Calling all former Muslims!

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Salaam/peace

my compu is very slow . I can’t watch video online .

So , there is a video where a girl was taught to hate non -Muslims . If i browse i will find many news on how non Muslims kids are taught to hate Muslims. so , what’s your point ?

gifts from Israeli Children : die with love

http://static.flickr.com/77/192642681_c4903905bd_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/72/192642682_2fea4cce66_o.jpg

Hate, disgust, extreme�. I don’t know what word can describe these photos.

And they say that we are teaching our kids hate to Israelis!

Thank you, Israel kids, we received your gifts. See…

http://rsrc4.bubbleshare.com/media/...0a70f3c9a74d1021ada/360x270/aa-98_360x270.jpg

sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/
You are taking a Jewish anomaly and comparing it to an integrated, worldwide movement of radical Islamic hatred and violence. “Peaceful Islam” is defined by the excesses of the radicals, who are not being controlled, but rather tolerated. Islam has no credibility as long as its adherents freely and joyously kill in the name of Allah.
 
Salaam/peace
my compu is very slow . I can’t watch video online .
So , there is a video where a girl was taught to hate non -Muslims . If i browse i will find many news on how non Muslims kids are taught to hate Muslims. so , what’s your point ?
I will not deny this: I think Israel sometimes goes a little too far with its efforts of eradicating potential terrorists, but this isn’t about politics. It’s about what a religious text teaches its adherents - to hate and destroy unbelievers of Mohammad (namely Jews and Christians) and his messed up book. Once again, you’re resorting to diverting questions. Is that girl in the video Muslim or not? Is she lying about what the Qur’an has taught her?
 
Salaam/peace

my compu is very slow . I can’t watch video online .

So , there is a video where a girl was taught to hate non -Muslims . If i browse i will find many news on how non Muslims kids are taught to hate Muslims. so , what’s your point ?

gifts from Israeli Children : die with love

http://static.flickr.com/77/192642681_c4903905bd_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/72/192642682_2fea4cce66_o.jpg

Hate, disgust, extreme�. I don’t know what word can describe these photos.

And they say that we are teaching our kids hate to Israelis!

Thank you, Israel kids, we received your gifts. See…

http://rsrc4.bubbleshare.com/media/...0a70f3c9a74d1021ada/360x270/aa-98_360x270.jpg

sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/
I notice that can’t spell “with” correctly.

Odd how they are writing in English, isn’t it.
 
Forget the little girl please. If any one wants to see a clear example of the lies then please read the OT where Jacob is telling Issac that he is Eisu…

And a few more could be noted in Sarah and Abraham. Sarah telling the king of Egypt that Abraham was her brother.
That video is just a tip of the sandmount. Please do not divert, dear coward and liar. Is that little girl in the video Muslim or not? Where did she learn that from?
 
I will not deny this: I think Israel sometimes goes a little too far with its efforts of eradicating potential terrorists, but this isn’t about politics. It’s about what a religious text teaches its adherents - to hate and destroy unbelievers of Mohammad (namely Jews and Christians) and his messed up book. Once again, you’re resorting to diverting questions. Is that girl in the video Muslim or not? Is she lying about what the Qur’an has taught her?
Yeah, I noticed the old “slow computer” excuse as well. I didn’t think that Muslim women were supposed to be so forward or aggressive as to argue for the faith. Didn’t Mohammad have something to say about that?
 
I notice that can’t spell “with” correctly.

Odd how they are writing in English, isn’t it.
Even stranger that this thread is a call to former Muslims, not an appeal for a defense of Islam - as if there was a reasonable one.

Islam will have a shred of credibility when the peaceful stand up to the murderers amongst them. The devil speaks peace while murdering behind his back.
 
cathopologist,why don’t you blame Judaism and blame jews because of the Talmud ??
revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
That link is the dishonest exegesis of an author namely Michael Anthony Hoffman II. That link itself contains “revision”. Do you honestly believe i’d take a well-known Holocaust denier’s work seriously? If you cannot say that girl in the video is a Muslim, say so. What are you? Another Islamist sympathizer?
 
my point is ,the Ahadiths , Talmud and the Bible are all written down by MEN …therefore, they contain errors and fabricated and modified passages…

about the girl :

Is she Muslim : YES
Is she wrong : YES
 
my point is ,the Ahadiths , Talmud and the Bible are all written down by MEN …therefore, they contain errors and fabricated and modified passages…

about the girl :

