Bring guns to church?

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Hans_W said:
I wouldn’t know, but apparently you can get special training.
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I’ve met legally (not completely) blind shooters - target shooters… But I believe it would be a potential for disaster if they carried outside the range, where they are assisted by a qualified instructor.
 
captainrick said:
I know a couple of protestant ministers who carry concealed to church. I’ve done it too, as have many of my friends and relatives, both Catholic and Protestant.
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There’s a priest in my diocese who at least sometimes carries in the church (I think). He’s a military chaplain and member of the state National Guard. I believe I’ve heard him talk about his duty to protect his parishioners if something like this recent incident happened in his parish.
 
captainrick said:
Particularly those who never threw off the yoke of British oppression, and are happy to continue with a British royal as their head of state.

I guess the American founders saw the need to throw out the oppressors, and made sure the Constitution included the right keep and bear arms for future generations.
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I assume this is supposed to be an insulting remark because New Zealand still regards the Queen as head of state. We’ll I am not a New Zealander and there is a strong percentage here who wants us to become a republic, including our Prime Minister. Unfortunately, the British patriots are still strongly represented here. Give it another generation. We’ll get there.

Coming back to the thread - not even police carries guns around here.
 
Wampa said:
There’s a priest in my diocese who at least sometimes carries in the church (I think). He’s a military chaplain and member of the state National Guard. I believe I’ve heard him talk about his duty to protect his parishioners if something like this recent incident happened in his parish.
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That’s interesting. I heard a U.S. Army chaplain say that they are forbidden to carry firearms. When they’re in potentially hostile territory they have an armed bodyguard. I’m not sure they’re even allowed to have weapons training at all.
 
If Jesus did not want his disciples armed, why didn’t he say that? “Put your weapon away,” is far different than, “do not carry a weapon”.
 
Antegin said:
Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. Matthew

Substitute gun for sword.

So Jesus said to Peter, “Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?” John

I think we should look for the answers in the Gospel, not the political platform of the NRA.
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I’m certainly no trained biblical scholar, nor do I proclaim to be one. However are you not ignoring that the statement was in response to Peter slicing the ear off the High Priests servant? Also are not remembering Luke 22:36, in which Jesus instructed Peter to purchase the sword? :confused:
Tomdstone said:
How would the blind person know what she is shooting at?
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There’s a significant difference between being licensed to carry a concealed firearm and not being held responsible for it’s use or misuse.
 
jaimeleglise said:
How about , metal detectors? Would they be allowed?
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I would think so, and not a bad idea. But, in the recent case, what would the gunman do if the metal detector alarmed - possibly just start shooting. A metal detector needs a security person to monitor it.
 
Shaolen said:
So my brother who went from sorta catholic to super southern Baptist was commenting on a post about the church shooting in SC saying this

“The President’s already trying to use this horrible event to pursue more gun control as he implied in his speech today. smh. You’re absolutely right John. I heard this kid ran out of ammo and had to reload. If someone there was exercising their 2nd amendment rights, they could have stopped this lunatic saved someone’s life. Probably their own”

So basically it sounds like he thinks people should have guns in church. Is this something that’s acceptable from a catholic stand point?
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Absolutely not! Guns have no place in any church. Our President is correct here.
 
Hans_W said:
I assume this is supposed to be an insulting remark because New Zealand still regards the Queen as head of state. We’ll I am not a New Zealander and there is a strong percentage here who wants us to become a republic, including our Prime Minister. Unfortunately, the British patriots are still strongly represented here. Give it another generation. We’ll get there.

Coming back to the thread - not even police carries guns around here.
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No insult intended! Just pointing out the difference in the ways our nations developed, resulting in more firearms in the U.S. My own ancestry is British - though I’m not a big fan of the royals!
 
seaton2005 said:
Absolutely not! Guns have no place in any church. Our President is correct here.
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Too bad the murderer didn’t agree, he wouldn’t have gone into the church and slaughtered those innocent defenseless people.
 
I think it’s just sad that we are even discussing this. I wouldn’t think about bringing a gun to church, I’m there to worship my Creator and Savior. If someone would kill me there I would be fine with it. “Precious is the death of His saints”. Just got to work on the saint part. If you want to bring guns go ahead I understand. I bring a gun almost everywhere but a church is not one. But to the president, gun control doesn’t solve a thing probably just make it worse. As a country we need to work on our morality not control of the people.
 
So I asked a few people about this. First I spoke with catholic answers live (some of you might have heard it). Jimmy akin stated that theres nothing fundamentally wrong with it and gave examples of the Swiss guard and in the military. But he did state its a matter of prudence and the situation and what its being used for. I spoke with Joe Heschmeyer which many of you might not know but he’s a brilliant catholic seminarian who blogs at shamless popery. He stated his initial reaction was tue same as mine and said this:

“Some churches have rules against guns
and there are stupid things that happen when people bring guns to church
like those guns accidentally going off
I think that we can say all of this, at a minimum.
At the very least, I don’t think that the solution to this is to put more guns in the mix.
If I’m in church, I’ve got a better weapon already, which is prayer.
plus, how much of a better death can you ask for than to get murdered in church?”

I also talked to a Baptist friend of mine who didn’t agree with brining guns to church but mentioned that he just lets those who do conceal and mentioned there are a few people he knows who do. Just thought id update everyone.
 
Bayoubeefmaster said:
But to the president, gun control doesn’t solve a thing probably just make it worse.
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If you had a gun for sale, I assume that you wouldn’t sell it to someone whom you knew had a history of violence or to someone whom you knew was mentally unstable or to someone who was dealing and using crack cocaine (I’m pretty certain that there are a lot of people who want guns that would fulfill all three criteria).

If that is the case, and I very sincerely hope that it is, you would be exercising gun control. Could you explain how not selling your gun to a violent, mentally unstable drug dealer makes matters worse?
 
captainrick said:
I know a couple of protestant ministers who carry concealed to church. I’ve done it too, as have many of my friends and relatives, both Catholic and Protestant.
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Hmmm, you and John Lazarus look like patriots.
Bradski said:
I really cannot begin to explain how absolutely crazy this sounds to an Australian.
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Don’t Aussies want guns back?
Antegin said:
Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. Matthew

Substitute gun for sword.

So Jesus said to Peter, “Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?” John

Could this not be said of all the martyrs that night?

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. Matthew

You became imitators of [Paul, Barnabas] and of the Lord, **for you welcomed the message in the midst of severe suffering **with the joy given by the Holy Spirit. First Thessalonians

I think we should look for the answers in the Gospel, not the political platform of the NRA.
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I think of 2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
I have mixed feelings as i am a gun owner. The NRA did not produce guns. They protect our rights. Maybe if someone good had a gun it wouldn’t have been “their time”. But it is a tragedy we need to heed.
 
Even_So said:
Don’t Aussies want guns back?
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Our government hasn’t said we can’t have guns. It just restricts the ownership of guns to people who need them and can show they are responsible in their use. But do we want to go back to the time when anyone could buy one?

No. Most emphatically no. Absolutely no. Indisputably no.
 
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