Burger King sells gay pride Whopper

[slapshotsaint]

If someone wants to be gay so be it. Thats freedom.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

It is a joke for him/her. When you cherry pick your faith you can’t be taking it serious.

I don’t cherry pick my faith seeing as there’s not much of it left anymore to cherry pick. You sir have been among my best examples of the joke in my history on these boards.

So apparently obeying God and his Church makes one “holier than thou” now?
Well at risk of my "playing spiritually-higher-than-you card. I put God before business matters.

Now… Where did i hang my halo?

There’s a higher chance that you’re just another online poster who blows smoke about sacrificing critical business matters over morality but has never actually done it. Lose a business and a job for your faith. After that, get back up. Then you can talk. Till then, the little halo you’re taking about is right over there in the props section.

Unless you’ve done as much as challenge the Supreme Court on the level of Hobby Lobby and Eden Foods, don’t expect me to take you seriously kid.

And by the way, his name is Matthew. If you’re going to spit on a dead man’s grave, at least get his name right. Sam Shepard was a playwright.

It’s pitiful evidence of how far gone Catholicism has become in the culture crusade. Now we have a ridiculous ‘counter-culture’ movement that eats and drinks whatever ‘alternative’ theory there is just because it’s not ‘tainted’ by the ‘gay agenda.’

 

[latin_rite]

I don’t cherry pick my faith seeing as there’s not much of it left anymore to cherry pick. You sir have been among my best examples of the joke in my history on these boards.

Maybe you’re jealous of others strength in their faith? It seems that you get upset and try to mock people who demonstrate what you feel is a deeper commitment to the faith.

There’s a higher chance that you’re just another online poster who blows smoke about sacrificing critical business matters over morality but has never actually done it. Lose a business and a job for your faith. After that, get back up. Then you can talk. Till then, the little halo you’re taking about is right over there in the props section.

You don’t know me nor what i have or have not done. Have i lost money through my employment due to my faith? Yes i have. And i don’t regret it either. Would i have went all the way and lost my job completely? Yes i would have,

Unless you’ve done as much as challenge the Supreme Court on the level of Hobby Lobby and Eden Foods, don’t expect me to take you seriously kid.

What should i do? Put a large sign outside asking some homosexual to come and try to make me do something that would go against my faith so i can take them to court? Grow up bro.

It’s pitiful evidence of how far gone Catholicism has become in the culture crusade. Now we have a ridiculous ‘counter-culture’ movement that eats and drinks whatever ‘alternative’ theory there is just because it’s not ‘tainted’ by the ‘gay agenda.’

It is still the same now as it was when it has started. Saying that homosexuality is a sin is not something they decided upon last week. So where you got that " Now we have a ridiculous ‘counter-culture’ movement that eats and drinks whatever ‘alternative’ theory there is just because it’s not ‘tainted’ by the 'gay agenda" diatribe from i have no idea. If what the Church teaches is now “counter culture” then it is because everyone else has changed, while the Church has kept Gods law. I just find it sad that there are so called Catholics out there who because of weakness, brainwashing or what ever get upset and try to bully those who are doing nothing trying to obey Gods law.

 

[Memaw]

Ah yes, the whole I’m spiritually-higher-than-you card that religious people play so that business matters seem beneath them.

People like you are the reason why I sucked at my first job.

Depends on the business matters !! God Bless, Memaw

 

[vz71]

Lose a business and a job for your faith. After that, get back up. Then you can talk. Till then, the little halo you’re taking about is right over there in the props section.

Done long ago.

But my faith is intact and perhaps even stronger for it.

I do not consider my faith a joke or ironic in any way.

Perhaps that is why there is so much anger sensed here.
You (claim to) lost a job for a faith that you do not value.
That does seem a raw deal. If the faith were valued more, then the loss of the job would be in perspective.

In any case, you are not the topic of the thread. Burger King and their latest marketing scheme are.
It is difficult to count people not going to Burger King, but it would be interesting to watch the P&L statements and compare with last year.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

That does seem a raw deal. If the faith were valued more, then the loss of the job would be in perspective.

