California Latinos fearful after immigration raids

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Who can better judge this me or you?
Then…am I wrong to assume those are your feelings from what I have seen you post? You do not believe then that ALL illegals who make their way into this country can and should be allowed to stay? Where am i wrong here?:confused:

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I also understand the need for violating laws that are contrary to basic moral law. I asked Ituyu a while back to define the basic moral principle that gives one the right to live in one place as opposed to another. I fail to see this issue as rising to that high of a criteria.
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There is never a reason to disobey a law. If you don’t like the law…then you get it changed or attempt to. What kind of country would we have if we picked and choose what law we want to obey and which ones we choose to disobey. We are supposed to be a country of laws.

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Then…am I wrong to assume those are your feelings from what I have seen you post? You do not believe then that ALL illegals who make their way into this country can and should be allowed to stay? Where am i wrong here?:confused:

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Tex…no answers from you here…

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2)…You feel the illegals have a “right” to be here. …
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Blyss
Who can better judge this me or you?
Then…am I wrong to assume those are your feelings from what I have seen you post? You do not believe then that ALL illegals who make their way into this country can and should be allowed to stay? Where am i wrong here?:confused:

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Again no answers
You are being redundant. You obviously cannot support your argument…so you want to go around in circles…have fun…
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Tex…no answers from you here…

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There is never a reason to disobey a law.
There are many good examples of disobeying the law being the moral course of action. Without grading my spelling, Shadrack, Meshiak and Abbednigo; Daniel; St. Paul; St. Peter, all come to mind. We also have the example of St. Thomas More and our own founding fathers. In some countries today where Chirstianity is persecuted, one can either dny their faith or disobey the law. It is not unrealistic to see the need to disobey civil law. I just do not see why crossing the border at a spot other than a legal crossing would rise to this level of morality.

A link above by Texas Roofer links to a letter by MLK fro Birmingham jail. The difference between him and the subject of the thread is that he was not all up in arms about the jailing, just the law. If we were to make a comparison to MLK, then an illegal alien, or group, would cross in broad daylight knowing they would be jailed as a means of protest. They wouldn’t run. They wouldn’t blame the police. They would have my respect for their willingness to stand up for their beliefs. That is the MLK way.
 
There is never a reason to disobey a law. If you don’t like the law…then you get it changed or attempt to. What kind of country would we have if we picked and choose what law we want to obey and which ones we choose to disobey. We are supposed to be a country of laws.
This is the heart of the Legal Positivism I keep talking about.

The reason it’s a rubbish philosophy is that it only works when there are just laws. The Nazi guards who were “only following orders” could not be condemned with this line of thought. They should have obeyed, because the law of their military said to obey orders. Kill families? No problem. The Nuremberg Trials were wrong, and most (if not all) of the Nazis should have walked away scott-free. Being ordered to commit atrocities is not a reason to disobey the law. Rosa Parks? Dead wrong, and her place is in the slammer. The Underground Railroad? They should have been imprisoned as well. The family hiding Anne Frank? Whatever punishment the state assigns is just.

Do you really want to take that side?

The reason I keep harping on your posts is that you also claimed that you believed in the mythical Social Contract. John Locke, in Two Treatises on Government, said that the “right to rebellion” was an inalienable right; and lest you forget, it’s Locke who invented the Social Contract. According to Positivism, this is nonsense - there is “never a reason to disobey a law”. Either you believe in the Social Contract, or you’re a Positivist – you can’t have it both ways (although you can have it neither). And as far as being “a country of laws” ("…, not men" is the rest of the quote), that is true in so far as it goes; do not forget, however, that we became a “country of laws” through revolution and rebellion. The founders of this country wanted us to retain that ability (see: Declaration of Independence, several state constitutions, many Supreme Court decisions), and I think we should respect that. Your bold assertion that there’s never a reason to disobey the law is simply un-American.

I do wish you would pick one legal philosophy and stay with it. This pick-and-choose mishmash from contradictory legal philosophies is quite difficult to respect as a form of argument.
 
Do you really want to take that side?

The reason I keep harping on your post…
I do wish you would pick one legal philosophy and stay with it. This pick-and-choose mishmash from contradictory legal philosophies is quite difficult to respect as a form of argument.
Hmmm…Peter…I think this is the first time I have seen you post on this thread, are you here under a new alias? *😉 *
I have stated through out this thread that I feel that we need to change the laws and not break them. I remain firm in that position.

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Hmmm…Peter…I think this is the first time I have seen you post on this thread, are you here under a new alias? *😉 *
I have stated through out this thread that I feel that we need to change the laws and not break them. I remain firm in that position.
My apologies - I had your posts confused with Mirdath’s.
 
This thread has been going nowhere for a few days. Thank you to all who participated, this thread is now closed.

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