Is she Muslim : YES
Is she wrong : YES
Sorry, but i do not agree with your disbelief in Our Bible. The Catholic Church maintains it is free from error - especially concerning moral and ethics. It’s not hard guessing you’re either an Atheist or Agnostic.
 
my point is ,the Ahadiths , Talmud and the Bible are all written down by MEN …therefore, they contain errors and fabricated and modified passages…

about the girl :

Is she Muslim : YES
Is she wrong : YES
Wasnt the quran written by MEN also??? Who penned it??? :rolleyes:
 
my point is ,the Ahadiths , Talmud and the Bible are all written down by MEN …therefore, they contain errors and fabricated and modified passages…

about the girl :

Is she Muslim : YES
Is she wrong : YES
IF there is a Holy Spirit, and IF Christ told the truth, then mere men were lead by that same Holy Spirit to all truth, and to write that truth as it was revealed to them. To believe otherwise is to reject Jesus as Prophet, and to have a cynical attitude toward truth. No?
 
Sorry, but i do not agree with your disbelief in Our Bible. The Catholic Church maintains it is free from error - especially concerning moral and ethics. It’s not hard guessing you’re either an Atheist or Agnostic.
The signature says it all. He determines his own truth. And his truth changes according to the circumstances, times, places, and people. No wonder the cynicism and confusion! I pray for him.
 
Part----one

Monk Praying
On Holy Mt. Athos
In Memory Of The 50 Million Victims Of The Orthodox Christian Holocaust
Compiled by Rev. Archimandrite Nektarios Serfes
Boise, Idaho
U.S.A.
October 1999
Written by Reverend Father Raphael Moore
(Reprinted from Holy Transfiguration Greek Orthodox Church Sioux Falls, SD., Protopresbtyer Benjamin Henderson, Priest)

History Of Asia Minor: 1894-1923
During 1894-1923 the Ottoman Empire conducted a policy of Genocide of the Christian population living within its extensive territory. The Sultan, Abdul Hamid, first put forth an official governmental policy of genocide against the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire in 1894.

Systematic massacres took place in 1894-1896 when Abdul savagely killed 300,000 Armenians throughout the provinces. Massacres recurred, and in 1909 government troops killed, in the towns of Adana alone, over 20,000 Christian Armenians.

When WW1 broke out the The Ottoman Empire was ruled by the “Young Turk” dictatorship which allied itself with Germany. Turkish government decided to eliminate the whole of the Christian population of Greeks, Armenians, Syrians and Nestorians. The government slogan, “Turkey for the Turks”, served to encourage Turkish civilians on a policy of ethnic cleansing.

The next step of the Armenian Genocide began on 24 April 1915 with the mass arrest, and ultimate murder, of religious, political and intellectual leaders in Constantinople and elsewhere in the empire. Then, in every Armenian community, a carefully planned Genocide unfolded: Arrest of clergy and other prominent persons, disarmament of the population and Armenian soldiers serving in the Ottoman army, segregation and public execution of leaders and able-bodied men, and the deportation to the deserts of the remaining Armenian women, children and elderly. Renowned historian Arnold Toynbee wrote that “the crime was concerted very systematically for there is evidence of identical procedure from over fifty places.”

The Genocide started from the border districts and seacoasts, and worked inland to the most remote hamlets. Over 1.5 million Armenian Christians, including over 4,000 bishops and priests, were killed in this step of the Genocide.

The Greek Christians, particularly in the Black Sea area known as Pontus, who had been suffering from Turkish persecutions and murders all the while, saw the Turks turn more fiercely on them as WW1 came to a close. The Allied Powers, at a peace conference in Paris in 1919, rewarded Greece for her support by inviting Prime Minister Venizelos to occupy the city of Smyrna with its rich hinterlands, and they placed the province under Greek control. This action greatly angered the Turks. The Greek occupation was a peaceful one but drew immediate fire from Turkish forces in the outlying areas. When the Greek army farmed out to protect its people, a full-fledged war broke out between Greece and Turkey (the Greco-Turkish war).

The Treaty of Sevres, signed in 1920 to end WW1 and which provided for an independent Armenia, was never ratified. The treaty’s terms changed not long after the ink dried as England, France and Italy each began secretly bargaining with Mustafa Kemel (Ataturk) in order to gain the right to exploit oil fields in the Mozul (now Iraq). Betrayed by the Allied Powers, the Greek military front, after 40 long months of war, collapsed and retreated as the Turks began again to occupy Asia Minor.

