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I agree with you - it will take brave, clear, strong with kindness above all, to be accomplished. There is already a condition that is out of control - the humanity disintegrating on the streets must be stopped. To do nothing is making worse almost impossible to occur. Those who have been given the authority to get control must get going - political excuses are unacceptable.
The time has come that our country is having disasters within, and the people who have been elected must work for the people or get out of the way!
 
grotto, I honestly believe that one of the main reasons why nothing gets accomplished is that many of the politicians have no religion or respect for religion.

They claim to be motivated by “love for all mankind,” but the truth is, they love to hear songs about love, and attend shows about love, and wear shirts and post memes about love–but they don’t actually love the people that are so desperately in need of help.

We who are Christians have Christ in us, and HE loves everyone no matter what their circumstances, and His love in us constrains us to help in some way–prayers, time, talents, monies, etc…

Christians have different ideas of the best way to help. Some think it’s better to teach a person to fish so that they are equipped to “catch” their own sustenance, while others insist that we must give fish to those who are in need.

They’re both good, and depending on where the suffering person is in their life, one might be more appropriate than the other.

Christianity isn’t the only “religion” that teaches followers to help the poor.

So I believe that until religious faith is included in the work of the government, the unfortunate ones will not receive the help they so desperately need. They’ll get a lot of lip service and perhaps a celebrity concert “event” with the politicians and city leaders showing up to hold hands and wear t-shirts with a touching slogan–but they won’t bring about any legislation or public policy that actually has a chance of helping those who are desperately in need of help.

JMO. And we Christians certainly don’t have to wait for a “policy” to start helping those in our circle of influence. We won’t save everyone, but we can make a huge difference to one or a few people.
 
I’ve worked with the homeless in my community. Some of the reasons for not going to a shelter has to do with the shelter rules of no alcohol, no drugs, no weapons. Yes, there are many homeless that sport a hunting knife for protection from other homeless.

There are a plethora of reasons for being homeless. Mental illness +addiction is a major reason. Most of these people won’t go to a shelter. Occasionally, the police in my community will pick these people up (if they’ve become a problem), get them in jail for a night or two and clean them up and feed them. The current laws (especially those on the West Coast) almost make it a violation of the homeless person’s civil right to sleep off a ‘high’ on the sidewalk.

A few years ago, a local news station posted a story on Facebook about a homeless man that had been arrested for public drunkeness over 200 times in about 10 years. The comments were not kind to the Christians. We were supposed to help this man and get him clean. Police and those who work with the homeless all responded that they have tried with this man but he didn’t want any help. Homeless guy wanted to kill himself by being drunk. Nothing we could do except keep him from harming others by his actions.
 
The poor will always be with us - that is True. And depending on the poor person - the cause varies in the extreme. We need a love our neighbor and ourselves. We have to use good judgment to determine how we help them - a prayer to guide our help is the first step. We must take the first step and continue when confronted with the ills that have flourished in our country. Our country first because we are to have control of our government - and united is the way to do big things. This diseased, out of control, mess - is due to the neglect of government working. California, Washington, Oregon, and New York have been the victim of their local and State elected “leaders”. There is no other cause than corrupt politicians and the electors that put them in office. The people must step up and take control by removing those who will not serve and replacing with those who will. And they better do it yesterday!
 
There are so many tragic situations. I have found shelter for folks who do not want to abide by shelter rules such as give up their cell phone, not sleep in the same bed as their partner, for single mothers with teenage boys it is almost impossible to find a shelter (women/children shelters won’t take a 17 year old boy), trying to talk people into surrendering their dog so they can go in a shelter is impossible. There is exactly one family shelter (where there are rooms for a family) within a 100 mile radius of me.

We have to do better. Family shelters are vital. Pet friendly shelters, with volunteer veterinarians (who are already living on a thin margin). Shelters that will allow someone who cannot pass a drug test to at least come in and try to get clean.

Then there is the whole “I don’t want that shelter in MY neighborhood” issue.

