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JimG
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I don’t think anyone has actually polled Muslim women as to what they think about this law. Some–many?–most?–may favor it. But no Muslim woman could answer the question truthfully in the presence of her husband.
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Beau_Ouiville
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The subject was France. Is this tit for tat or two wrongs making a right?
I don’t see how. They have a constitution and Muslims are vastly outnumbered.
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momor
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I disagree. They are opposite ends of the spectrum and both are too extreme.
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momor
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The Muslims who veil their women would appear to agree with you in the extreme. Even the face excites them to thoughts of fornication apparently, but wait…the men go about their business among the western dressed women, so kind of blows that theory. Maybe it’s more about subjugation and protecting their property.
As far as the burqa, I find it just as offensive and out of place as a string bikini at the grocery store, only for different reasons.
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qui_est_ce
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It almost makes you wonder what the purpose of these outfits is?
The traditional chador is held closed by the woman’s hand. This leaves her with only one hand with which to conduct business.
The burqua covers the entire body and has a screen over the woman’s eyes, limiting her vision.
The entire effect is not only grotesque, but it handicaps and marginalizes women.
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Lycorth
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France is not their home - I meant their ethnic home, not where they happened to emerge from a birth canal.
The law is not unjust. France is a Catholic country by dint of its founding as one and therefore ought to conform to Catholic law/practice/etc. Burqas are part of the law of a false religion and deserve no protection.
Of course it was unjust for the Turks to dare tell the Vicar of Christ what to wear. That should be self-evident.
European countries are forced to submit to Muslim demands all the time. Every time Muslims riot or stage an angry protest, Europeans bend under the pressure. Their Crusader ancestors must be rolling in their graves.
The few cases where Europeans defy Muslim bullying are to be lauded. At least that much fight is left in Europe.
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Kuan_Yin
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Isn’t this of a security concern? Having one’s face completely covered in public? Who
knows who is under there??
Also I don’t see the relation between a Nun’s or a Sister’s habit and the burqa and/or the hajib. Habits don’t cover the face, even the full habit/wimple. Also I believe habits to be of a religious nature therefore anyone should be free to practice their religion anywhere (at least in the USA). However I believe burquas and hajib to be cultural and not religious, as evidenced by non-Muslim woman forced to wear them when in certain countries in the Middle East such as Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. Also Nuns and Sisters choose ( or are called) to live that lifestyle whereas many Middle Eastern women (Muslim or not) are forced by men to wear a face veil.
As a side note, I live in a neighborhood where we see many Sisters (not Nuns) in full habit and there is something comforting to me seeing them and even chatting with them. However when I see someone in a burqua, I get a disturbing feeling. I don’t mean a woman in a head scarf, but the full on face veil is just creepy.
knows who is under there??
Also I don’t see the relation between a Nun’s or a Sister’s habit and the burqa and/or the hajib. Habits don’t cover the face, even the full habit/wimple. Also I believe habits to be of a religious nature therefore anyone should be free to practice their religion anywhere (at least in the USA). However I believe burquas and hajib to be cultural and not religious, as evidenced by non-Muslim woman forced to wear them when in certain countries in the Middle East such as Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. Also Nuns and Sisters choose ( or are called) to live that lifestyle whereas many Middle Eastern women (Muslim or not) are forced by men to wear a face veil.
As a side note, I live in a neighborhood where we see many Sisters (not Nuns) in full habit and there is something comforting to me seeing them and even chatting with them. However when I see someone in a burqua, I get a disturbing feeling. I don’t mean a woman in a head scarf, but the full on face veil is just creepy.
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Rich_Olszewski
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France hasn’t claimed to be a Catholic country since the French Revolution. It’s been secular ever since.
Go tell the Pope he’s wrong. The Catechism says that they pray to the same God that we do.
He wasn’t the Pope then, just Angelo Roncalli. Any Head of State, not as any sort of vicar, could not be told by any other country what to wear or not to wear.
Unsupportable hyperbole.
