California Latinos fearful after immigration raids

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Are you impling the immigrants make U.S. Laws? Does the U.S. Congress decide what is legal or do the immigrants hold that power? Can you document your statements concerning immigrant beliefs?
Your post really makes no sense to me. I cannot see where you came to such a conslusion based on anything I have said and maybe it is YOU who should document. I cannot understand your “reasoning.”:confused:

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Why should they be rewarded with legal status when they came here illegally? There are no justifications when the law is broken.

It’s not a “reward” to allow a process that was denied for no JUST reason. Were those that escaped Slavery in the South rewarded for breaking the law with “Freedom”? Or, was Slavery wrong to begin with?
 
Are you impling the immigrants make U.S. Laws? Does the U.S. Congress decide what is legal or do the immigrants hold that power? Can you document your statements concerning immigrant beliefs?
By the same reasoning legislatures are responsible for murderers being criminals because they enact the laws against murder. It is always more convenient to pass the buck than accept responsibility. Those who walk on the wrong side of the law entangle their lives and the lives of their loved ones.
Close "*legislatures are responsible for murderers being criminals because they enact the laws against -]murder/-] *certain circumstances in which humans are killed. That is why abortion is legal and why solders can shoot certain people in a war. Notice some circumstances as abortion were both legal and illegal depending on when the event occurred not what the event was. Same for migration on the North American continent, which scientists believe has been occurring for 10,000 years but has been illegal for how long? about 100 years maybe less. As for passing the buck that is between you and your legal abortion friends, they have the law on their side, but I do not wish to join them or you on your legal ground. Hope that help you
 
Are you impling the immigrants make U.S. Laws? Does the U.S. Congress decide what is legal or do the immigrants hold that power? Can you document your statements concerning immigrant beliefs?
Your post really makes no sense to me. I cannot see where you came to such a conslusion based on anything I have said and maybe it is YOU who should document. I cannot understand your “reasoning.”:confused:

:heart:Blyss
How convenient, lets try this - Do you know what a W.O.P and G.I.N.Y. W.O.P are?
 
. As for passing the buck that is** between you and your legal abortion friends**, they have the law on their side, but I do not wish to join them or you on your legal ground.
I don’t appreciate the slander, but if you can justify breaking the law, what’s a little mud-slinging. Perhaps if you are ever a crime victim and listen to the lame excuses people give, you will learn a little more respect for the law. The law must not be up to individual interpretation or it is meaningless. The drunk drive that kills the family? He can’t help himself. The robbery that breaks in and slaughters everyone to steal a television.? He can’t help his drug problem. The law should allow his crack-smoking carcass have his fix.

It is the same. To choose one law to ignore gives everybody the right to choose which laws to ignore.
 
I don’t appreciate the slander, but if you can justify breaking the law, what’s a little mud-slinging. Perhaps if you are ever a crime victim and listen to the lame excuses people give, you will learn a little more respect for the law. The law must not be up to individual interpretation or it is meaningless. The drunk drive that kills the family? He can’t help himself. The robbery that breaks in and slaughters everyone to steal a television.? He can’t help his drug problem. The law should allow his crack-smoking carcass have his fix.

It is the same. To choose one law to ignore gives everybody the right to choose which laws to ignore.
umh how many additional crimes would I need? So which is it are you respecting (supporting) legal abortion? or do you choose your laws? The differnce is right and wrong, abortion is wrong regardless of if it is legal. The current treatment of immigrants is wrong regardless of if it is legal. Drunk driving, slaughtering people, and killing families are wrong regardless of if it is legal. If you make a law requiring people to drive drunk I am against that also.
 
How convenient, lets try this - Do you know what a W.O.P and G.I.N.Y. W.O.P are?
MODERATORS…these are slurs against immigrants. There should be no place for slurs of this type in this forum.😦

:heart:Blyss
 
Close "*legislatures are responsible for murderers being criminals because they enact the laws against -]murder/-] *certain circumstances in which humans are killed. That is why abortion is legal and why solders can shoot certain people in a war. Notice some circumstances as abortion were both legal and illegal depending on when the event occurred not what the event was. Same for migration on the North American continent, which scientists believe has been occurring for 10,000 years but has been illegal for how long? about 100 years maybe less. As for passing the buck that is between you and your legal abortion friends, they have the law on their side, but I do not wish to join them or you on your legal ground. Hope that help you
What do these have to do with illgeal immigration? I think you are reaching…

