Calling on all Protestants on this forum!

  • Thread starter Thread starter dennisknapp
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
dennisknapp said:
I am imploring, begging, beseeching any Protestant to provide positive evidence for thier beliefs that are not shared in common with historical Christianity.

Please provide evidence for:

Communion is only symbolic; not salvific.

That baptism is only symbolic; not salvific.

Marian doctrine is a late innovation of the Roman Catholic Church.

That Apostolic Succession was not taught in the early Church.
Click to expand...
Communion: Catholics use John 6:25ff to bolster the “real presence” argument. Question for you…how many statements does Jesus make that are in the Gospel of John and how many of them are metaphors? Jesus talks about himself as “the living water”, “I am the vine” “I am the true gate,” “I am the light of the world.” We don’t see the church taking any of these others as anything other than a symbolic remembrance. When Jesus took the bread and said this is my body broken for you, He was still intact and sitting before them. Not broken, thus the church took it as symbolic of the crucifixion, not literally his body and blood.

Baptism: In Acts 10 Peter goes to see Cornelius. As Peter is speaking the Holy Spirit descends:

Act 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
Act 10:45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
Then Peter said,
Act 10:47 “Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

Salvation clearly came first, then baptism. When Peter went back to the Jews who were upset that he had preached the gospel to Gentiles, this is Peter’s defense in Acts 11

Act 11:15 "As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.

Just as the apostles had received the gift of the Holy Spirit so had Cornelius when he believed.

Act 11:16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
Act 11:17 So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?"
Act 11:18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, **God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.” **

Notice that when the elders are satisfied with the details of the occurrence they don’t even mention baptism. They only mention repentance unto life as necessary to be saved.

Other NT passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit comes at the point of salvation (Eph. 1:13-14 and Romans 8:9)

So I’m sure you’ll bring up Acts 2. When Peter was preaching in Acts 2 the command to repent is in the plural as is the reference to those who would receive forgivness of sins (ie: “All of you repent so all of you can receive forgiveness of sins”). The command to be baptized, however, is in the singular (ie: each of you should be baptized). Thus it makes it clear that repentance leads to salvation . The phrase “for the forgiveness of sins” then, modifies “repentance” not baptism based on the grammatical construction.

So an accurate translation of this would be: “Let all of you repent so all of you can receive forgiveness, then each one who has should be baptized.”

Thus, the early church did NOT believe in baptismal regeneration.

Marian doctrine: Nowhere in the Scriptures do we see anyone praying to Mary, or Mary being lifted up to the postion of Mediatrix, Queen of Heaven etc. ad nauseum that she has been by the church. On the contrary, we see Jesus downplaying her when he speaks to her refering to her merely as “woman” rather than “mother” and saying that those who keep his commands are his true family.

It wasn’t until about 600 AD that prayers to Mary and saints are taught.

As a matter of fact, the term “Queen of Heaven” is only used in Scripture for a false goddess. There is NO queen of heaven.

Apostolic succession: No where taught in Scriptures. Jesus specifically warned about hierarchies and those who would “lord it over others” Instead we are all declared a royal priesthood and with the giving the Holy Spirit don’t need a priest to intercede like in the OT sacrificial system. The curtain was torn.

Thus proof that all these were not part of the earliest church as recorded in the Scriptures.
 
I can not understand how Protestants can not understand that Jesus was talking about His real presence in the Eucharist. The Jewish audience was scandalized and they left Him. He even asked His own apostles, are you going to leave me too? If Jesus was speaking metaphoricallyof a symbolic presence He would have told His audience and they never would have left Him. Jesus meant what He said.

Read the documented cases of saints. One woman only ate one Host a day for 13 years, no other food or water and she survived.
There are consecrated Hosts that changed into flesh and blood and have been saved through the centuries, incorruptable. There for pilgrims to see with their own eyes.
 
Roy5 said:
Can those of us who are seeking truth post here? Maybe I can shed some light on the attractiveness of liberal Protestantism as it attracts me. I don’t mean the fundamentalist variety.
Code: 
  Liberal Protestantism, sometimes called 'big tent' Protestantism, doesn't claim to echo the messages of the ancient Fathers, for example. It's main point seems to be that Christianity is a living, dynamic faith, and that as such it needs to be a faith compatible with modern science as well as common sense. Changing with new information - and with the times - is not ipso facto bad.

   Thus, while it embraces Christ and his teachings, and preaches the two commandments emphasized by Jesus - (1) love God; (2) love your neighbor - it doesn't feel a need to agree with all the Biblical stories. For example, do they really believe in Noah and the Ark? Certainly not. Probably there was a major flood somewhere and a legend sprouted from it. 

    Did Jesus walk on water? Maybe, but unlikely. His disciples and early followers were so impressed that they embellished his personal story with all sorts of miracles. That happened to Moses, Buddha, Muhammad, etc.

