new age language in it? Not inclusive of atheism, Buddhism or Islam?

What?
 
This development is for the entire Church, not just the English translation. Now the liturgy all over the world will have less continuity. Decentralization of authority can bring about splits. I for one am praying for unity along with the Lord’s prayer for us to be one.
 
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I am wondering what is so immoral and repugnant
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Answer what was so immoral and repugnant about the previous translation ?

Nothing really.

Christ is present in the Eucharist, regardless of whether it’s the OF in the vernacular or the EF in Latin. That’s why we attend Mass.

The difference is a matter of which one everyone in the congregation is able to understand easily regardless of their intellectual ability.

Jim
 
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Catholics of ALL intellectual abilities have a right to their liturgical patrimony, not some loose, inaccurate, and deliberately altered “translation” (seriously, countless allusions to…say…sin and sacrifice are literally just omitted from the 1974 “Sacramentary”. No accident there, and nothing to do with comprehension…more like, agenda).

The faithful can be catechized in what the liturgy means. Catechesis doesn’t require “See Spot Run” prayer texts either.
 
My guess is that the resistance to the 2011 translation that NewEnglandPriest has experienced is indicative of the parish and Catholic groups that he associates with, rather than representative of the Catholic Church in the USA as a whole.

There was an initial resistance to the changes mostly because people do not like any change from what they are used to. But the prolonged resistance to the 2011 liturgical translation seems to be coming from a small minority of Catholics…
 
Having attended Mass in several countries and in more than six languages, I am all for continuity. Without it, we won’t be able to claim that the same Mass is celebrated everywhere in the world.
 
Some will be thrilled. Some will be chilled.
Some will natter. To some, it won’t matter.
Some will boast. Some will roast.
Some will cheer Some will jeer.
Some will pray. Some. . .go away.
If from God --'twill prevail.
If not. . .it will fail.
Until then. . .
amen.
 
There actually haven’t been that many changes until Vatican II. The changes you’re probably referring to are changes done to fix abuses.

In my opinion, the Pope rightfully banned violins at mass because music is meant to enhance worship, not distract. The mass isn’t a performance. I can easily see someone playing the violin being a means of distracting people. Another pope, if I’m correct, said Gregorian chant is the best possible music meant for the mass. What we see these days are people outright playing guitar with choirs and flutes and even tambourines.

I’m saying that Latin was instituted and meant to be kept as a tradition. And we kept that tradition for a really long time - since the 3rd century. There’s a reason for that. And we Catholics should keep our traditions because that’s what the Church is built on.
 
The beginning of heresy. There are plenty of things that are wrong in some Masses now. Abdicating it’s responsibility will lead to more innovation in individual churches. Pretty soon it’ll be just like protestant denominations. Oh the Orthodox are looking better every day. Please bring back JPII and Benedict.
 
Perhaps, hypothetically, if a translation is so terrible, the laity will revolt and the local bishops will have to reassess…

So more power to the laity to protect “tradition”?
 
That’s a good attempt at a strawman but even many of the very conservative Catholics in these parts dislike the new translation. As has been pointed out many times in this thread, many people find it meandering and “big worded simply for the sake of being big worded.” As one person said to me: these prayers are almost like the episode of Friends when Joey used a thesaurus on every word in a letter that he wrote.
Or as Stephen Colbert once joked: ““Consubstantial? It’s the creed … not the SAT prep!”
 
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You are free to think that but the former president of the USCCB clearly disagrees, I guess he travels in small circles? I also have priest friends all over the country and its not limited to here. You’d be shocked at the number of very conservative Catholics who think the new translation is ridiculous.
 
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OK,
I guess I will agree with Saint Pope John Paul The Great and Pope Benedict in my dislike of the translation previous to 2011, and you can stand with Bishop Gregory.
 
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My understanding now is that once Pope Fransis changes Canon Law in the way he is doing now, it can never, ever be changed back to Roman Curia. I find this disheartening and sad. Benedict is a true Saint before his time. I am hoping I will be able to find the traditional Latin mass in San Diego County. As a practicing Catholis all of my life, I now feel I no longer have a faith to call my own.
 
No worries, it most certainly can be changed back.

I suspect future historians will look back at this pontificate as one of the worst instances in the 20th centuries of papal maximalism and ultramontane practice. For all the talk of openness, free speech, mercy and tolerance for all, there has been a real campaign to silence any and all question of the papal program. The problem is not merely one of liberal vs. conservative either…I would put Pius XII and Paul VI as the other two popes in the top 3 papal maximalists of the 20th century…but it is especially hypocritical when liberals become fascists.
 
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Or as Stephen Colbert once joked: ““Consubstantial? It’s the creed … not the SAT prep!”
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My comment at the time was that words like “consubstantial” and “chalice” might be English, but they are not the vernacular (i.e., what the common people use).
 
They are indeed the vernacular. Hieratic language does not exist only in Latin. Ask any Anglican.
 
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