Calling all former Muslims!

[cathopologist]

Americanrevert, planten and all the other recently summoned minnows from pro-Islamic sites can give us their comment also.

 

[po18guy]

I hope brother Planten that the answer by our brother Angelos satisfied you, I hope you are asking such questions to learn and discover the true religion.:hug1:

Sam_777, I asked Psalter to read your inspiring posts about Christ coming into your heart. Great to see you here! Praise God!

Christ’s peace.

 

[morning_star777]

Hey my dear brother! :hug1:

Long time, no see. You are finally here.
Please write your conversion story too. We all are equally precious in our Lord’s sight. He talks to our hearts in different languages to convey the same truth.

Thank you brother for remembering me.actually i lost my privacy a little because for Eid lots of Relatives come to my house and they will celebrate this years Eid here.and from today afternoon i will totally lose my privacy maybe because some one of my same aged cousin will come and maybe i have to share my room with him,because lots of relatives came, so i will lose my privacy totally for a week.but when they will go maybe after a week then my privacy will be back again.and then i will write my conversion story in brief if you all friends want and if i shall alive(human being can die anytime).Jesus bless you brother and all friends,.:hug1:

 

[morning_star777]

**

You have mentioned the violent verses in the Quran. You have the bible OT. Are there any violent verses in that Book? Yes or NO. If “Yes” then what did you do about those verses. In those verses they did not even spare the women and children. Please be kind and honest and balanced person.**

Can you show me a single verse from OT about violence?i mean can you show me a verse where God ordered to kill people where ever they found?can you show me where in bible God says,go kill people neither I will punish you?if you can show then please show us.we are dying for your answer.Remember please,bible describs some battle story or some cruel story but those are the cruelity of men and society but God never said in bible that Go and kill,but your allah ordered that and if you will not obey the order of allah then allah will punish you.so please do not compare your scripture with bible.they are totally different things.thank you

 

[planten]

Can you show me a single verse from OT about violence?i mean can you show me a verse where God ordered to kill people where ever they found?can you show me where in bible God says,go kill people neither I will punish you?if you can show then please show us.we are dying for your answer.Remember please,bible describs some battle story or some cruel story but those are the cruelity of men and society but God never said in bible that Go and kill,but your allah ordered that and if you will not obey the order of allah then allah will punish you.so please do not compare your scripture with bible.they are totally different things.thank you

It is same thing. Soon at the time of Moses even, these were the orders, not to spare any non-Jewish soul, woman or child. It is all there. You can read it yourself. You cannot disown as that coming from men and sitting (written) in holy book. It was a holy order. Please see yourself.

 

[Nicolas]

It is same thing. Soon at the time of Moses even, these were the orders, not to spare any non-Jewish soul, woman or child. It is all there. You can read it yourself. You cannot disown as that coming from men and sitting (written) in holy book. It was a holy order. Please see yourself.

Would you please show us all these verses

 

[planten]

Would you please show us all these verses

**Please open the bible OT and try to read few things after Exodus. You will find all. The great works and conquests of the great people.

If you are a non-christian then I am ready to search and give you those verses, or some one may help. Pardon.**

 

[planten]

** I had to open the bible OT and here it is, the war verses. :**

Judges 1 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

Judges 1
Israel Fights the Remaining Canaanites
1 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the LORD, “Who will be the first to go up and fight for us against the Canaanites?”
2 The LORD answered, “Judah is to go; I have given the land into their hands.”

3 Then the men of Judah said to the Simeonites their brothers, “Come up with us into the territory allotted to us, to fight against the Canaanites. We in turn will go with you into yours.” So the Simeonites went with them.

4 When Judah attacked, the LORD gave the Canaanites and Perizzites into their hands and they struck down ten thousand men at Bezek. 5 It was there that they found Adoni-Bezek and fought against him, putting to rout the Canaanites and Perizzites. 6 **Adoni-Bezek fled, but they chased him and caught him, and cut off his thumbs and big toes. **
7 Then Adoni-Bezek said, “Seventy kings with their thumbs and big toes cut off have picked up scraps under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them.” They brought him to Jerusalem, and he died there.

8 **The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem also and took it. They put the city to the sword and set it on fire. **

(What a bad show, putting the sacred city to fire?)

9 After that, the men of Judah went down to fight against the Canaanites living in the hill country, the Negev and the western foothills. 10 They advanced against the Canaanites living in Hebron (formerly called Kiriath Arba) and defeated Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai.

11 From there they advanced against the people living in Debir (formerly called Kiriath Sepher). 12 And Caleb said, “I will give my daughter Acsah in marriage to the man who attacks and captures Kiriath Sepher.” 13 Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother, took it; so Caleb gave his daughter Acsah to him in marriage.