    Did God the Father demand that his son be murdered painfully before we could be saved from our sins? Hm! Smacks of paternal sadism plus ugly human sacrifice. Wouldn't a loving Father have worked out a different route for our salvation? There is something just too weird and cruel about this scenario.

    You get the idea. It appears that 'big tent'  Protestants don't insist on theological uniformity, but permit freedom of individual thought. That has a strong appeal to millions of modern, well-educated Christians who want to hold on to their faith but need room for differences of opinion.
Click to expand...
The truth is not a something it is a Somebody and His name is Jesus. His church is a living, timeless body of worshipers who hold onto His teachings that were passed on to His apostles over 2000 years ago. The truth in its essence is Jesus.

There is a spiritual battle raging today and at stake is our immortal souls. The devil is convincing many of us that Jesus didn’t perform any miracles, He didn’t walk on water, He didn’t change water into wine. There wasn’t any Noah’s ark. It’s alright to take Jesus out of schools. He who is the prince of lies also tells usss, it’s ok to take the life of an unborn child in what should be the safest place place for that child, its mother’s own womb!

When the truth becomes a lie, the lights go out and darkness is everywhere. When your light is darkness how deep that darkness can be.

With every beat of our heart we draw closer and closer to that moment of inevitabilty, when time gives way to eternity. We will all stand before He who is the Way, the Truth and the Life and we will answer to He who can not decieve or be decieved. And if we have conformed our life to all that He has taught us we will hear His joyful words, well done my good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of your master’s house.

God Bless,

alan
 
alanjeddy said:
The truth is not a something it is a Somebody and His name is Jesus. His church is a living, timeless body of worshipers who hold onto His teachings that were passed on to His apostles over 2000 years ago. The truth in its essence is Jesus.

There is a spiritual battle raging today and at stake is our immortal souls. The devil is convincing many of us that Jesus didn’t perform any miracles, He didn’t walk on water, He didn’t change water into wine. There wasn’t any Noah’s ark. It’s alright to take Jesus out of schools. He who is the prince of lies also tells usss, it’s ok to take the life of an unborn child in what should be the safest place place for that child, its mother’s own womb!

When the truth becomes a lie, the lights go out and darkness is everywhere. When your light is darkness how deep that darkness can be.

With every beat of our heart we draw closer and closer to that moment of inevitabilty, when time gives way to eternity. We will all stand before He who is the Way, the Truth and the Life and we will answer to He who can not decieve or be decieved. And if we have conformed our life to all that He has taught us we will hear His joyful words, well done my good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of your master’s house.

God Bless,

alan
Click to expand...
 
ALANJEDDY
Code: 
 Hm! Haven't learned to handle posting all that well, so didn't get your quote and my response together. Sorry.

 I look forward to life eternal. I have no fear of any hell. Can you imagine a merciful God condemning an honest seeker to everlasting damnation? Christ said we should forgive 7 x 70 times. How much more willing to forgive is our loving Creator and Redeemer. Just what eternity is like I don't pretend to know. But no reason for decent sincere people to be afraid. Our religious label (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.) will be unimportant when we are judged in the world to come.

  My own view is that more in need of forgiveness will be those who do their best to turn Christianity into a harsh, unyielding, dogmatic, narrow faith. I prefer the religion of Jesus who was quick to embrace the outcasts of his day, who spoke out against the bigoted religious establishment of his time, who wasn't impressed by the hierarchy that sought to impose its petty prejudices on the larger society.

  As for this devil stuff: yes, there is a spirit of evil in the world. I find it hard, however, to believe in satan as a person. That reflects a primitive, medieval mindset that still dominates in some Catholic circles. We need to move beyond that and toss aside useless and misleading images from the past. 

  Merry Christmas!
 
Roy5 said:
ALANJEDDY
Code: 
 Hm! Haven't learned to handle posting all that well, so didn't get your quote and my response together. Sorry.

 I look forward to life eternal. I have no fear of any hell. Can you imagine a merciful God condemning an honest seeker to everlasting damnation? Christ said we should forgive 7 x 70 times. How much more willing to forgive is our loving Creator and Redeemer. Just what eternity is like I don't pretend to know. But no reason for decent sincere people to be afraid. Our religious label (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.) will be unimportant when we are judged in the world to come.

  My own view is that more in need of forgiveness will be those who do their best to turn Christianity into a harsh, unyielding, dogmatic, narrow faith. I prefer the religion of Jesus who was quick to embrace the outcasts of his day, who spoke out against the bigoted religious establishment of his time, who wasn't impressed by the hierarchy that sought to impose its petty prejudices on the larger society.