That doesn’t make sense to me. Suffering for the faith is always a raw deal, in this life. That’s part of the reason it is rewarded in heaven.

 

[vz71]

That doesn’t make sense to me. Suffering for the faith is always a raw deal, in this life. That’s part of the reason it is rewarded in heaven.

Suffering is always a raw deal.
But to suffer for something of no value is worse.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Maybe you’re jealous of others strength in their faith? It seems that you get upset and try to mock people who demonstrate what you feel is a deeper commitment to the faith.

Yes, because I automatically make fun of something means I’m soo jealous. School kid logic much?

Yes i would have

Then why aren’t you?

What should i do? Put a large sign outside asking some homosexual to come and try to make me do something that would go against my faith so i can take them to court? Grow up bro.

Says the guy who uses school kid logic regarding jealousy and cites tabloid research against a homophobia victim.

bully those who are doing nothing trying to obey Gods law.

I don’t have problem with homosexual actions being described as a sin.

What I have problem with is using religion to justify something stupid like quitting one’s job and jeopardizing their income out of spiritual pride.

What I have a problem with is using religion to justify over-reactionary responses and Catholics living up to America’s worse caricatures of white, right-wing Christianity out of spiritual pride.

That’s what I see in you and in other people here: Spiritual pride.

At least the things I take pride in look tangible on my dinner plate and the electricity in my house.

You (claim to) lost a job for a faith that you do not value.

Correction: Do not value now. I lost the job (and brought down my parents’ business) because I was just as spiritually proud as you thinking my beliefs were a higher priority. Raw deal? Don’t get me started.

In any case, you are not the topic of the thread. Burger King and their latest marketing scheme are.
It is difficult to count people not going to Burger King, but it would be interesting to watch the P&L statements and compare with last year.

You’re right. But that’s the thing, I work in marketing remember? I don’t remember you saying the same. That’s why I’m telling people to give the franchise some slack. Honestly, I pity every BK employee of that branch who reads this thread or goes to church and gets the same boycott backlash.

Man I used to be horrified by the things people do for business but now that I see what lengths people go to justify their so-called faith. Pot could you ask just how blacker your friend kettle wants to be than you?

 

[latin_rite]

Yes, because I automatically make fun of something means I’m soo jealous. School kid logic much?

I never said you was jealous because you made fun of it. I said it because that’s how you came off. You seemed jealous of others strength in their faith. You indicated you wanted to be more secure in it. but couldn’t be, So you set about trying to mock those who were.

Then why aren’t you?

Why weren’t i what? Fired? Because i won that’s why.

Says the guy who uses school kid logic regarding jealousy and cites tabloid research against a homophobia victim.

It is now known that . McKinney and Shepard were gay lovers. It is also known that the chain of events started with a drug deal gone bad. And no, i didn’t get that information from tabloid media or “research” (what ever that means). Plus here is a pro tip my friend. Don’t spend a whole post calling people childish after calling them names and accusing them of doing things you have no proof of. Call me what you like. I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by you people any longer.

I don’t have problem with homosexual actions being described as a sin. What I have problem with is using religion to justify something stupid like quitting one’s job and jeopardizing their income out of spiritual pride.

Who said anything about quitting a job out of spiritual pride?
I would never of gave them the satisfaction of quitting. this is the silly little things that made me suggest to you that you should grow up. You’re trying to demean someones stance for their face as nothing more than a point of their ego.

What I have a problem with is using religion to justify over-reactionary responses and Catholics living up to America’s worse caricatures of white, right-wing Christianity out of spiritual pride.

Now you’re playing the race card? You think white people are the only race to think homosexuality is a sin? Really, that’s just amazing. Either way, here you are again trying to down play someones strength in their faith. This has nothing to do with pride. It is only to do with following Gods law.

That’s what I see in you and in other people here: Spiritual pride.

At least the things I take pride in look tangible on my dinner plate and the electricity in my house.

