Calling on all Protestants on this forum!

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oneGODoneCHURCH said:
Now with in the Catholic Church you have the Eastern and Western Rites, you also will find
Order of religious communities( Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans, ect…) they are not separate denominations.
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Is the Eastern Rite the same as the Eastern branch of Catholicism or the Eastern Catholic Churches?

-Mark
 
EmergencyOps said:
Is the Eastern Rite the same as the Eastern branch of Catholicism or the Eastern Catholic Churches?

-Mark
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That is a good question. I have tried researching for a simple explanation. It seams Orthodox is used interchangeable with the Eastern Churchs. In the Roman Catholic Church we speak of Orthodoxy as keeping with original traditions and teachings of Catholic Church, and not muddied by groups such as “Catholics for Choice” or “WomenPriests” who claim they can be Catholic, yet not adhere to Catholic teaching. There are Rites which are in union with Rome, and there are some that are not, but considered Catholic in schism with Rome. A list would be nice.
 
qui_est_ce said:
That is a good question. I have tried researching for a simple explanation. It seams Orthodox is used interchangeable with the Eastern Churchs. In the Roman Catholic Church we speak of Orthodoxy as keeping with original traditions and teachings of Catholic Church, and not muddied by groups such as “Catholics for Choice” or “WomenPriests” who claim they can be Catholic, yet not adhere to Catholic teaching. There are Rites which are in union with Rome, and there are some that are not, but considered Catholic in schism with Rome. A list would be nice.
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The Orthodox and the Eastern Rite (Catholics) are not the Same. Though the Divine Liturgy may be the same in both ( I do not know). The Orthodox are churches that are in schism with Rome. The Eastern Rite or Catholic Churches are in communion with Rome.

Try this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches

Form what I can see ( and again I am not an expert by any means) in some cases for each Eastern Catholic Church there is a Orthodox Church of the same name. example Byzantine.
 
This brother in Christ remembers you all in prayer as a whole, praying for the whole body of Christ…

With Love in Christ,

God Bless you all!

Mike Moore
 
SPOKENWORD said:
I believe that the bible is Gods inspired Word and is sufficient for me.History is recorded in the Bible. 👍 God Bless.
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All those who follow Christ believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. When you say History is recorded in the Bible, what History? There is no mention of French, Spannish, English, South American so on and so forth in the Bible. Is what was happening in those countries during Our Lord’s time on Earth and in the first century following Pentecost insignificant? You could argue that all the history you need in relation to Christian faith is in the Bible but for anyone who puts their complete faith and trust in scripture and scripture alone in order to gain salvation, I would say that history regarding the canon of scripture is very significant as is translation. For example, the majority of Protestants I know would not use the Jehovah’s witnesses Bible. The other thing I would say is what makes anyone else’s interpretation of scripture more valid than my own? I would certainly not claim that my interpretation needs to be believed in order to gain entry to heaven and I would certainly not claim it is infallible. If no one else can make this claim, and I doubt anyone will, why should I believe someone’s else’s interpretation is the only one which is true?
 
The history that is recorded in the Bible does not deals with the people but Israel in the OT and the Church in the NT. Sorry if you feel left out. God loves all mankind and does not want anyone to perish but wants all who are willing, to come to repentance of sin and faith in Christ for salvation. 🙂
 
DLC said:
The history that is recorded in the Bible does not deals with the people but Israel in the OT and the Church in the NT. Sorry if you feel left out. God loves all mankind and does not want anyone to perish but wants all who are willing, to come to repentance of sin and faith in Christ for salvation. 🙂
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Dont’ know if this was a reply to my post about Bible history or not but in relation to Bible history, the very fact that the Bible deals with the Nation of Israel and the Church is because the Bible is not a book of history and it was never intended to be. The Bible itself tells us that it does not tell the whole story as John records at the end of his Gospel therefore, for historical accuracy historical sources other than scripture need to be given consideration and you cannot say that history which is not recorded in the Bible is insignificant simply because it is not recorded in the Bible. The Bible is God’s revelation to man and it records the human experience of God, man’s struggle in his relationship with God. The Bible may record certain historical details in order to set the scene but to me it was never intended to be a historical account and Bible ‘history’ is told through the eyes of the Israelite nation and is therefore the writers perception of history in relation to Theology. Even fundamentalist Christians consider external evidence in relation to the Bible up to a point, and history is not invalid simply because it is not inspired, ishistorical proof. God did not give us the intelligence to study subjects such as history for nothing and a knowledge of history and geography enhances our understanding of the human experience of God recorded in scripture. My comments were not about feeling left out.
 
