Calling on all Protestants on this forum!

[ScottishColleen]

I’m not certain the Catholics understand what true Protestants are. During the Reformation there were Protestants and Radicals. Much of the multi-denominations today are what would be considered Radicals, not truly Protestants…some are so on the fringe, that it’s scary they are even being call Christian. Until, you have a breakdown of who is who, then anything being tossed a “Protestants” is a broadbrush and full of assumptions. Don’t say, 300,000 Protestants, because that is inaccurate. Even before the Reformation, you had Radical groups running around creating strange sects and cults…just as today. Please, don’t lump everyone who goes and “starts a church” in with us.

From Wiki…
(this is the acceptable definition)
Protestantism encompasses the forms of Christian faith and practice that originated with the doctrines of the Reformation. The word Protestant is derived from the Latin protestatio meaning declaration which refers to the letter of protestation by Lutheran princes against the decision of the Diet of Speyer in 1529, which reaffirmed the edict of the Diet of Worms against the Reformation.[1]
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(This is the slang broadbrush that is offensive to true Protestants)**
Since that time, the term Protestantism has been used in many different senses, often as a general term to refer to Western Christianity that is not subject to papal authority.[1]

 

[alanjeddy]

alanjeddy;3088958:

Do all Protestant churches believe that Christ was God and died for our sins?

Do you know of one that does not?

That is a beautiful commonality that all Christian denominations and Catholics share and God Bless you for sharing that post. Jesus died for all of us.

 

[Benadam]

Church history is just that - church history. It records what men did and believed. History is not the standard on which we form the doctrines of our faith. Otherwise you’re simply choosing your leaders (1 Cor. 1:12-13).

Indeed. Truth has had a witness on earth since He entered time and history. The message and Life of the Gospel was and is delivered to the community that formed out of those who He chose Himself during His earthly life. They are a Witness to Truth on earth. In that manner, that is, by a continual choosing that finds it’s source in Christ’s own choice, Truth has a witness on earth. Apart from that community Christ is offered in part.

Peace of Christ

 

[alanjeddy]

Indeed. Truth has had a witness on earth since He entered time and history. The message and Life of the Gospel was and is delivered to the community that formed out of those who He chose Himself during His earthly life. They are a Witness to Truth on earth. In that manner, that is, by a continual choosing that finds it’s source in Christ’s own choice, Truth has a witness on earth. Apart from that community Christ is offered in part.

Peace of Christ

Said with true devotion to Jesus. He who is the way, the truth and the life. How sad how we have removed him from this world and as His birthday is rapidly approaching we forget that He is the reason for this season. Because of the strictures of political correctness, we are not to acknowledge His birthday. In a much broader sense, He is the reason for all of the seasons of our life.

How sad how we have taken Jesus out of Christmas, out of schools and even out of our own lives.

 

[dogsaint]

Are Protestants still needed here?

 

[Ginger2]

I don’t think the Protestant churches have any right to discern false teachings. Look at all the splintered protestant faiths, all 330,000 of them. Something is not working. Watch the Journey Home on EWTN 8:00 PM on Mondays. There’s no authorrity in your 300,000 interpretations of the truth. Something isn’t working.

This is funny.

The first split came from within the Catholic Church. Thus we have Orthodox and Roman. The odds of the RC splitting again were diminished by 50%.

The second split is also from the Catholic Church. Thus we have Lutherans. The odds of another split again were greatly diminished because those seeking the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob had more choices and didn’t necessarily need to form a new denomination.

Now all the splits are blamed on the Protestants, but think about it …

The odds of the Catholic Church splitting again are now minnimal because it’s easier to leave and join another denomination.

BTW, it seems to me there was another split in the Catholic Church early on, but I don’t remember the results. Is anyone familiar with a second split before Luther?

 

[Mannyfit75]

This is funny.

The first split came from within the Catholic Church. Thus we have Orthodox and Roman. The odds of the RC splitting again were diminished by 50%.

The second split is also from the Catholic Church. Thus we have Lutherans. The odds of another split again were greatly diminished because those seeking the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob had more choices and didn’t necessarily need to form a new denomination.

Well history show that members of the Eastern Orthodox reunited with Rome and they make up the majority of the Eastern Rite Catholics. Right now even Anglicans who are traditional are seeking for Vatican Approval to have them become in communion with Rome.

Now all the splits are blamed on the Protestants, but think about it …

The odds of the Catholic Church splitting again are now minnimal because it’s easier to leave and join another denomination.

BTW, it seems to me there was another split in the Catholic Church early on, but I don’t remember the results. Is anyone familiar with a second split before Luther?

There has been a calling within the leadership of Catholicism that will bring an eventual reunion between and the Eastern Orthodox and Western Catholic Church.

 

[dogsaint]

Here is an excellent article proving that there are nearly 30,000 protestant denominations.

ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm

 

[Ginger2]

Here is an excellent article proving that there are nearly 30,000 protestant denominations.

ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm

Does it break down how many different Catholic denominations there are and/or how many sprang directly from each main denomination - including Cathoics? I wouldn’t want to waste my time reading if it doesn’t give a breakdown.

 

[alanjeddy]

Does it break down how many different Catholic denominations there are and/or how many sprang directly from each main denomination - including Cathoics? I wouldn’t want to waste my time reading if it doesn’t give a breakdown.

There is one Holy and Catholic Church that can be traced back to Peter. Read the Holy Fathers of the Church.

The reason Protestants have splintered into 30,000 different belies is because the is no hierachal authority. There are too many different interpretations of the bible. Sola Scriptura has no biblical reference even though you try to use 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

All of the above has really precipitated so many conversions and souls are coming home to the Catholic Church. Watch EWTN The Journey Home on Monday nights 8:00PM EASTERN TIME.