:heart:Blyss
 
umh how many additional crimes would I need? So which is it are you respecting (supporting) legal abortion? or do you choose your laws? The differnce is right and wrong, abortion is wrong regardless of if it is legal. The current treatment of immigrants is wrong regardless of if it is legal. Drunk driving, slaughtering people, and killing families are wrong regardless of if it is legal. If you make a law requiring people to drive drunk I am against that also.
Surely you do not equate laws against abortion…the killing of innocent lives before birth with keeping people out of this country who do not belong here. Just because you say they belong here doesn not mean that they do. There are processes to be followed and they should have to stand in line like everyone else. If you feel the law is wrong…try to get it changed and if you are unable to do so…then live with it.

:heart:Blyss
 
Surely you do not equate laws against abortion…
Actually, that is closer to your position, it is not mine. If you believe one should follow and support all laws as currently written then abortion is in your group of supported issues.
the killing of innocent lives before birth with keeping people out of this country who do not belong here.
Says who? Who says which people belong and which do not?
Just because you say they belong here doesn not mean that they do.
How many times have you been asked to document these types of statement? many, many, many, yet you never can. This is an irresponsible statement, and as always, with out documentation. By the way your accusation is wrong.
There are processes to be followed and they should have to stand in line like everyone else. If you feel the law is wrong…try to get it changed and if you are unable to do so…then live with it.
:heart:Blyss
What are you writing about? Which process in this thread involves standing in line? Are you implying it is legal to cross the border then get in line?
 
Actually, that is closer to your position, it is not mine. If you believe one should follow and support all laws as currently written then abortion is in your group of supported issues. Says who? Who says which people belong and which do not? How many times have you been asked to document these types of statement? many, many, many, yet you never can. This is an irresponsible statement, and as always, with out documentation. By the way your accusation is wrong. What are you writing about? Which process in this thread involves standing in line? Are you implying it is legal to cross the border then get in line?
Listen up! I do not approve of abortion and before you slander me on this forum, you better back up what you say. When I say back it up you better be able to provide post number and direct quote!!:mad: As for abortion…the law is the law and I do not agree with it. The law should be changed, but until then it is the law.

Who does NOT belong here? Oh, that is easy…one who is not a natural born citizen…a legal resident or a naturalized citizen. A person who comes across the border ILLEGALLY does not belong here. Why should I provide proof to back that up…anyone with a lick of common sense knows that…or do you still need proof?

People who are here illegally should be sent home and then have to go to the back of the line.

:heart:Blyss
 
umh how many additional crimes would I need? So which is it are you respecting (supporting) legal abortion? or do you choose your laws?
I have not ever had an abortion. I also have never not had an abortion. If this makes no sense, it is because your comparison makes no sense. It is not like there is a law demanding an abortion in certain circumstances. One can fight against abortion legalization without breaking any laws, so why is there any comparison?
 
Listen up! I do not approve of abortion and before you slander me on this forum, you better back up what you say. When I say back it up you better be able to provide post number and direct quote!!:mad: As for abortion…the law is the law and I do not agree with it. The law should be changed, but until then it is the law.

Who does NOT belong here? Oh, that is easy…one who is not a natural born citizen…a legal resident or a naturalized citizen. A person who comes across the border ILLEGALLY does not belong here. Why should I provide proof to back that up…anyone with a lick of common sense knows that…or do you still need proof?

People who are here illegally should be sent home and then have to go to the back of the line.

:heart:Blyss
In your Post #37 you wrote “*We are not criminalizing anyone…they do that themselves.” *which you have been asked about repeatedly. Yet you spin and spin rather than answer any questions. Second in Post #67 you wrote “*Just because ***you say ***they belong here doesn not mean that they do.” *another statement you will now have to run from. So all the personal attacks are clearly just attempts to escape your own statements. That is why the repeated requests to you to document your writings.
 
By the same reasoning legislatures are responsible for murderers being criminals because they enact the laws against murder. It is always more convenient to pass the buck than accept responsibility. Those who walk on the wrong side of the law entangle their lives and the lives of their loved ones.
I don’t appreciate the slander, but if you can justify breaking the law, what’s a little mud-slinging. Perhaps if you are ever a crime victim and listen to the lame excuses people give, you will learn a little more respect for the law. The law must not be up to individual interpretation or it is meaningless. The drunk drive that kills the family? He can’t help himself. The robbery that breaks in and slaughters everyone to steal a television.? He can’t help his drug problem. The law should allow his crack-smoking carcass have his fix.