Well. to me God is real and tangible. And maybe that’s your problem? I think everyone on here would agree about the importance of putting food and having what we would call modern day essentials. But as far as jobs goes. There are many jobs, but only one God.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I never said you was jealous because you made fun of it. I said it because that’s how you came off.

See this?

You seemed jealous of others strength in their faith. You indicated you wanted to be more secure in it. but couldn’t be, So you set about trying to mock those who were.

This is a contradiction. Clear as day. I need not speak further. You’ve saved me that trouble.

Why weren’t i what? Fired? Because i won that’s why.

Nope, I meant why aren’t you still pushing it? Why are you trying to ‘win’? I thought your faith meant more to you than any job. So go ahead. Lose it.

It is now known that . McKinney and Shepard were gay lovers. It is also known that the chain of events started with a drug deal gone bad.

Yeah. You call yourself a pro. Christian humility? You’re giving me another joke here. Whenever I see threads like this, it really says how much it brings comments like yours out of the cathedral woodworks.

Oh and FYI, the only source I’ve checked that makes your claim is some guy named Jimenez and I can’t say he’s reliable.

Who said anything about quitting a job out of spiritual pride?

People like you who jeopardize their livelihood for a so-called faith yet wear the act like a badge of honor. You’re quite willing to quit your job because it seems going to church and protesting marketing stunts seems a higher priority in your life. You call me childish?

This has nothing to do with pride. It is only to do with following Gods law.

Oh no, it’s pride in a stereotype. Look at what you’re doing. You’re taking great religious offense from a burger wrapper. You call it propaganda. You cry anti-Church agenda. Your comments are living, breathing parrots of the entire Christian right movement that’s making a court jester out of this religion.

I think everyone on here would agree about the importance of putting food and having what we would call modern day essentials. But as far as jobs goes. There are many jobs, but only one God.

Pff… many jobs.



Yeah, I’m sure your local panhandler would like to hear those words. Maybe you should be preaching to them instead of BK. I’d forward your words to the local beggars here but they don’t understand much English.

 

[latin_rite]

See this?

I should i wrote it.

This is a contradiction. Clear as day. I need not speak further. You’ve saved me that trouble.

No contradiction. you appear jealous, so that’s why i said you’re jealous.

Nope, I meant why aren’t you still pushing it? Why are you trying to ‘win’? I thought your faith meant more to you than any job. So go ahead. Lose it.

Because i won. I already said this. How much clearer can i make it? And since i won, why quit? I don’t understand the logic.

Yeah. You call yourself a pro. Christian humility? You’re giving me another joke here. Whenever I see threads like this, it really says how much it brings comments like yours out of the cathedral woodworks.

Oh and FYI, the only source I’ve checked that makes your claim is some guy named Jimenez and I can’t say he’s reliable.

I call myself a what now?
And FYI. Just because you don’t like the source, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

People like you who jeopardize their livelihood for a so-called faith yet wear the act like a badge of honor. You’re quite willing to quit your job because it seems going to church and protesting marketing stunts seems a higher priority in your life. You call me childish?

My so called faith is real. And i don’t wear anything like a badge. I only brought it up because it was relevant. Your assumptions are running wild again. In fact they are bordering on lies. I wasn’t going to quit my job over any marketing stunt. What are you talking about? But yes. Going to Church is more important than my job. No one is going to die if i quit or have a day off.

Oh no, it’s pride in a stereotype. Look at what you’re doing. You’re taking great religious offense from a burger wrapper. You call it propaganda. You cry anti-Church agenda. Your comments are living, breathing parrots of the entire Christian right movement that’s making a court jester out of this religion.

I grew up in a house with 3 atheist brothers. Who had foul mouths and a sharp wit. Believe me. I am not going to feel any great offense over a rainbow burger wrapper.
Now. I do call it gay propaganda. Because that’s what it is. Even someone pro gay agenda would say this. I didn’t say it was anti Church. I did say that homosexuality is a sin. God says we shouldn’t help anybody commit that sin. And that includes those who want a quick buck from that sin. And quite frankly i don’t care what you think is a joke or not. I am far beyond that. Like i said. No bullying or shaming me away from Gods words will work. .
Clearly we have differing views on what is acceptable and what isn’t. So laugh away, i don’t really care.

