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CopticChristian
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Bradski,
Why this pleases you is something only you know. It should make for an interesting endeavor. I am grateful to be on board.
California governor OKs ban on gay conversion therapy, calling it 'quackery'
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Why this pleases you is something only you know. It should make for an interesting endeavor. I am grateful to be on board.
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severus68
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No response is needed to this. It reveals the seriousness of the threat to our culture from the “gay” lobby.
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severus68
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So you are a doctor and a lawyer?
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CopticChristian
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Severus,
No, I don’t think you understand medical legal work. I spent 5 years working with Lawyers writing reports, advising me how to draft reports that would stand up in court through what is called independent medical evaluations. I learned that all documents written in the office should be written as if going to court. I then independently launched and successfully performed independent evaluations that were used by Lawyers. I also reviewed records for many years for insurance companies. Many law offices use Nurses to review records and advise lawyers. I spent 30 years in court, depositions, defending patients in the work comp arena and physicians in malpractice. Consultants review records, provide suggestions for course of action and suggest potential experts for testimony. Consultants provide nuances that aid lawyers in painting the truth.
Does the AMA represent all Physicians, as has been suggested? No.
Did the American Psychiatric Association overwhelming decide to remove homosexuality from the DSM? No.
Has anyone proved that gender is fixed, in particular homosexuality? No.
Providing this information is useful in court.
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Kevin_B
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You act like conversion therapy is new, that it is some treatment which has yet to be exploited fully.
It is not. It has been around for decades. And the scientific community at large gas yet to accept it. Why? Because it has an abysmal cure rate, and a high likelihood of mental trauma. Even those who are “cured” often revert back to homosexuality. There is a reason why, decades after this therapy was introduced, it is still only being done by fringe groups. It is the same reason homeopathy is only done by fringe groups. It doesn’t work.
I love how you cite one man as speaking for the entire APA.
It is not. It has been around for decades. And the scientific community at large gas yet to accept it. Why? Because it has an abysmal cure rate, and a high likelihood of mental trauma. Even those who are “cured” often revert back to homosexuality. There is a reason why, decades after this therapy was introduced, it is still only being done by fringe groups. It is the same reason homeopathy is only done by fringe groups. It doesn’t work.
I love how you cite one man as speaking for the entire APA.
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Entangled
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NO comment. Since I worked in a Psych hospital for 5 years and saw what was actually happening, been a patient and saw the door close behind me saying I can’t get out, and being on meds myself and therapy and helping anyone I can see who has a mental and emotional problem.
I really must be nuts, right? Having Faith in God, and receiving treatment? Obviously I must be on the wrong track…
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Kevin_B
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I mean, you are facing the classic problem most conspiracy theorists face. You want to believe that the entire APA is corrupt, so you are willing to unquestioningly believe one man who says it is, despite him providing no real evidence. Such a claim as this would be laughed out of court, that you honestly expect us to believe that the entire APA is corrupt, that no one in it believes what the organization says, but yet only a very small handful of people have actually said anything about it.
If the opposite was true, if one man claimed that everyone in the APA supported their stance on conversion therapy and homosexuality, you would claim that person was paid off by the lgbt lobby. You suffer from confirmation bias, as do all believers in conspiracy theories. You are willing to settle for little evidence because it supports what you want to be true. Whenever you present evidence, you should always ask yourself “if someone presented this evidence to prove my position wrong, would I accept it?”. If the answer is no, you suffer from confirmation bias. So I ask you: if I quoted one man who claimed to speak for the entire APA and he said that most members agree with their stance on these issues, would you accept that evidence? Only you can answer that question, but I would strongly feel the answer would be “no”
If the opposite was true, if one man claimed that everyone in the APA supported their stance on conversion therapy and homosexuality, you would claim that person was paid off by the lgbt lobby. You suffer from confirmation bias, as do all believers in conspiracy theories. You are willing to settle for little evidence because it supports what you want to be true. Whenever you present evidence, you should always ask yourself “if someone presented this evidence to prove my position wrong, would I accept it?”. If the answer is no, you suffer from confirmation bias. So I ask you: if I quoted one man who claimed to speak for the entire APA and he said that most members agree with their stance on these issues, would you accept that evidence? Only you can answer that question, but I would strongly feel the answer would be “no”
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CopticChristian
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Kevin,
Here is where the rubber meets the road.
Who or what is the Scientific Community you speak of? Name them.
Are you quoting what you describe as cure rates from reading the original and subsequent reports or are you quoting someone that says that their is an abysmal cure rate.
If you want to produce the literature you reviewed and go through it with me let me know.
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CopticChristian
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Kevin,
I have provided my experience in the medical legal arena. Do you have court experience? Have you testified as an expert witness? Have you been deposed? Have you worked closely with lawyers. Provide the evidence based on your legal experience where the humor in court opinions come from based on your experience.
Do you often speculate and conclude on something that is hypothetical and then dialogue based on an assumption?
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snowguru
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Coptic Christian, it’d be right to say that those who oppose therapy to try to help homosexuals and lesbians become straight would be against this even if it becomes 100% successful because they’re apologists for gay/lesbian sexual behaviors. Peter J. LaBarbera told me that he got condemned by others even Christians after he copied and pasted G.A.G.A. where gays/lesbians wrote about how childhood sex abuse especially homosexual rape had damaged them and why they think it’s reason they do gay/lesbian sexual behaviors. The homosexuals and lesbians who posted there did it anonymously because they likely don’t want to be harassed by gay/lesbian groups for telling ugly truths about why gay/lesbian sexual conduct happens.