It is the same. To choose one law to ignore gives everybody the right to choose which laws to ignore.
I have not ever had an abortion. I also have never not had an abortion. If this makes no sense, it is because your comparison makes no sense. It is not like there is a law demanding an abortion in certain circumstances. One can fight against abortion legalization without breaking any laws, so why is there any comparison?
You are not being slandered at all. I simply ask you to live what you preach. If the law is always right thus people like me (and american revolution leaders, Martin Luther King, and million of others) are " Those who walk on the wrong side of the law entangle their lives and the lives of their loved ones" and we " pass the buck [rather] than accept responsibility" that is fine I enjoy the company. However if the law is always right then those great minds which over turned the “laws” which banned abortion are what to you? Oh but wait are you allowed to answer as that may seem to be disobeying the law or it’s spirit?
 
In your Post #37 you wrote “*We are not criminalizing anyone…they do that themselves.” *which you have been asked about repeatedly. Yet you spin and spin rather than answer any questions. Second in Post #67 you wrote “*Just because ***you say ****they belong here doesn not mean that they do.” another statement you will now have to run from. So all the personal attacks are clearly just attempts to escape your own statements. That is why the repeated requests to you to document your writings.
I think my comments are pretty self-explanatory.

1)…We do not criminalize illegals…***they do that THEMSELVES…***the minute they cross the border into this country. They made the choice…we did not make it for them. We did not force them, to break the laws and become criminals…they do that themselves.

2)…You feel the illegals have a “right” to be here. They do not…unless they come through legal channels…how many times do you have to have that same phrase repeated to you?

3)…I have made no personal attacks…and if you feel I have…better prove it with the post…lets see it. On the other hand…you have come quite close yourself.

4)…I stand by any statement I have made:D

5)…If you cannot tell by now after all these posts, I run from nothing and I am firm in my positions.

Sorry…if you cannot deal with it…

:heart:Blyss
 
. However if the law is always right then those great minds which over turned the “laws” which banned abortion are what to you? Oh but wait are you allowed to answer as that may seem to be disobeying the law or it’s spirit?
Abortion has*** WHAT*** to do with the topic of illegal immigration?:confused:

:heart:Blyss
 
If the law is always right thus people like me (and american revolution leaders, Martin Luther King, and million of others) are " Those who walk on the wrong side of the law entangle their lives and the lives of their loved ones" and we " pass the buck [rather] than accept responsibility" that is fine I enjoy the company. However if the law is always right …
I never said the law was always right and it should not be over turned. I disagree with the immigration law now. Unlike Blyss, I would like to see the borders freed-up with no more than an identification and tracking process. I am in favor of unlimited immigration and citizenship numbers. I vote accordingly. That does not mean I would violate a law just because I disagree with it, but only that I would work to change it. Martin Luther King, Jr. is a model for legal protest.

I also understand the need for violating laws that are contrary to basic moral law. I asked Ituyu a while back to define the basic moral principle that gives one the right to live in one place as opposed to another. I fail to see this issue as rising to that high of a criteria.

As to your examples, I see the civil rights movement as meeting this standard easier than the American Revolution did.
 
I never said the law was always right and it should not be over turned. I disagree with the immigration law now. Unlike Blyss, I would like to see the borders freed-up with no more than an identification and tracking process. I am in favor of unlimited immigration and citizenship numbers. I vote accordingly. That does not mean I would violate a law just because I disagree with it, but only that I would work to change it. Martin Luther King, Jr. is a model for legal protest.

I also understand the need for violating laws that are contrary to basic moral law. I asked Ituyu a while back to define the basic moral principle that gives one the right to live in one place as opposed to another. I fail to see this issue as rising to that high of a criteria.

As to your examples, I see the civil rights movement as meeting this standard easier than the American Revolution did.
You may find this an interesting read :
nobelprizes.com/nobel/peace/MLK-jail.html

pnewton this whole side issue comes from a common misconception that the law makes it right. That is why some have the other issue pushed on them. Once they realize making it legal or illegal is not the same as whether it was right or wrong that issue can be dismissed. Maybe that is where we are now.
 
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