Incorrect. It is a book of history in that it deals with Israel in the past. When it does deal with histrical Israel it is accurate. There are 12 historical book in the OT, Joshua - Ester. In the NT Acts is history. By saying that the Bible is a book of history I mean that some of the books are history other are poetry, Law, and prophecy.👍
 
OK, I take your point and the Bible is perhaps the only source of history in relation to the nation of Israel. However the Deuteronomic history is written from a certain perspective with a certain purpose. It is interwoven with Theological overtones because it is history in relation to mankinds experience of God and God communicating himself to man. The point I was trying to make perhaps badly, is that we cannot say that we have no need of history other than what is recorded in the Bible regarding to man’s experience of God and the formation of Christianity. Secular history deepens our understanding of what it meant to be a member of the Nation of Israel and the development of Jewish theological thinking. First century history reveals a great deal about Christianity following the death of the last Apostle which to me is very significant. It is from history we know how the Bible came to us, how the Canon of Scripture was decided and why, theological developments particularly in relation to the Incarnation and the nature of Christ. When we examine secular history in conjunction with the Bible, it deepens our understanding of it, how the Bible writers experienced God and makes them more real to us. 😉
 
If you were amazed by that one verse, try reading more and and see what happens. 🙂

JAMES 2:15-17
If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?
So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
 
Shibboleth said:
Well as a Lutheran I quote the Church fathers often. You must remember that a Catholic is going to look back at the beginnings of the Church as the Catholic Church and the other branches formed at a later time.

Lutherans, at least most anyways, look at the beginnings of the Church as a nameless collection of ordained Priests or Bishops in their respective cities with no supreme head. These Bishops did indeed have control over their area of influence but were not subject to a Supreme Pontiff. Some of the writings that we have from people like John Chrysostom, Gregory, and Jerome tend to support this view.

Lutherans do believe in Apostolic Succession, The True Presence, The necessary aspect of Baptism, and that Mary was ever virgin. All of these aspects can be proven to have been held by the Church Fathers.

We simply believe that over time the power of the Bishop of Rome far exceeded itself with the Council of Nice being the pivotal point in history in which it became profound.

I am just putting this information up to let people know where Protestantism stands on the issue; I mean no disrespect of the Pope and his position. I am far too un-knowledged to claim that I know the power of the Pope.
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**These Bishops did indeed have control over their area of influence but were not subject to a Supreme Pontiff. **

Just to add a little to your thought here, if you do a little more “research” even in the Bible, Peter was the first Pope and all the “Bishops” followed him.

Lutherans, at least most anyways, look at the beginnings of the Church as a nameless collection of ordained Priests or Bishops in their respective cities with no supreme head.

Yes, back then there was a “name” it wasn’t “nameless” as some think. The Name “Catholic” which means “Universal” was used back then. This is what the collection of Ordained Priest and Bishops called themselves. The Luthern Church Group then formed as a “broken off branch” from the “Catholic (Universal) Church.” This is why Luthern Church carries many of the same “beliefs” as the Catholic Church.

Lutherans do believe in Apostolic Succession,

If the Lutheran Church believes in “Apostolic Succession”, then why did they stop at the point they did? (I’m not asking to be scarcastic) The Catholic Church can still trace it’s Apostolic Succession, from the Pope today, back to Peter, (the first Pope, appointed by Jesus).

The True Presence, The necessary aspect of Baptism, and that Mary was ever virgin.** All of these aspects can be proven to have been held by the Church Fathers. **

The Chruch Fathers were the Catholic, Church Fathers. (of course later on the Luthern Church came to be so maybe you’re refering to the Group of men who broke off from the Catholic Church, as the Luthern Church Fathers?)

My comments and questions are not ment to be offensive. I am just wondering about what Lutherns are being taught about the “History” of their church and how it came to be.
 
Ginger2 said:
If you were amazed by that one verse, try reading more and and see what happens. 🙂

JAMES 2:15-17
If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?
So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
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How about our final report card, on how we have served others. seeing the face of Christ in all our neighbors who are in need of our true christian charity. Matthew 25:31-46
What does Jesus say to those who didn’t administer to the needs of the least of His brethern? The goats on His left who didn’t give food to the hungry or water to the thirsty or who didn’t clothe the naked etc. were not saved by their faith alone. We all know where Jesus sent them…
 
dennisknapp said:
I am imploring, begging, beseeching any Protestant to provide positive evidence for thier beliefs that are not shared in common with historical Christianity.

Please provide evidence for:

Communion is only symbolic; not salvific.

That baptism is only symbolic; not salvific.