September 1922 signaled the end of the Greek and Armenian presence in the city of Smyrna. On 9 September 1922, the Turks entered Smyrna; and after systematically murdering the Armenians in their own homes, the forces of Ataturk turned on the Greeks whose numbers had swelled, with the addition of refugees who had fled their villages in Turkey’s interior, to upwards of 400,000 men, women and children.

The conquering Turks went from house to house, looting, pillaging, raping and murdering the population. Finally, when the wind had turned so that it was blowing toward the sea so that the small Turkish quarter at the rear of the city was not in danger, Turkish forces, led by their officers, poured kerosene on the buildings and homes of the Greek and Armenian sectors and set them afire. Thus, any remaining live inhabitants of the city were flushed out to be caught between a wall of fire and the sea. The pier of Smyrna became a scene of final desperation as the approaching flames forced many thousands to jump to their death or to be consumed by fire.
 
That video is just a tip of the sandmount. Please do not divert, dear coward and liar. Is that little girl in the video Muslim or not? Where did she learn that from?
Cathopologist, please calm down and remember to love your enemies…
 
part 2

The Allied warships and shore patrol of the French, British and
American military were eyewitnesses to the events. George Horton, the American Consul in Smyrna, likened the finale at Smyrna to the Roman destruction of Carthage. He is quoted in Smyrna (1922, written by Marjorie Dobkin) as saying: Yet there was not fleet of Christian battleships at Carthage looking on a situation for which their governments were responsible." This horrible act unleashed the last phase of the genocide against the Christians of Turkish Asia Minor.

On 9 September 1997, a series of speakers and memorial services, honoring the memory of the 3.5 million Christians who were murdered by Turkish persecutions from 1894-1923, were held in the greater Baltimore Washington area. The memorial service was conducted by the choirs of St. Mary’s Armenian Church, St. Katherine’s Greek Orthodox Church, Fr. George Alexson of St. Katherine’s, Fr. Vertanes Katayjian of St. Mary’s and other Orthodox clergy.
The 75th anniversary of the Christian Holocaust was memorialized on 9 September 1997, the date in 1922 of the destruction of the city of Smyrna. This memorial honors the memory of over 3.5 million Christians who were murdered by Turkish persecutions from 1894-1923. Not only was this the memorial of the Holocaust of Smyrna (now Izmir) and the martyrdom of Smyrna’s Metropolitan Chrysostomos, but also of the 3.5 million Christians who perished during the first Holocaust of this century. But the events of 1922 are not an isolated incident. The atrocities committed by Turkish forces against a civilian population began before WW1 and have never ended. This event seeks to expose the continuum of a Turkish campaign of persecution, deportation, and murder designed to rid Asia of its Christian populace.

GREEKS
1914 400,000 conscripts perished in forced labor brigades
1922 100,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
1916-1922 350,000 Pontions massacred or killed during forced deportations
1914-1922 900,000 perish from maltreatment, starvation and massacres; total of all other areas of Asia Minor
TOTAL: 1,750,000 Greek Christians martyred 1914-1922

ARMENIANS
1894-1896 300,000 massacred
1915-1916 1,500,000 perish in massacres and forced deportations (with subsidiaries to 1923)
1922 30,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
TOTAL: 1,800,000 Armenian Christians martyred 1894-1923
 
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ORTHODOX PERSECUTIONS TODAY
Of all the Christian confessions, it has been the Eastern Orthodox Church which has suffered the brunt of persecutions in the 20th century.

In the first two decades, there were massacres of Orthodox Greeks, Slavs, and Armenians in the Ottoman empire, culminating in the 1915 genocide of the Armenians in Anatolia and the near destruction of the ancient Assyrian community in Iraq. In 1923, the entire Orthodox population of Asia Minor was forced to leave their homes, bringing to a close a 2000 year Christian presence.

During the Second World War, two groups of Orthodox Christians were especially targeted for genocide by the Nazis and their allies - the Gypsies and the Orthodox Serbs of Bosnia and Croatia, while the population of Greece, Serbia, European Russia, and Ukraine were designated by the Nazis to serve as slave labor for the Third Reich. By special order of Heinrich Himmler (21 April 1942), clergyman from the East (as opposed to their counterparts from Western Europe) were to be used for hard labor.

At the same time the Orthodox suffered in greater proportion to any other Christian group at the hands of the Communists, who sought to completely eliminate religion.

First in Russia and Ukraine, then in Eastern Europe, in Greece during its civil war (1945-49), and in Ethiopia, the Orthodox Church was the principle target for attach, subversion, or destruction.