We have to give people boots before they can pull themselves up by bootstraps.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Then there is the whole “I don’t want that shelter in MY neighborhood” issue.
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When people say “I don’t want that shelter in MY neighborhood”, what they’re really saying is they don’t want to deal with piles of human feces and used drug needles littering their streets, or their yards. They don’t want to have to worry about their kids getting typhus from the lack of sanitation, or picking up Hep-B from stepping on a dirty syringe. People that work hard to provide a safe environment for their families have rights too.
 
Having volunteered/visited in more shelters than I can count, all of them had indoor plumbing and did not permit use of IV needles onsite.

I am talking about opening shelters.

It is the less fortunate people who are not wanted in the neighborhood. You might want to attend a city board meeting when a new shelter tries to open.
 
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I’m fascinated that you pick out blue states, two of which combined pretty much have larger economies than the rest of the US combined, as being particularly graced with bad politicians who somehow create poverty. There are Red States who pretty much have the highest and most systemic levels of poverty in the English-speaking world, but California is somehow mismanaged.
 
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I’m fascinated that you pick out blue states, two of which combined pretty much have larger economies than the rest of the US combined, as being particularly graced with bad politicians who somehow create poverty. There are Red States who pretty much have the highest and most systemic levels of poverty in the English-speaking world, but California is somehow mismanaged.
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It’s understandable that “red states” with their populations less intelligent and compassionate people would have high and systemic poverty, but not “blue states” that have larger economies than the rest of the US combined and are populated with the smartest and most compassionate among us.
 
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It is interesting that you injected “with their populations of gap-toothed, inbred, hillbilly, KKK members” into the conversation.
 
At one time there were institutions for the mentally ill. Perhaps there should be again.

And perhaps drug dealers and importers should get life for the first offense.
 
niceatheist said:
I’m fascinated that you pick out blue states, two of which combined pretty much have larger economies than the rest of the US combined, as being particularly graced with bad politicians who somehow create poverty. There are Red States who pretty much have the highest and most systemic levels of poverty in the English-speaking world, but California is somehow mismanaged.
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I grew up in southern California before moving away as a young adult. There is a lot of mismanagement there. The NIMBYism I can understand. But City Hall getting sufficiently infested enough with rats and their fleas to cause people to get sick? That’s mismanagement right there. But in California, that is just a minor starter course in mismanagement.
 
If it makes you feel any better we here in Denver are going the way of LA San Francisco .A push for safe injection sites,right to squat ,camping anywhere etc.Yep out 2 term corrupt leftist mayor was just re elected to a third term ,yay four more years to drag Denver down the gutter. Along with the city commmissioners in lock step ,yeah won’t be long before Denver is just another has been beautiful city now a dump
 
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I suppose there are many puzzles in politics. California politics to me stands out as more puzzling than others. At least a puzzle from the stand point that California is often leading the charge with environmental causes. The ideas presented with global warming seems to be a big cause with California politicians, along with other environmental ideas. Billions are spend in the Bear state on various environmental projects, such as a high speed train, solar power projects, etc.

Yet, California is known for its high rates of homelessness, human sewage in the streets, the country side is often written about as being trash dumping sights, drug use and needles left lying around, etc.

It just seems that politicians there tend to take a myopic view on the environment and their citizens wellbeing. I would think keeping homeless to a low level, taking care of the less fortunate would be higher priority for that state. Keeping the streets clean from sewage and disease should in theory be a high priority for environmentally conscious California.

It hasn’t been though for what ever reason been a high priority. Maybe the homeless don’t have as much political clout. Hard to say, but hope California improves their situation and doesn’t see disease outbreaks from their unclean environment.
 
In many jurisdictions, environmentalism is often a “follow the money” exercise as the state looks to extract its pound of flesh as part of the bigger picture. Another part that is well hidden in California is the relationship the large construction companies have with the state government in Sacramento. What’s left of the bullet train initiative is completely unnecessary, nothing more than pure pork barrel spending to benefit one of these large construction companies. What many think is myopia on the part of the politicians is actually closer to corporate cronyism as practiced in Sacramento, Los Angeles and other major cities around the state.
 
Don’t make me laugh! Are you suggesting that California is not mismanaged? HA HA HA HA!
 
No, I’m starting plenty of red states are mismanaged. And California can’t really help it that it’s a nicer place to live then Alabama.
 
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