14 One day when she came to Othniel, she urged him [a] to ask her father for a field. When she got off her donkey, Caleb asked her, “What can I do for you?”

15 She replied, “Do me a special favor. Since you have given me land in the Negev, give me also springs of water.” Then Caleb gave her the upper and lower springs.

16 The descendants of Moses’ father-in-law, the Kenite, went up from the City of Palms ** with the men of Judah to live among the people of the Desert of Judah in the Negev near Arad.

17 Then the men of Judah went with the Simeonites their brothers and attacked the Canaanites living in Zephath, and they totally destroyed [c] the city. Therefore it was called Hormah. [d] 18 The men of Judah also took [e] Gaza, Ashkelon and Ekron—each city with its territory.

19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots. 20 As Moses had promised, Hebron was given to Caleb, who drove from it the three sons of Anak. 21 The Benjamites, however, failed to dislodge the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the Benjamites.

22 Now the house of Joseph attacked Bethel, and the LORD was with them. 23 When they sent men to spy out Bethel (formerly called Luz), 24 the spies saw a man coming out of the city and they said to him, “Show us how to get into the city and we will see that you are treated well.” 25 So he showed them, and they put the city to the sword but spared the man and his whole family. 26 He then went to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city and called it Luz, which is its name to this day.

27 But Manasseh did not drive out the people of Beth Shan or Taanach or Dor or Ibleam or Megiddo and their surrounding settlements, for the Canaanites were determined to live in that land. 28 When Israel became strong, they pressed the Canaanites into forced labor but never drove them out completely. 29 Nor did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, but the Canaanites continued to live there among them. 30 Neither did Zebulun drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron or Nahalol, who remained among them; but they did subject them to forced labor. 31 Nor did Asher drive out those living in Acco or Sidon or Ahlab or Aczib or Helbah or Aphek or Rehob, 32 and because of this the people of Asher lived among the Canaanite inhabitants of the land. 33 Neither did Naphtali drive out those living in Beth Shemesh or Beth Anath; but the Naphtalites too lived among the Canaanite inhabitants of the land, and those living in Beth Shemesh and Beth Anath became forced laborers for them. 34 The Amorites confined the Danites to the hill country, not allowing them to come down into the plain. 35 And the Amorites were determined also to hold out in Mount Heres, Aijalon and Shaalbim, but when the power of the house of Joseph increased, they too were pressed into forced labor. 36 The boundary of the Amorites was from Scorpion [f] Pass to Sela and beyond.**

 

[Angelos]

** I had to open the bible OT and here it is, the war verses. :**

Judges 1 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society

Judges 1
Israel Fights the Remaining Canaanites
1 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the LORD, “Who will be the first to go up and fight for us against the Canaanites?”
2 The LORD answered, “Judah is to go; I have given the land into their hands.”

3 Then the men of Judah said to the Simeonites their brothers, “Come up with us into the territory allotted to us, to fight against the Canaanites. We in turn will go with you into yours.” So the Simeonites went with them.

4 When Judah attacked, the LORD gave the Canaanites and Perizzites into their hands and they struck down ten thousand men at Bezek. 5 It was there that they found Adoni-Bezek and fought against him, putting to rout the Canaanites and Perizzites. 6 **Adoni-Bezek fled, but they chased him and caught him, and cut off his thumbs and big toes. **
7 Then Adoni-Bezek said, “Seventy kings with their thumbs and big toes cut off have picked up scraps under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them.” They brought him to Jerusalem, and he died there.

8 **The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem also and took it. They put the city to the sword and set it on fire. **

(What a bad show, putting the sacred city to fire?)

9 After that, the men of Judah went down to fight against the Canaanites living in the hill country, the Negev and the western foothills. 10 They advanced against the Canaanites living in Hebron (formerly called Kiriath Arba) and defeated Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai.

11 From there they advanced against the people living in Debir (formerly called Kiriath Sepher). 12 And Caleb said, “I will give my daughter Acsah in marriage to the man who attacks and captures Kiriath Sepher.” 13 Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother, took it; so Caleb gave his daughter Acsah to him in marriage.

14 One day when she came to Othniel, she urged him [a] to ask her father for a field. When she got off her donkey, Caleb asked her, “What can I do for you?”

15 She replied, “Do me a special favor. Since you have given me land in the Negev, give me also springs of water.” Then Caleb gave her the upper and lower springs.

16 The descendants of Moses’ father-in-law, the Kenite, went up from the City of Palms ** with the men of Judah to live among the people of the Desert of Judah in the Negev near Arad.