Yeah, I’m sure your local panhandler would like to hear those words. Maybe you should be preaching to them instead of BK. I’d forward your words to the local beggars here but they don’t understand much English.

Did i say people should quit their job? No i didn’t i am talking about myself. So really i have no idea again about what you’re talking claiming
So in future, just stick to what i say. don’t add things on or assume things. It really drags the convo on when i have to spend half my post correcting you.

 

[vz71]

Lose a business and a job for your faith.

You never seemed to address the fact that people who sacrifice business for the sake of morality defeat the very notion when they’re just shooting themselves in the foot. There’s no morality to speak of and yet you pretend there is.

I fail to see the point in a morality that lets you sacrifice work ethics just so you could feel more ‘righteous.’

From my experience, that moral absolutism didn’t pay my bills as much as shut down my parents’ business.

What I have problem with is using religion to justify something stupid like quitting one’s job and jeopardizing their income out of spiritual pride.

I thought your faith meant more to you than any job. So go ahead. Lose it.

So which is it?

The job is lost because of faith?
The job is given up?
The business is lost for the faith?
The job is walked away from because of faith?
The job is given up because of pride?

At face value, we are supposed to put up with your abuse of the church and its teachings on the basis that somewhere along the way this faith proved a problem.
We are also asked to accept you as a marketing expert on what BK is doing and apparently the wrongness and taking some kind of economic response to this.

I am having a difficult time believing my own economic decisions against BK, as well as others are ill-advised based solely on your word. There just seems too much anger against the church and minor inconsistencies in the events for me to simply take at face value.

This is why simple logic and morality are best when presenting a case.
Name calling, false accusation, and mocking are ineffective when trying to win over an audience.

That said, I am still getting anecdotal evidence that people are taking this story into account when deciding to eat at BK. A few have chosen to pay extra to go elsewhere.

BK’s gay pride whopper looks like a bad move.

 

[vz71]

It really drags the convo on when i have to spend half my post correcting you.

I would simply let the assumptions run.
It is interesting to see how far people will take themselves on little to no evidence.

 

[vz71]

The marketing scheme has run its course.
But I am unable to find anything to identify if sales at this branch were up or not.

Has anyone been able to find news on this?

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I should i wrote it.

Apparently you don’t as evidenced further below.

No contradiction. you appear jealous, so that’s why i said you’re jealous.

I appear jealous because I criticize the faith. You said so yourself.

And since i won, why quit? I don’t understand the logic.

The fact that you had to ‘win’ kinda defeats the idea of sacrificing that little victory for your faith.

And FYI. Just because you don’t like the source, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Thanks for proving that you didn’t read the link.

I wasn’t going to quit my job over any marketing stunt. What are you talking about? But yes. Going to Church is more important than my job. No one is going to die if i quit or have a day off.

Wanna bet? Again, why don’t you quit your job then? You talk of assumptions but frankly, I’m just calling you off on your boasts. You claim the faith means so much to you that you think it should give you some license to trod on a company you don’t even work for as well as flippantly align with people who think the folks at BK should be sacrificing business sensibility for your moralism.

I grew up in a house with 3 atheist brothers. Who had foul mouths and a sharp wit. Believe me. I am not going to feel any great offense over a rainbow burger wrapper.

Yet you condemn the branch all the same. Really, your comments speak for themselves.

Did i say people should quit their job?

You and some people here certainly take joy in being able to do that for their faith and wear it like a badge so you can wave it at BK along with your moralist wagging finger.

So which is it?

The job is lost because of faith?
The job is given up?
The business is lost for the faith?
The job is walked away from because of faith?
The job is given up because of pride?

All of the above.

At face value, we are supposed to put up with your abuse of the church and its teachings on the basis that somewhere along the way this faith proved a problem.
We are also asked to accept you as a marketing expert on what BK is doing and apparently the wrongness and taking some kind of economic response to this.