Marian doctrine is a late innovation of the Roman Catholic Church.

That Apostolic Succession was not taught in the early Church.
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This is so obviously another baiting-thread…it’s a shame that you got people to take it this time around…
 
Ginger2 said:
Your 33,000 Protestant churches accusation is a myth.

The 33,000 denominations includes Catholic denominations, not just non-Catholic.

It further includes churches that by definition are really cults.
etc., etc., etc.,
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This was covered at length in another thread, but here’s my response to those who doubt that Sola Scriptura has led to a splintering of over 30,000 (my estimate is now 40,000) Christian denominations:

You can see the statistics yourself here: As there are reported to be over 38,000 Christian denominations, many of which cannot be verified to be significant, only those denominations with Wikipedia articles will be listed in order to ensure that all entries on this list are notable and verifiable.

and here.

But let’s see how many we can list right now: (these are all independent churches who do not submit to the same authority. The RCC, to be Catholic, submits to the authority of the Holy Father).

Pre-Lutheran Protestants
Cathars
Hussites
Moravian Church
Taborites
Unity of the Brethren
Utraquists
Lollards
Waldensians
Waldensian-Methodist Union of Italy
Waldensian Church of the Rio de la Plata

Lutheranism
Main articles: Lutheranism and Martin Luther
Apostolic Lutheran Church of America
Association of Free Lutheran Congregations
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
Church of the Lutheran Confession
Concordia Lutheran Conference
Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference
Evangelical Lutheran Church “Concord” (Russia)
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church (Germany)
Evangelical Lutheran Synod (United States)
Lutheran Church of Central Africa Malawi Conference
Lutheran Church of Central Africa Zambia Conference
Ukrainian Lutheran Church
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (United States)
 
And more…

Evangelical Catholic Church
Evangelical Community Church-Lutheran
Evangelical Lutheran Diocese of North America
International Lutheran Council
American Association of Lutheran Churches
Evangelical Lutheran Church - Synod of France and Belgium
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Brazil
Evangelical Lutheran Church of England
Gutnius Lutheran Church
Independent Evangelical-Lutheran Church
Japan Lutheran Church
Lanka Lutheran Church
Lutheran Church - Canada
Lutheran Church—Hong Kong Synod

Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod (United States)
Lutheran Church of Australia (associate member)
German Evangelical Church in Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia (no longer in existence)
Laestadian Lutheran Church
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Lutheran Church of China (no longer in existence)
Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ (United States)
Lutheran Evangelical Protestant Church (United States)
Lutheran Ministerium and Synod - USA
Lutheran World Federation
Church of Denmark
Church of Iceland
Church of Norway
Church of Sweden
Church of the Faroe Islands
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church of Norway (associate member)
Lutheran Church of Australia (associate member)
Malagasy Lutheran Church

Reformed Churches
Main article: Reformed Churches
See also: Calvinism and First Great Awakening
Canadian and American Reformed Churches
Christian Reformed Church in North America
Christian Reformed Churches of Australia
Confederation of Reformed Evangelical Churches
Congregational Federation of Australia
Dutch Reformed Church
Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
Free Reformed Churches of North America
Heritage Reformed Congregations
Netherlands Reformed Congregations
Orthodox Christian Reformed Church
Protestant Reformed Churches in America
Reformed Church in America
Reformed Church in Hungary
Reformed Church in the United States
Remonstrant Brotherhood
United Reformed Church
United Reformed Churches in North America

Presbyterianism
Main article: Presbyterianism
See also: Presbyterian polity
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Bible Presbyterian Church
Christ Community Church
Church of Scotland
Confederation of Reformed Evangelical Churches
Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church in England and Wales
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Ukraine
Evangelical Presbyterian Church (Australia)
Free Church of Scotland
Free Church of Scotland (Continuing)
Free Presbyterian Church (Australia)
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster
Greek Evangelical Church
Orthodox Presbyterian Church
Presbyterian Church in America
Presbyterian Church in Canada
Presbyterian Church in Ireland
Presbyterian Church in Taiwan
Presbyterian Church of Aotearoa New Zealand
Presbyterian Church of Australia
Presbyterian Church of Eastern Australia
Presbyterian Church of Korea
Presbyterian Church of Wales (also a Methodist church)
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Presbyterian Reformed Church (Australia)
Presbyterian Reformed Church (Canada)
Reformed Church of France
Reformed Presbyterian Church General Assembly
Reformed Presbyterian Church of Australia
Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America
Southern Presbyterian Church (Australia)
United Free Church of Scotland
Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa
Upper Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Westminster Presbyterian Church of Australia
 
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