17 Then the men of Judah went with the Simeonites their brothers and attacked the Canaanites living in Zephath, and they totally destroyed [c] the city**. Therefore it was called Hormah. [d] 18 The men of Judah also took [e] Gaza, Ashkelon and Ekron—each city with its territory.

19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots. 20 As Moses had promised, Hebron was given to Caleb, who drove from it the three sons of Anak. 21 The Benjamites, however, failed to dislodge the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the Benjamites.

22 Now the house of Joseph attacked Bethel, and the LORD was with them. 23 When they sent men to spy out Bethel (formerly called Luz), 24 the spies saw a man coming out of the city and they said to him, “Show us how to get into the city and we will see that you are treated well.” 25 So he showed them, and they put the city to the sword but spared the man and his whole family. 26 He then went to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city and called it Luz, which is its name to this day.

27 But Manasseh did not drive out the people of Beth Shan or Taanach or Dor or Ibleam or Megiddo and their surrounding settlements, for the Canaanites were determined to live in that land. 28 When Israel became strong, they pressed the Canaanites into forced labor but never drove them out completely. 29 Nor did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, but the Canaanites continued to live there among them. 30 Neither did Zebulun drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron or Nahalol, who remained among them; but they did subject them to forced labor. 31 Nor did Asher drive out those living in Acco or Sidon or Ahlab or Aczib or Helbah or Aphek or Rehob, 32 and because of this the people of Asher lived among the Canaanite inhabitants of the land. 33 Neither did Naphtali drive out those living in Beth Shemesh or Beth Anath; but the Naphtalites too lived among the Canaanite inhabitants of the land, and those living in Beth Shemesh and Beth Anath became forced laborers for them. 34 The Amorites confined the Danites to the hill country, not allowing them to come down into the plain. 35 And the Amorites were determined also to hold out in Mount Heres, Aijalon and Shaalbim, but when the power of the house of Joseph increased, they too were pressed into forced labor. 36 The boundary of the Amorites was from Scorpion [f] Pass to Sela and beyond.

Probably due to your short memory, you have forgotten to quote the Biblical verses in which God supposedly asks Israel to kill and humiliate all non-Jewish people on earth because of their disbelief. Could you please cite those verses soon? We shall be waiting

 

[Angelos]

Thank you brother for remembering me.actually i lost my privacy a little because for Eid lots of Relatives come to my house and they will celebrate this years Eid here.and from today afternoon i will totally lose my privacy maybe because some one of my same aged cousin will come and maybe i have to share my room with him,because lots of relatives came, so i will lose my privacy totally for a week.but when they will go maybe after a week then my privacy will be back again.and then i will write my conversion story in brief if you all friends want and if i shall alive(human being can die anytime).Jesus bless you brother and all friends,.:hug1:

Thanks for the information. We all shall be waiting for your safe return and amazing conversion story. Take care and all the best until then. :hug1:

 

[cathopologist]

Dear Muslim Woman with oh so little eyes that evade my previous post. Have you read the Qur’an? You think that 3-and-a-half year old girl i mentioned in my previous post was a Jew posing as an Arab? No, it was one of your own cuties. Don’t worry, it is a respectable interview. Please click on the link and watch the video.

Go on, click it: Arabs brainwashed little girls to hate Jews

Then let us all know which version of the Qur’an, Muzammil H. Siddiqi has been reading from?

Gee, i’m beginning to think Muslims are really trying hard to avoid watching this video of the lil’ Arab girl interviewed by an Islamic TV and how the station praises her “impressive” knowledge of how Mohammad was poisoned by a Jewess and that Jews are apes and pigs. Reminds me of when Muslim Woman boasted about memorizing the Qur’an…

planten, Americanrevert, Sister Amy, Muslim Woman, do you think this lil’ girl is a Muslim? How about the entire TV station crew or the entire population who were watching the telecast? Not Muslim or Muslims? Come on now, don’t be shy.

 

[cathopologist]

Gee, i’m beginning to think Muslims are really trying hard to avoid watching this video of the lil’ Arab girl interviewed by an Islamic TV and how the station praises her “impressive” knowledge of how Mohammad was poisoned by a Jewess and that Jews are apes and pigs. Reminds me of when Muslim Woman boasted about memorizing the Qur’an…

planten, Americanrevert, Sister Amy, Muslim Woman, do you think this lil’ girl is a Muslim? How about the entire TV station crew or the entire population who were watching the telecast? Not Muslim or Muslims? Come on now, don’t be shy.

Perhaps its Ramadan. No worries, we can wait for an answer, like how our ancestors waited for the past 1400 years.

