Breaking: Wisconsin Supreme Court reinstates Walker’s collective bargaining law

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Pubklic employees neither need unions, nor should they ever be allowed to strike.

I am glad to see that the Supreme Court of WI has reinstated this law. Now, on to other states, and stopping the public unions from totally bankrupting more states.

There is simply no valid reason whatsoever for any government employee to belong to any union.
 
Big_Ro said:
Amen Rich. I’m with you and working people. That the state of WI has to bust unions in order to balance the budget is a canard and well worn territory on these forums. Rehashing them is a waste of time. Gov. Walker is against working people. Period. I’ll probably get banned for this but Walker and his minions worship at the alter of Lassez-Faire capitalism and Ayn Rand. I worship at the alter of Jesus Christ. They cannot be reconciled. Love you guys. I’m gonna miss this forum.
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I don’t worship at the altar of free markets, but I believe that they function much more efficiently than centrally planned economies that are in league with labor unions. I guess I’m a bad Catholic. 🤷 I’ve been called worse.
 
Hopefully more states will take the necessary steps to curb the unbridled growth of left-wing unions in the public sector. Sure, the unions were a good and necessary development when business magnates were abusing workers and practically enslaving them with low wages and brutal hours.

Show me the last time a government union worker worked brutal hours for low wages. For that matter, show me the last time a government union worker actually produced something useful. Note: paperwork is not useful except for kindling.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
We differ, it seems. I come from a line of hard working people - railroad workers and coal miners who would have no one in their corner against rapacious owners and bosses were it not for the unions. I am foursquare, in every way, for unions, both in the private and public sectors. You, I think, said that your family roots are in farming, and so your family would have had different experiences that did not require unions. I have no problem with that.
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I read a write in to my newspaper just this past Sunday, a guy from the ES had wrote to the Unions:

You say that you live here, you work here, your children go to school here - well my family lives here, we all work here, our children go to school here, so are you for families - or are you just for ‘union’ families?

I don’t know why I just thought that was totally relevant to your post. Even if people don’t ‘require’ unions or refuse to be in them, whatever the situation, they are still people, and just as valuable as union members. I don’t see why union members should get special attention just because they pay gang dues.
 
I’m very happy about this ruling which helps a middle class family like my own. This ruling will help my children get a good education. If not for this ruling, my children would have possibly been stuck in the failing Milwaukee Public School system. It’s a good day for working families. If anyone has any questions as to why I feel this way, please feel free to ask. I’m right in the middle of this fight.
 
The state employee unions in Wisconsin are now the same position as our federal workers who are unionized. The “rights” that were taken away are also denied federal union workers and Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress repeatedly declined to extend the same benefits Wisconsin state workers had to federal workers. So we’re faced with the strange assertion that what is union busting when done by the Republican Gov. of Wisconsin is fiscal responsibility when done by the Democrat president of the United States.
 
estesbob said:
So we’re faced with the strange assertion that what is union busting when done by the Republican Gov. of Wisconsin is fiscal responsibility when done by the Democrat president of the United States.
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Makes your head spin doesn’t it.

But you’ll never see CNN address that issue.
 
SamH said:
Makes your head spin doesn’t it.

But you’ll never see CNN address that issue.
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It was rather humorous to see how quickly Obama backtracked on his unionbusting comments when his advisers quietly reminded him Wisconsin was merely moving to the same policy that he supports with the federal government.

The truth is even the a Democrats know that the power of the public sector unions is the number one impediment to states solving their financial crisis. Even if the Democrats regain control of the legislature and the governorship in Wisconsin you will not see this law overturned.
 
Borealis said:
For that matter, show me the last time a government union worker actually produced something useful.
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My wife, a teacher in the NYC “government” school system, was a member of the union and her only product was the hundreds of educated children she taught who went on to productive lives thanks to her personally and others like her.

Call her useless if you will. I and hundreds of families disagree. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
My wife, a teacher in the NYC “government” school system, was a member of the union and her only product was the hundreds of educated children she taught who went on to productive lives thanks to her personally and others like her.

Call her useless if you will. I and hundreds of families disagree. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Your wife is a public school teacher but you home schooled your own children?
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
My wife, a teacher in the NYC “government” school system, was a member of the union and her only product was the hundreds of educated children she taught who went on to productive lives thanks to her personally and others like her.

Call her useless if you will. I and hundreds of families disagree. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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The anti-union bias on display here is a terrible shame, especially given what the Church, in her infallible teaching, says about workers’ rights and the importance of unions as vehicles for maintaining those rights.
 
gnjsdad said:
The anti-union bias on display here is a terrible shame, especially given what the Church, in her infallible teaching, says about workers’ rights and the importance of unions as vehicles for maintaining those rights.
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In what way are the worker’s “rights” being harmed?

2434 A just wage is the legitimate fruit of work. To refuse or withhold it can be a grave injustice.221 In determining fair pay both the needs and the contributions of each person must be taken into account. "Remuneration for work should guarantee man the opportunity to provide a dignified livelihood for himself and his family on the material, social, cultural and spiritual level, taking into account the role and the productivity of each, the state of the business, and the common good."222 Agreement between the parties is not sufficient to justify morally the amount to be received in wages.
 
gnjsdad said:
The anti-union bias on display here is a terrible shame, especially given what the Church, in her infallible teaching, says about workers’ rights and the importance of unions as vehicles for maintaining those rights.
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Being anti-union and being conservative seem to go hand-in-hand a lot, it seems to me, and so you find it here in great measure on this Forum. 😦
 
gnjsdad said:
The anti-union bias on display here is a terrible shame, especially given what the Church, in her infallible teaching, says about workers’ rights and the importance of unions as vehicles for maintaining those rights.
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Just because the church supports the right of workers organize does not mean we have to support unions in all their endeavors.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
My wife, a teacher in the NYC “government” school system, was a member of the union and her only product was the hundreds of educated children she taught who went on to productive lives thanks to her personally and others like her.

Call her useless if you will. I and hundreds of families disagree. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Teachers, most of them, are fantastic! The teachers’ unions, however, are not so fantastic. They hamper the efforts to have good teachers teaching in better schools.
 
rlg94086 said:
Teachers, most of them, are fantastic! The teachers’ unions, however, are not so fantastic. They hamper the efforts to have good teachers teaching in better schools.
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Agreed.

As my wife says the union guarantees that the worst teacher gets paid as much as the best teacher.
 
estesbob said:
The state employee unions in Wisconsin are now the same position as our federal workers who are unionized. The “rights” that were taken away are also denied federal union workers and Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress repeatedly declined to extend the same benefits Wisconsin state workers had to federal workers. So we’re faced with the strange assertion that what is union busting when done by the Republican Gov. of Wisconsin is fiscal responsibility when done by the Democrat president of the United States.
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estesbob said:
It was rather humorous to see how quickly Obama backtracked on his unionbusting comments when his advisers quietly reminded him Wisconsin was merely moving to the same policy that he supports with the federal government.

The truth is even the a Democrats know that the power of the public sector unions is the number one impediment to states solving their financial crisis. Even if the Democrats regain control of the legislature and the governorship in Wisconsin you will not see this law overturned.
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Just bumping these, in case the conservatives-are-all-evil-anti-union folks missed your posts.
 
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