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Bradski
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That would be everyone on the planet, remember? Including the Chinese, which you graciously submitted yourself.
Edit: Apologies. When I said everyone, I do accept that there are some organisations in some countries that do not. Some of those would be the Iranian Psychological Association, the Algerian Psychiatric Society, the Libyan Association of Psychological Health, the Zimbabwe Psychological Association, the Zambian Psychological Association, the Botswana Association for Psychological rehabilitation, the Kuwaiti Psychiatric Society, the Saudi Educational and Psychological Association. The Department of Psychiatry, Burma etc.
You should give them a ring, Coptic. They could help prepare your case. Here’s the number for the Iranians to get you started: +98-21-2218-0150, +98-21-2202-9940. Ask for Dr. Gholam Ali Afrooz.
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CopticChristian
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Brad,
You may want to spend some time reading court documents, watching court TV, Judge Judy and the like and understand that Societies are not the equivalent of the Scientific Community by necessity. This case is being tried in California.
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CopticChristian
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Daddy,
There was once a man that lived as a black man to determine what it was like to be black. His intention was to understand the black experience.
One man that is bothered by same sex attraction, wants to seek help, gets help and then explains that experience…
is a far cry
From one man that is not bothered with same sex attraction, is dishonest in private counseling, does not want help, and then writes about the experience…
does not equate…
The experience of the first man is an attempt to understand and report that experience although he is not black and never will be black…attempting to provide information for himself and others is useful.
The experience of dishonesty, not wanting help with the intention to report that experience is nothing more than the reporting of a dishonest experience.
Entrapment by law enforcement is illegal, as you know…what the reporter did was akin to entrapment in my opinion as I see it…
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Kevin_B
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So you honestly expect me to believe that, if one man came into court and reported to represent 10,000 men with no evidence that he represents them, the court would accept him without asking him to show any proof at all?
What Mickey mouse courtroom were you working in which had such laughable standards of evidence?
I mean, if that’s really the only evidence you require to prove a case, then fine. I represent the entire APA. They have told me to tell you that every single doctor in their organization except the fellow you mentioned agrees with their stance on conversion therapy.
Sounds silly? Of course it is. But that is exactly what you are asking me to believe. You are giving me the opinion of one man and asking me to unquestioningly accept the fact that he speaks for the entire APA, despite him showing no evidence for that claim.
Know what I think? I think he is a liar. I think he represents a very small percentage of psychiatrists in this country. Feel free to prove me wrong. I have yet to come across a conspiracy theory that turned out to be true, and I doubt this will be the first. But I will accept any actual evidence you have that this man represents a majority of doctors and admit that the conspiracy exists.
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CopticChristian
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Kevin,
You just don’t understand. Opinions are based on Knoweldge, Training, Experience…there are in the community many that have opinions that are contrary. As I recall there may be over 3,000
You only need 1/3,810 that know the literature, has experience and is willing to voice an opinion. In court all you have to prove is probablity not certainty.
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Kevin_B
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That vote was taken 40 years ago. I guess i’ll clarify:
So you have any evidence that the majority of doctors in the APA today disagree with the organization’s stance on the issue? I would have thought it was clear we were not talking about events 40 years ago, but I guess it was not.
I could care less how people felt about the issue 40 years ago, because doing so ignores all scientific advances made in that period of time. So far the only evidence you have given is the statement by one man, who has shown no evidence that he represents anyone except himself and perhaps a small group of followers. You have shown me ZERO evidence that the majority of doctors in the APA disagree with their stance on conversion therapy.
Also, a list of some organizations which agree conversion therapy is ineffective and/or dangerous:
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy
American Counseling Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
National Association of School Psychologists
American Academy of Physician Assistants.
Let me guess: all of those have been infiltrated by the lgbt conspiracy as well. How convenient.
So you have any evidence that the majority of doctors in the APA today disagree with the organization’s stance on the issue? I would have thought it was clear we were not talking about events 40 years ago, but I guess it was not.
I could care less how people felt about the issue 40 years ago, because doing so ignores all scientific advances made in that period of time. So far the only evidence you have given is the statement by one man, who has shown no evidence that he represents anyone except himself and perhaps a small group of followers. You have shown me ZERO evidence that the majority of doctors in the APA disagree with their stance on conversion therapy.
Also, a list of some organizations which agree conversion therapy is ineffective and/or dangerous:
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy
American Counseling Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
National Association of School Psychologists
American Academy of Physician Assistants.
Let me guess: all of those have been infiltrated by the lgbt conspiracy as well. How convenient.
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Bradski
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Been there, Kevin. And, believe it or not, the answer you will get is: Yes.
People who think that homosexuality is abnormal will harp on until their gums bleed about gay infiltration of the AMA over 40 years ago and will then (you will laugh at this, I promise) try to tell you that any organisation that has any expertise in the matter has also been victim of the ‘Gay Agenda’.
That’s all the organisations in Western Civilisation. All of them. Every single one. No exceptions. None at all. They’ve all bent to the will of the ‘Homosexual Lobby’ and the ‘Liberal Media’.
Imagine if they all supported Coptic’s view and we had just one small organisation that disagreed with it. He’d be pointing out the rank stupidity of anyone who would even attempt to argue on such a basis. He seems to not understand this.
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CopticChristian
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Kevin,
You still don’t understand. The APA does not speak for all physicians. If there is an opinion then the question will be, how was that opinion formed? This is about all I can say.
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