 

[Sam_777]

cathopologist;4231359:

Gee, i’m beginning to think Muslims are really trying hard to avoid watching this video of the lil’ Arab girl interviewed by an Islamic TV and how the station praises her “impressive” knowledge of how Mohammad was poisoned by a Jewess and that Jews are apes and pigs. Reminds me of when Muslim Woman boasted about memorizing the Qur’an…

planten, Americanrevert, Sister Amy, Muslim Woman, do you think this lil’ girl is a Muslim? How about the entire TV station crew or the entire population who were watching the telecast? Not Muslim or Muslims? Come on now, don’t be shy.

Perhaps its Ramadan. No worries, we can wait for an answer, like how our ancestors waited for the past 1400 years.

Yes, she is a pure Muslim, the problem how would she know the truth from the lie at that age!, its not her fault at all, its the fault of her parents.

 

[cathopologist]

Yes, she is a pure Muslim, the problem how would she know the truth from the lie at that age!, its not her fault at all, its the fault of her parents.

Sad but true. Isn’t it paradoxical that parents should teach their children not to lie yet let an erroneous book dictated by an illiterate determine what is the truth and what is wrong?

 

[Roamin_Xian]

Sorry, you have misunderstood Muhammad. have you seen the Quran? Have youheld it in your hand? The prophet onhis travels could discuss with your Rabbis and remember allthose things then paly it back in 23 years. What an idea you had. Something impossible.

You see, it’s fundamentalism like this, just as among any religion, that causes detrimental harm to the world and minds; I’m just as critical of Christian and Jewish fundamentalists for their refusals to be open minded.

Have I held a Qu’ran? Is a printed copy from Saudi Arabia supposed to transmit grace? Yes, I have held one.

There is no need to reply to any of your thinking. Very loose thoughts to downplay and deny a man of God.

You don’t want to reply because my points, which are basically the ideals of many critics of Islam, are accurate. He met Rabbis and Priests, learned their ideals, and incorporated them into the Koran. It’s no different than the Christian Bible extracting concepts from the Hebrew Scriptures and applying them to Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Roamin_Xian]

It is same thing. Soon at the time of Moses even, these were the orders, not to spare any non-Jewish soul, woman or child. It is all there. You can read it yourself. You cannot disown as that coming from men and sitting (written) in holy book. It was a holy order. Please see yourself.

Ahh, but planten, Muhammed and his colleagues made it their objective to link Islam to the prophets of Israel, did they not? Does Islam not see itself as a successor of Judaism and Christianity?

And if so, why do you attack a holy order from God?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

Dear Muslim Woman … Please click on the link and watch the video.

Go on, click it:

my compu is very slow . I can’t watch video online .

So , there is a video where a girl was taught to hate non -Muslims . If i browse i will find many news on how non Muslims kids are taught to hate Muslims. so , what’s your point ?

gifts from Israeli Children : die with love





Hate, disgust, extreme�. I don’t know what word can describe these photos.

And they say that we are teaching our kids hate to Israelis!

Thank you, Israel kids, we received your gifts. See…

http://rsrc4.bubbleshare.com/media/...0a70f3c9a74d1021ada/360x270/aa-98_360x270.jpg

sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/

 

[planten]

Yes, she is a pure Muslim, the problem how would she know the truth from the lie at that age!, its not her fault at all, its the fault of her parents.

Forget the little girl please. If any one wants to see a clear example of the lies then please read the OT where Jacob is telling Issac that he is Eisu…

And a few more could be noted in Sarah and Abraham. Sarah telling the king of Egypt that Abraham was her brother.

 

[planten]

Ahh, but planten, Muhammed and his colleagues made it their objective to link Islam to the prophets of Israel, did they not? Does Islam not see itself as a successor of Judaism and Christianity?

And if so, why do you attack a holy order from God?

I do not need to attack any one. But it should be equal all around. Nobody should attack the holy order of Islam too. I do not know that a Jew is attacking or a christian. I only gave some example from the Old Testament. People are ignorant and careless.

 

[planten]

You see, it’s fundamentalism like this, just as among any religion, that causes detrimental harm to the world and minds; I’m just as critical of Christian and Jewish fundamentalists for their refusals to be open minded.

Have I held a Qu’ran? Is a printed copy from Saudi Arabia supposed to transmit grace? Yes, I have held one.

You don’t want to reply because my points, which are basically the ideals of many critics of Islam, are accurate. He met Rabbis and Priests, learned their ideals, and incorporated them into the Koran. It’s no different than the Christian Bible extracting concepts from the Hebrew Scriptures and applying them to Jesus of Nazareth.

Please you come out with your faith then I will reply to you. Your problem is still the same that Muhammad learnt all from the rabbis. Tell me about your faith and your sacred book please.