The fact is any marketer will tell you more or less the same thing: You don’t know squat about why companies really do this. You’re not the CMO, you’re not anyone working in BK’s marketing department, and you don’t even know marketing, period. Thus, the criticism I see being lobbied in this thread is uncalled for.

And if this Christian can see how this is ridiculous then I doubt I’m the only one with enough experience on the subject to call your judgement as anything but expert.

There are times and places when boycotts and buycotts are appropriate, certainly, but the way in which they have become the default method of public discourse and social advocacy is troubling.

I am having a difficult time believing my own economic decisions against BK, as well as others are ill-advised based solely on your word. There just seems too much anger against the church and minor inconsistencies in the events for me to simply take at face value.

This is why simple logic and morality are best when presenting a case.

Simple logic and ‘morality’ a sales report does not make. And frankly, neither does it make a complete business strategy. There are too many variables to consider but you only base yours on rigid, self-righteous moralism.

 

[latin_rite]

Apparently you don’t as evidenced further below.

I appear jealous because I criticize the faith. You said so yourself.

I told you why.

The fact that you had to ‘win’ kinda defeats the idea of sacrificing that little victory for your faith.

I don’t understand. I won. Should i have asked my boss to sack me just so i can “sacrifice” something for my faith? Wasn’t that the kind of behaviour you have just spent half dozen post complaining about?

Thanks for proving that you didn’t read the link.

You don’t believe a homosexual who put his career on the line. Because it is just “tabloid” journalism. Yet you expect me to believe some pro homosexual blog?

Wanna bet? Again, why don’t you quit your job then? You talk of assumptions but frankly, I’m just calling you off on your boasts. You claim the faith means so much to you that you think it should give you some license to trod on a company you don’t even work for as well as flippantly align with people who think the folks at BK should be sacrificing business sensibility for your moralism.

Why should i quit my job? Tell me why? I fought for it and won. So why should i quit it? Your logic would do even Dr Spocks head in honestly. And ieven if i was unemployed. I would still have he right to voice my opinion. And i highly doubt that BK would sacrifice a penny for me. But, that’s not why i am saying i will not eat at BK. It is a personal choice. A choice i made based on my faith. Yeah, BK can support sin all it wants. But it wont be doing it on my dime.

Yet you condemn the branch all the same. Really, your comments speak for themselves.

I don’t support it because it goes against my faith. Not because it hurt my feelings.

You and some people here certainly take joy in being able to do that for their faith and wear it like a badge so you can wave it at BK along with your moralist wagging finger.

Don’t tell me what i take joy in. I told you last post to stop making assumptions. If you want to do that, go start another thread where you can have imaginary discussions with me all you want.

 

[vz71]

You don’t know squat about why companies really do this. You’re not the CMO, you’re not anyone working in BK’s marketing department, and you don’t even know marketing, period. Thus, the criticism I see being lobbied in this thread is uncalled for.

Not that you have sufficient information for this conclusion…
One does not have to know all of the details behind a sin to know it is a sin.

Simple logic and ‘morality’ a sales report does not make.

No one said they do.
I just was curious to see if the fruits of their sin are apparent yet.

And frankly, neither does it make a complete business strategy. There are too many variables to consider but you only base yours on rigid, self-righteous moralism.

If the choice is to sin or not to sin, there is only one law to consider. God’s law.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I told you why.

Yes, grade school logic. I am jealous because I criticize the religion. Uh-huh.

I don’t understand. I won. Should i have asked my boss to sack me just so i can “sacrifice” something for my faith?

Obviously.

Wasn’t that the kind of behaviour you have just spent half dozen post complaining about?

Indeed. But since you consider the act such a wonderful virtue, why did you fight? Your job is second place to your faith. Fighting for something you value less seems illogical and pointless.

So again, why don’t you quit?

You don’t believe a homosexual who put his career on the line. Because it is just “tabloid” journalism. Yet you expect me to believe some pro homosexual blog?