 

[alanjeddy]

John 6:51: I am the living bread which, i came down from heaven, if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever, and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my FLESH.

John 6:52: The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying,“How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

John 6:53 So Jesus said to them" truly, truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. ( The Greek word to eat is Torgo which means to rip, gnaw flesh)

John 6:54 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:60 Many of His disciples, when they heard it said, this is a hard saying who can listen to it?

John 6:66 After this many of His disciples drew back and no longer went about with Him in 6:67 Jesus said to the twelve, “Will you also go away?” (Jesus audience was scandalised for they knew He was speaking of His real presence, not a symbolic presence in the Eucharist. Jesus would have told them if he was speaking metaphorically or symbolically. But He never did, for He meant what he said)

I know you are going to say, ya but what about John 6:63 It is the spirit that give s life, the flesh is of no avail…
Jesus was not talking about His own flesh, but rather our bodies that die and end up in the grave. But our spirits or souls live on in eternity, nourished not only by the word of God, but also by the Holy Eucharist.

May God Bless you and may He lead you to the fullness of the truth.

 

[Ginger2]

There is one Holy and Catholic Church that can be traced back to Peter. Read the Holy Fathers of the Church.

The first two splits, I believe were in the Catholic church. And the other day while surfing the Web I came upon another “catholic” church that holds to different doctrines, so it would seem that is another split that no one really paid much attention to.

So, there may, in your opinion, be only one Catholic church, but that is not what this dialog is about. It is about splits in different denominations.

The reason Protestants have splintered into 30,000 different belies

So you don’t count any splits from the Catholic Church which was the cause of the very first split?

Do you also consider made up religions that spring up apart from any organized Demonination as a Protestant split? Are cults included under your definition of a “protestant split”?

Has the Orthodox Church ever split? If so, would that be considered a protestant split. If not, one might wonder why…

 

[Thumbelina]

I am Catholic but I have many Protestant friends and work colleagues. I think we spend too much time squabbling among ourselves, when the true threat to Christianity is from the Muslims. We all need to work together to pressure our governments to disallow Muslim immigration into non-Muslim countries like Australia (where i come from) and the UK, and to fight for our Christian rights!

Merry Christmas to all!

Love Thumbelina

 

[sandmountainsli]

I don’t think that I follow a “16th Century Invention” at all!
I go to my church, pray, read Psalms and take Communion when offered. As for Real Presence I believe it is a true presence but spiritual rather than physical, Communion is not to be taken lightly and not without much prayer.
WP

 

[alanjeddy]

I don’t think that I follow a “16th Century Invention” at all!
I go to my church, pray, read Psalms and take Communion when offered. As for Real Presence I believe it is a true presence but spiritual rather than physical, Communion is not to be taken lightly and not without much prayer.

WP

It is a real presence there is no doubt about it Jesus meant what He said the Jewish udience left Him because they could not eat His body but Jesus never recanted. He meant what He said read John 6, Unless you eat my blood and drink my blood you have no life in you. If He were speaking symbolically why didn’t He explain this to His Jewish audience that was scandalised???

 

[sandmountainsli]

It is a real presence there is no doubt about it Jesus meant what He said the Jewish udience left Him because they could not eat His body but Jesus never recanted. He meant what He said read John 6, Unless you eat my blood and drink my blood you have no life in you. If He were speaking symbolically why didn’t He explain this to His Jewish audience that was scandalised???

This argument ain’t flyin’ on Christmas Eve.
I never said SYMBOLIC I said “spiritual rather than physical” there is a difference.
WP

 

[sandmountainsli]

This argument ain’t flyin’ on Christmas Eve.
I never said SYMBOLIC I said “spiritual rather than physical” there is a difference. Are you implying that I am a Baptist??
WP

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Communion and Baptism are both spelled out in Scriptures. So that does not fit the criteria of beliefs not shared. I can’t help it if some people don’t fully understand. Catholics have the same problem with not understanding everything and often state erroneous beliefs that do not match Catholicism.

That said, I don’t believe Marian dogmas cannot be supported using 1st century sources. Since Protestants are not claiming anything extra about the Virgin Mary, I believe the burden of proof lies with Catholics.

Apostolic succession. Can you provide any evidence at all that Peter was ever even in Rome?

I would ask you to prove he was not. Writers like Clement, Ignatius and Tertullian show that by the end of the first century the tradition that Peter went to Rome and was martyred there was already well established. That would mean that it was being stated as he was there Peter was crucified some were between 64 and 67 A.D. that would mean that people who were his alive will he liked and followers of his placed him in Rome at the time of death.

I find it funny that those ho do not believe want proof that what the Church teaches is true instead of providing proof that its not. Oh wait they can not.

Peace in the Lord

Scott

 

[Ginger2]

"Ginger2:

Can you provide any evidence at all that Peter was ever even in Rome?

I would ask you to prove he was not.

I find it funny that those who do not believe want proof that what the Church teaches is true instead of providing proof that its not.

 

[alanjeddy]

This argument ain’t flyin’ on Christmas Eve.
I never said SYMBOLIC I said “spiritual rather than physical” there is a difference.
WP

Oh I guess Jesus was saying unless you spiritually drink my blood you have no life in you. SO THAT’S WHY hIS JEWISH AUDIENCE LEFT HIM No wonder you Protestants have splintered into 30,000 diferent denominations. You don’t have anyone who knows how to interpret scripture and you who profess SOLA SCRIPTURA. YOU GUYS ARE REALLY TOO MUCH.