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phil19034
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LOL - it was when she was young. But obviously, based on that quote, she never did grasp basic dogma.
Calling herself a devout Catholic, leading U.S. politician says banning abortion ignores basic morality
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1cthlctrth
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Good point. The evils of slavery were abolished. The evils of abortion must also be abolished, especially 20-week abortions, and born-alive infanticide.
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Horton
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That is exactly the problem when NP and other “Catholic” politicians on the left spout their nonsense on abortion, same sex marriage, transgenderism, and all the other non Catholic teachings they proclaim. Non Catholics believe they are being truthful in their statements about what is acceptable in the Catholic Church. Poorly catechized Catholics, much in the same way, believe this is what the Church teaches. It is scandal.
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AlNg
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According to polls I have seen, more than 50% of Catholics say that in all, or in most cases abortion should be legal. Similarly, many Catholics (not just public figures) favor artificial contraception and SS marriage. For example pew research has a poll showing that 67% of Catholics favor SS marriage and 28% oppose. I know a Catholic college that (in an official college publication for alumni) publicly congratulates SS couples on their marriage to one another.
When you look at the statistics from the Religious Landscape study you see that only 18% of Jehovah’s witnesses favor the legalization of all or most abortions, while 75% oppose. Only 14% of Jehovah’s Witnesses favor SS marriage while 76% oppose.
Religious Landscape Study
Explore the geographic distribution and demographics of America's major religious groups.
www.pewforum.org
Why is it that so many Catholics favor abortion rights for women and favor SS marriage, whereas among Jehovah’s Witnesses, the percentage favoring abortion rights and SS marriage is much smaller?
As far as contraception goes, 89 percent of Catholics say it is morally acceptable or not a moral issue at all.
To sum up, Nancy Pelosi is one among many Catholics disagreeing with the teachings of the Catholic church on these issues.
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Legbed
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Abortion may be something many of you disagree with by I must wonder why you believe your set of beliefs in this matter may trump another persons? Like for instance imagine if a large sect of SEventh day adevntists saw mass on Sunday as morally repugnant and decided they wouldn’t fight to ban it. Why does one’s personal belief have to Ben used to try to take another’s autonomy away?
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lonegreywolf20
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We vote for them because there is more than the issue of abortion to think about.
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goout
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What is your point for purposes of sound moral theology?
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lonegreywolf20
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Definitely not going to follow that teaching! I am not a one issue voter and there is more at stake than abortion.
When Republicans are pro-life for all, then maybe I will follow the teaching.
When Republicans are pro-life for all, then maybe I will follow the teaching.
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lonegreywolf20
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You opinion is noted.
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goout
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This is scandalous and you have to wonder how a Catholic bishop could allow this to happen. By scandalous I mean in the moral theological sense:
In my lay opinion, this kind of scandal is every bit as corrosive as the abuse scandals, because it contributes to the proliferation of evil by supporting structures of sin in our political system.
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JanetF
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You win for best response!
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goout
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It is our job however to make good prudential judgments and to have concern for the least among us. And to speak out for the least among us by our public words and actions.
Whether a person can or should be described as devout is a red herring.
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pnewton
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Sort of. This is not how the Church has actually worded it though.
…nor is abortion the only pro-life issue, much less the only moral issue.
Funny you use that example. I thought of the last election as one person representing Moloch, and the other Mammon.
“You” is not you. This letter was written to the Church at Corinth. The post before said.
…nor is abortion the only pro-life issue, much less the only moral issue.
Funny you use that example. I thought of the last election as one person representing Moloch, and the other Mammon.
“You” is not you. This letter was written to the Church at Corinth. The post before said.
It is the priest as representative of God to fulfill the verse quoted. We only judge as voters who is best suited for office, not who “deserves” a funeral, or who has earned any of the other graces of the Church.
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pnewton
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That may be your opinion, but it is not how the Church works. Excommunication is not a matter of consensus. But hey, if you feel up to the task of judging other people on your own, not just actions, go ahead. Personally, I do not want to bring that type of judgement upon myself, as Jesus said we would. For we also have this from Jesus Himself:
In any case, I am not a member of that parish and do not know those two people personally. I assume you must.
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pnewton
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LOL! I quoted a longer section than you did, which, by the way had a specific context of
But then again, with someone whom I do not personally know, the appearance of who they are is all I have. I don’t question the validity of what you say, only its application for me to people I do not know. Yes, I understand my responsibility to my brother, but all I know of Nancy Pelosi I have read in the news. I can surely judge the wrongness of positions, even though I do not know her. This may not apply to you though, if you know her.
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EricF
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Is this directed at my comment?
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AlNg
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It was a question I had. Why do so many Roman Catholics, such as Nancy Pelosi for example, reject the sound moral theology on SS marriage and abortion, whereas you don’t see that in some other religions. I gave a reference to a Roman Catholic journal, America which has information on the large percentage of Roman Catholics who reject the sound moral church teaching on artificial birth control (89%), and on other things like SS marriage and abortion.
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pnewton
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I have see that in the Mormon church. Baptist don’t really address the issue, as their creed is very general. But I think it would be very useful for bishops to address those that create public scandal within their parish, and re-iterate the Church’s doctrine in areas where scandal is causing confusion.
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edwest211
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This confused thinking arises from a form of compassion that is actually not compassion. There are two victims in abortion, the developing child and the mother. Sometimes the father but he is rarely mentioned, and this lack of being mentioned puts him in a kind of limbo where his conscience should be his guide. So what some Catholics have allowed themselves to believe contradicts Church teaching and common sense. Everyone should understand that the moment a woman becomes pregnant a new, individual human being begins to live.
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Aquinas11
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Matthew 7
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
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