Bring guns to church?

[Tomdstone]

And within your “children” category is the reporting of all the gang shootings. As they are criminals shooting (generally) other criminals, your statistics don’t really tell the story.

The same goes for your other two statistics. Unless you can sort out, from those “killed by guns” into sub categories such as a) those killed in gang shootings (and that can be broken down to internal within the gang, gang against another gang, those shot by a gang member who were related to another gang member); b) other criminal on criminal shootings; c) innocent shot by criminals; and d) innocent shooting a criminal, it is essentially a meaningless statistic.

But you just keep banging away at it.

Too many children are being killed by guns. It is time for stricter gun control laws as the Catholic bishops have taught us.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Trouble is your countrymen keep banging away at people
(incidentally over 400 of the children were under 11 - that is crazy by any stretch of the imagination )

hmmmm

nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/information-service/factsheet-child-killings-england-wales-homicide-statistics.pdf

At 5 times your population we have less child killings per capita…

But please continue the UK tradition of telling us how uncivilized we are. Perhaps it makes the British extra nervous when the US has a gun toting population seeing as that is how we gained independence…

Just curious where your posts are on the high rate of child deaths and child soldiers in Muslim countries…

UK 199 Annually killed children up to the age of 15. Population 64.1 million. What are they killing them with?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Two more dead today. How many more before you recognise your paranoia is not saving lives at all but providing the means for taking them. As a Pro-Life supporter against both abortion and the death penalty, I see a lack of gun control as a hypocrisy.

How many people died in the UK today?

 

[LongingSoul]

hmmmm

nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/information-service/factsheet-child-killings-england-wales-homicide-statistics.pdf

At 5 times your population we have less child killings per capita…

But please continue the UK tradition of telling us how uncivilized we are. Perhaps it makes the British extra nervous when the US has a gun toting population seeing as that is how we gained independence…

Just curious where your posts are on the high rate of child deaths and child soldiers in Muslim countries…

UK 199 Annually killed children up to the age of 15. Population 64.1 million. What are they killing them with?

There’s an amount of explanation and containment regarding loss of life in war environments. The phenomenon that non Americans can’t wrap their heads around is the toleration of random, senseless massacres especially of children in general peace times. They have the nature of genocides or the ritual sacrifice of lives to the great god of guns because each incidence highlights how protected and sacred guns are in the US. Nothing, not even the death of innocent children calls their value in to question.

 

[Darryl1958]

“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

The Second Amendment in America has fostered a culture that is a much greater guarantor of the diffusion of power to the people than the words of any document ever will be.

The culture of the gun is the culture of freedom, because freedom requires power to guarantee it.
It is a hard pill for people to swallow, because guns kill a lot of people too.

 

[GEddie]

“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

The Second Amendment in America has fostered a culture that is a much greater guarantor of the diffusion of power to the people than the words of any document ever will be.

The culture of the gun is the culture of freedom, because freedom requires power to guarantee it.
It is a hard pill for people to swallow, because guns kill a lot of people too.

Are you, then, since you live in a non – armed society, afraid of losing freedom?

ICXC NIKA

 

[Darryl1958]

Are you, then, since you live in a non – armed society, afraid of losing freedom?

ICXC NIKA

Canada is not an unarmed country.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

My gun is registered and I am licensed to carry it concealed.

If I carry it to church…who knows? Who cares? Oh, for sure God knows…but He also knows my intentions so I am pretty sure He does not mind. Last I checked there was no rule about being armed in our church and there is no sign proclaiming it to be a “gun free zone”. So i ask…what is the problem?

 

[Eric_Hyom]

“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

The Second Amendment in America has fostered a culture that is a much greater guarantor of the diffusion of power to the people than the words of any document ever will be.

The culture of the gun is the culture of freedom, because freedom requires power to guarantee it.
It is a hard pill for people to swallow, because guns kill a lot of people too.

Any freedom gained by a gun, has to be kept by a gun, this is not a freedom I would ever want.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

The culture of the gun is the culture of freedom, because freedom requires power to guarantee it.

So, you have several million individuals with a gun, they each say, this is the freedom I want, and I have a gun.

Two individuals, each wanting a different freedom, and they each have a gun, the first to shoot gets her freedom granted, is this the second amendment in action?

Or even more scary, two opposing groups of people, each with guns and wanting a different freedom, how does the gun help freedom to work?

At what point does freedom with a gun become terrorism?

 

[gmcfall2315]

I do believe in some circumstances priests allowed for gunmen to perform a final salute for IRA men here in Ireland. Don’t quote me on that however, unsure if these acts were performed with the permission of the church in advance.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

How would this work? Do you put all the presidential candidates in a room, they all bring their big shiny guns, and the last one standing is the new president.