Finally, the Orthodox of the Middle East have found themselves caught in the crossfire of the conflicts between Muslim and Jew in Israel and the West Bank, and the civil war between Maronites, Muslims, and Palestinians in Lebanon.

Between the tolls exacted from prisons, concentration camps, forced marches and exiles, warfare, famine, and brutal military occupation, it is reasonable to conclude that up to 50 million Orthodox Christians have perished in the first eight decades of the twentieth century.

Even in the United States, where so many Orthodox have found refuge, the Orthodox Native Americans of the Aleutian Islands were forcibly interned during World War II and many of their churches deliberately destroyed by the U.S. Army.

Unfortunately, the depth and range of the Orthodox suffering throughout the world in this century, remains largely unknown and unappreciated in the West.
 
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The wars in the former Yugoslavia have been disastrous for the Orthodox. The Croatian government has all but liquidated the Orthodox Church in its territory, beginning with the dynamiting of the residence and library of the Orthodox Metropolitan of Zagreb on 11 April 1992. Following the Croatian offensive of fall 1995 and the departure of over 200,000 Orthodox Serbs in Diocese in Krajina. (which brought a total of over 800,000 displaced Orthodox Christians), four dioceses of the Serbian Orthodox Church ceased to exist. In Croat controlled territory in Bosnia, the Orthodox Bishop of Mostar was driven from his see, and most of the Orthodox population was expelled. Estimates are that over 154 Orthodox churches in the territory of Bosnia and Croatia were deliberately destroyed. On March 25, 1999 NATO began bombing of Kosovo in Serbia. It is one of the tragic ironies of History that Western “Christian” nations have joined forces to eradicate Serbs in Kosovo who are accused of “Ethnic cleansing”. History repeats itself ----Kosovo was the site 500 years ago of the Christian Resistance to the Turks.
 
Yeah, I noticed the old “slow computer” excuse as well. I didn’t think that Muslim women were supposed to be so forward or aggressive as to argue for the faith. Didn’t Mohammad have something to say about that?
“Women are defiicent in religion and reasoning.” -Muhammad.
 
part 2

The Allied warships and shore patrol of the French, British and
American military were eyewitnesses to the events. George Horton, the American Consul in Smyrna, likened the finale at Smyrna to the Roman destruction of Carthage. He is quoted in Smyrna (1922, written by Marjorie Dobkin) as saying: Yet there was not fleet of Christian battleships at Carthage looking on a situation for which their governments were responsible." This horrible act unleashed the last phase of the genocide against the Christians of Turkish Asia Minor.

On 9 September 1997, a series of speakers and memorial services, honoring the memory of the 3.5 million Christians who were murdered by Turkish persecutions from 1894-1923, were held in the greater Baltimore Washington area. The memorial service was conducted by the choirs of St. Mary’s Armenian Church, St. Katherine’s Greek Orthodox Church, Fr. George Alexson of St. Katherine’s, Fr. Vertanes Katayjian of St. Mary’s and other Orthodox clergy.
The 75th anniversary of the Christian Holocaust was memorialized on 9 September 1997, the date in 1922 of the destruction of the city of Smyrna. This memorial honors the memory of over 3.5 million Christians who were murdered by Turkish persecutions from 1894-1923. Not only was this the memorial of the Holocaust of Smyrna (now Izmir) and the martyrdom of Smyrna’s Metropolitan Chrysostomos, but also of the 3.5 million Christians who perished during the first Holocaust of this century. But the events of 1922 are not an isolated incident. The atrocities committed by Turkish forces against a civilian population began before WW1 and have never ended. This event seeks to expose the continuum of a Turkish campaign of persecution, deportation, and murder designed to rid Asia of its Christian populace.

GREEKS
1914 400,000 conscripts perished in forced labor brigades
1922 100,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
1916-1922 350,000 Pontions massacred or killed during forced deportations
1914-1922 900,000 perish from maltreatment, starvation and massacres; total of all other areas of Asia Minor
TOTAL: 1,750,000 Greek Christians martyred 1914-1922

ARMENIANS
1894-1896 300,000 massacred
1915-1916 1,500,000 perish in massacres and forced deportations (with subsidiaries to 1923)
1922 30,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
TOTAL: 1,800,000 Armenian Christians martyred 1894-1923
You forgot the Syriacs, Assyrians and Chaldeans.

The Arab Christians were mostly safe, as they were congregated in Syria. Many Armenians have testified that once they reached Syria, they felt safe.
 
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