Who’s playing cards now? What does the homosexuality of either party have to do with the challenges to Jimenez’s ‘facts’? He claims to have painstakingly researched yet the link I showed you questions the very origins of his assumptions.

If you’re going to defend someone at least don’t commit the crime you and others here enjoy accusing me of.

Why should i quit my job? Tell me why? I fought for it and won. So why should i quit it?

Because your faith seems soooo important to you. Plus the fact that you’re boycotting something yet claim to be not offended? Yeah, who’s being called immature here again?

I don’t support it because it goes against my faith. Not because it hurt my feelings.

I see no difference. Offended is offended.

Don’t tell me what i take joy in. I told you last post to stop making assumptions.

I’m not assuming anything. You’re the one contradicting yourself saying your job matters little compared to your faith yet still chose to fight for said job. You’re the one who naively suggests that jeopardizing one’s job is just child’s play if your so-called ‘faith’ seemed far more valuable.

Not that you have sufficient information for this conclusion…
One does not have to know all of the details behind a sin to know it is a sin.

Following your logic. There’s no need for due process.

No one said they do.
I just was curious to see if the fruits of their sin are apparent yet.

That’s not for you to decide. That’s for whatever BK determines as the largest source of revenue. Personally, I hold no stake in the outcome. I’m just sick of moralists thinking their ideals are all they need to make judgment calls on topics they neither have knowledge or experience with. Such people are no different than the far-left Occupy and Ad Busters movement.

If the choice is to sin or not to sin, there is only one law to consider. God’s law.

Yeah sure. A law that seems to fall on itself stating that’s it’s better to commit injustice to oneself than another perceived injustice.

It’s really one big joke.

 

[vz71]

Indeed. But since you consider the act such a wonderful virtue, why did you fight? Your job is second place to your faith. Fighting for something you value less seems illogical and pointless.

So again, why don’t you quit?

I see.
So if someone has not suffered for their faith, it is meaningless.
If circumstances do not provide the suffering, then we are to force it.

You make no sense.

Following your logic. There’s no need for due process.

Due process is a process to determine a violation of man’s laws. Not God’s.
Since we are discussing God’s law here, your statement fails.

That’s not for you to decide.

Decide what?
You are making unwarranted assumptions again.

Personally, I hold no stake in the outcome.

For someone that claims no stake, you certainly are spending a lot of energy berating those that know the wrongness of the action.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I’m just sick of moralists thinking their ideals are all they need to make judgment calls on topics they neither have knowledge or experience with. Such people are no different than the far-left Occupy and Ad Busters movement.

As stated before, one does not need all of the details behind a sin to know it a sin.

Yeah sure. A law that seems to fall on itself stating that’s it’s better to commit injustice to oneself than another perceived injustice.

It’s really one big joke.

It is apparent you have no understanding here.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I see.
So if someone has not suffered for their faith, it is meaningless.
If circumstances do not provide the suffering, then we are to force it.

You make no sense.

Don’t look at me. That’s the religion you’re describing. If that doesn’t make sense to you, it makes me wonder why you even defend it.

Due process is a process to determine a violation of man’s laws. Not God’s.
Since we are discussing God’s law here, your statement fails.

Oh I see, so either you’re automatically guilty or your innocent. No investigation necessary. Yeah that’s Christian justice for ya.

And they wonder why God’s being thrown out of the courtroom.

Decide what?
You are making unwarranted assumptions again.

Decide whether or not their plan worked. You don’t even work at BK. What makes you think you’ll be privy to all the details?

For someone that claims no stake, you certainly are spending a lot of energy berating those that know the wrongness of the action.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Says the guy protesting a burger wrapper. Pot, your friend kettle really likes blowing steam.

As stated before, one does not need all of the details behind a sin to know it a sin.

Uh-huh. Yeah keep talking like that. It gives me more proof of the inapplicable rigidity of Christian morality. Oh and while you’re at it, how the morality justifies zero lack of due process.

It is apparent you have no understanding here.

I’ll take my ‘worldly’ real life experience over a mind that lives in the bubble of ideals.