We shoot up the ballot boxes, and have a civil war instead, obviously the most powerful side gains control.

It might be a novel way to elect our new pope, give all the cardinals guns.

The Second Amendment in America has fostered a culture that is a much greater guarantor of the diffusion of power to the people than the words of any document ever will be.

They are trying to put the second amendment into practice in Iraq and Syria, clearly, they are getting something wrong.

 

[JimmyG88]

I really cannot begin to explain how absolutely crazy this sounds to an Australian.

And to a European! Ceremonial weapons are carried (swords etc) in some state ceremonies but to carry a weapon (presumably with the intention of taking a life) seems counterintuitive to the whole rationale of Christian worship

 

[ephesians4]

So, you have several million individuals with a gun, they each say, this is the freedom I want, and I have a gun.

Two individuals, each wanting a different freedom, and they each have a gun, the first to shoot gets her freedom granted, is this the second amendment in action?

Or even more scary, two opposing groups of people, each with guns and wanting a different freedom, how does the gun help freedom to work?

At what point does freedom with a gun become terrorism?

This is the most complete missing of the point that was being made, that you could have done.

They are trying to put the second amendment into practice in Iraq and Syria, clearly, they are getting something wrong.

…which is where this comment presumably arises from.

Material power - the option of force - being kept in the hands of the people does not necessitate them running around killing other members of society to impose their will, indeed that’s one of the things it prevents.

It necessitates governments (and other nasty persons) not having all of the power and control in the state, especially at the point where someone wants to violently repress/victimize people, destroy the rule of law etc.

 

[Brendan]

Too many children are being killed by guns. It is time for stricter gun control laws as the Catholic bishops have taught us.

There are far more children who die in swimming pools. If your interest is in saving childrens lives, why not focus on the item that is killing more of them?

 

[Brendan]

And to a European! Ceremonial weapons are carried (swords etc) in some state ceremonies but to carry a weapon (presumably with the intention of taking a life) seems counterintuitive to the whole rationale of Christian worship

Actually, the intent is to DEFEND a life, which IS decidedly within the realm of Christian theology.

Do you think that went the armed police forces put their guns on in the morning, that they actually INTENT to kill someone that day. Or do you think that their INTENT to stop a crime and save lives?

98% of the defensive uses of firearms do not involve the firearm being fired at all, let alone someone being killed.

If an attacker is held at bay until the police arrive, would you not say that such a use of a gun is within the Christian spirit. Or if the attacker sees the gun, and flees, no life was taken, and the victim was protected. Not quite as positive an outcome as the attacker receiving justice from the legal system, as in the first example, but positive none the less.

 

[JimmyG88]

There are far more children who die in swimming pools. If your interest is in saving childrens lives, why not focus on the item that is killing more of them?

We can try to make swimming safer and enjoyable. I don’t think the same can be said for lethal weaponry. I don’t think the calculations are difficult. Where guns are then there will be casualties or dead. Where guns are not then there are less. So why not campaign for control or abolishion of potential injury and death.

 

[JimmyG88]

Actually, the intent is to DEFEND a life, which IS decidedly within the realm of Christian theology.

98% of the defensive uses of firearms do not involve the firearm being fired at all, let alone someone being killed.

If an attacker is held at bay until the police arrive, would you not say that such a use of a gun is within the Christian spirit. Or if the attacker sees the gun, and flees, no life was taken, and the victim was protected. Not quite as positive an outcome as the attacker receiving justice from the legal system, as in the first example, but positive none the less.

You need to look at your argument. Your intention may be to prevent death the intention on the other side isn’t. How does more guns rather than less guns begins to solve this. They should be illegal in any circumstances apart from military and police

 

[Peccavi]

Latest figures show 34 people (young and old) die EVERY DAY of gun crime in the USA. If I were a citizen of the US I would be ashamed of that figure and asking my Government to do something about it.

 

[Brendan]

We can try to make swimming safer and enjoyable. I don’t think the same can be said for lethal weaponry.

Why not? We could do for pools what many are proposing for guns, ban them entirely. If swimming needs to be done, government officials could swim on our behalf, in pools that are strictly owned by the government. That would certainly reduce child deaths in pools, would it not?

Same for pools our automobiles

Where guns are not then there are less. So why not campaign for control or abolishion of potential injury and death.

Not factually true. Switzerland issues fully automatic assault rifles and ammunition to all men 18-42. When a man turns 42, he can purchase his assault rifle from the government.

Just about every house has military weaponry, and their crime rate is one of the lowest in Europe, substantially lower than that UK. So it would seem that if a country wants to lower it’s gun crime rate, the solution would be to give everyone assault rifles.

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