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ChadS
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What does this even mean? What exactly is an “ethnic home.” I’m an American, but my family is primarily of German descent. Does that mean I should go back to Germany, perhaps Scotland?
Plus you just seem to forget that human populations are incredibly mobile and I’m sure even among Arab populations there are groups that have moved between borders and different areas all the time. So even there it’s probably nearly impossible to determine what an exact “ethnic home” is.
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rjparson
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So…France should be more like Saudi Arabia?
Wow. And what exactly is an “ethnic home”? Are you just being bigoted or did I miss that part of Western Civilization? I hear Helen Thomas has a lot of free time now, maybe you two can get together and congratulate yourselves on not being some kinda funny religion.
Only a few hundred women in France wear these. The French government needed a distraction from economic problems and all of you are playing along.
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Lycorth
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I know that it went secular at that time - my meaning is that France began as a Catholic nation and hence ought to remain.
Technically, the same god - practically, a different one. Any idiot knows the difference.
Ah, good point on his status. Even so, no Turk gets to tell a Christian what to wear.
To you, maybe.
It means where the majority of your ancestors come from. Germany, in your case.
Human populations are not incredibly mobile, except for nomadic tribes. Nomadic times are behind us; humans mostly settle in fixed places for long periods. “Ethnic homes” can be determined if an individual has sufficient knowledge of his or her ethnic background. It’s simple, really - just ask the Israelis.
In terms of this, yes. It’s like citing Mexican immigration law for a better example of how American border policy can be. It’s not saying “make America more like Mexico”, just that Mexican law in that case is superior.
Because I’m White I don’t get to have ethnically-based ideas? Who’s the racist, now?
An ethnic home is where people of one’s ethnicity have their homeland. Like Poland is the ethnic home of the Poles or Israel is the ethnic home of the Jews.
No, it’s a just response to the creeping Islamicization of Europe. Good on the French.
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Beau_Ouiville
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That’s an imperialist viewpoint. Surely French citizens can call France their home? Like all ethnicities in the US?
I disagree.
Now, being a freedom-loving American I cannot but wonder at your remarks. I thought there was freedom of religion in France, if the garb denotes any religion.
Well, he wasn’t pope then. You let France tell folks what to wear but the Turks could not do that in Turkey? How inconsistent!
It serves those imperialists right.
Can’t we all get along?
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bbarrick8383
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Just went to town to fill my wifes car up with gas. As I was entering the building I noticed a sticker on the front door that said “Remove Hoods Before Entering”. I’ve been in that place 1,000 times and I’d never noticed it had it not been for this thread. Wonder if we will ever see a sign that includes Burqa’s as well. Someone said it was not religious garb, then a store owner would be able to ask them to leave or remove it wouldn’t they?
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Rich_Olszewski
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Hmmm. Could Franciscans shop there?
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bbarrick8383
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LOL, considering the location there is no telling what the clerk would do if a group of Franciscans walked in. There is a pretty good chance they have never seen a nun in real life much less a monk.Hmmm. Could Franciscans shop there?
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adstrinity
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What’s the difference between Islam telling women they have to cover fully and Catholic men telling women they should wear dresses & skirts ONLY because pants on women are a sin, hmmmm? I’m just saying, I find it…mmmm, -]ammusing/-], -]ironic/-], -]hypocritical/-], self-righteous that so many men want to take up women’s oppression in one instance but cannot get the log out of their eye in the other.
France. They’ve banned wearing a crucifix and the yarmulke’s as well, haven’t they (not at the same time, of course)? This is bad because France is more like China suppressing rights instead of giving people a choice. The people the police would have no choice but to persecute a woman wearing a religious symbol of her faith.
France. They’ve banned wearing a crucifix and the yarmulke’s as well, haven’t they (not at the same time, of course)? This is bad because France is more like China suppressing rights instead of giving people a choice. The people the police would have no choice but to persecute a woman wearing a religious symbol of her faith.
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Rich_Olszewski
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LOL! Who’d say that? My sister, my daughter, and my mother would put a man who said that to them in his place in an instant.
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