  As for this devil stuff: yes, there is a spirit of evil in the world. I find it hard, however, to believe in satan as a person. That reflects a primitive, medieval mindset that still dominates in some Catholic circles. We need to move beyond that and toss aside useless and misleading images from the past. 

  Merry Christmas!
Click to expand...
God’s is an ocean of mercy yes but He is also justice. He can not be decieved. God does not send us to hell. We send ourselves there. It is in humility that we draw closer to God. Salvation must be earned by each one of us every day of our life.
It is losing ourselves in service to others that we draw closer to Jesus.
Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life. For my flesh is truely food and my blood drink. Jesus was speaking of His real presence. His audience was scandalized and they left Him. Jesus even asked His Apostles,Are you going to leave me too? If Jesus were speaking symbolically of His presence in the Eucharist He would have called His audience back. But He didn’t because He meant what He said. Jesus is present body, blood , soul and devinity.

Merry Christmas to you and May God bring you to the fullness of the truth!

Alan
 
Why did God sacrfice His Son on the cross? What greater love can we give anyone than to lay down our life for that person. There is no greater love. Look to the cross for there you will see all the love that God has for us. Redemption and if Christ rose from the dead (AND THERE WERE MANY EYE-WITNESSES) then we share in His ressurection. If you don’t believe this then you are not a Christian.

I will pray for you Roy 5

Alan
 
RE EUCHARIST - AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST
Code: 
(1) EUCHARIST. One of the most difficult doctrines of the Church is transubstantiation. The thought that the bread and wine are changed into the literal body and blood of Christ troubles me. Smacks of human sacrifice, God's violent wrath, even child abuse. And why wouldn't God set before us a different example of his love other than the sadistic murder of His only Son?

 The symbolism in the Eucharist is powerful enough. Jesus spoke often in allegorical language. "I am the door" "I am the gate" "I am the good Shepherd" etc. This is especially common in the Middle East. Polls show that most Catholics reject the idea of transubstantiation. I find it quite enough to know that Christ is with us, in us, around us, under us, over us, etc. Wasn't it St. Patrick who wrote something to this effect?

 (2) RESURRECTION OF CHRIST. To us, Jesus became the risen Christ. Just what that means is subject to various interpretations, and I don't make fun of or automatically dismiss any of them. The four gospel accounts all present a somewhat different scenario, which in itself may be significant. If the gospels are so correct, why the discrepancies? Personally, I see the resurrection more in spiritual terms and don't fret all that much about the empty tomb. Certainly the spirit of Christ rose and is with us today.   

   It appears more and more that I may not belong in the Church - the Roman Catholic Church. Most postings seem to insist that all Catholics must accept on church authority each and every teaching of the Pope and the hierarchy. I'm afraid I'm simply too curious and open-minded to do that without giving such beliefs some thought first. God gave us brains to use and not simply to rubber-stamp what some Pontiff or Council decided in modern times or centuries ago.
 
selvaraj said:
Yes, calling all the Protestants in this forum is must, because most of the new Protestant generations has no chance to know about the true Catholics. And also most of the Protestants even dont know Martin Luther was a Catholic Priest and who married a Former Nun. If they know about this and about their founder they may realise.
Click to expand...
Yes, most Prostestants DO know that Martin Luther was a former Augustinian monk who only tried to reform the church he loved very much and get her back on the right track. Unfortunately, the politics and greed of the pope and the upper echelon were more interested in maintaining power and control (“I hate the deeds of the Nicolaitians!”) than being true to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And yes, we do know that Katarina deBora was an ex-nun. Her eyes were opened to the truth as well.

We may realize what? That those who were the closests to the breast of the church found it to be a lie? What’s new?
 
Roy5 said:
RE EUCHARIST - AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST
Code: 
(1) EUCHARIST. One of the most difficult doctrines of the Church is transubstantiation. The thought that the bread and wine are changed into the literal body and blood of Christ troubles me. Smacks of human sacrifice, God's violent wrath, even child abuse. And why wouldn't God set before us a different example of his love other than the sadistic murder of His only Son?

 The symbolism in the Eucharist is powerful enough. Jesus spoke often in allegorical language. "I am the door" "I am the gate" "I am the good Shepherd" etc. This is especially common in the Middle East. Polls show that most Catholics reject the idea of transubstantiation. I find it quite enough to know that Christ is with us, in us, around us, under us, over us, etc. Wasn't it St. Patrick who wrote something to this effect?

 (2) RESURRECTION OF CHRIST. To us, Jesus became the risen Christ. Just what that means is subject to various interpretations, and I don't make fun of or automatically dismiss any of them. The four gospel accounts all present a somewhat different scenario, which in itself may be significant. If the gospels are so correct, why the discrepancies? Personally, I see the resurrection more in spiritual terms and don't fret all that much about the empty tomb. Certainly the spirit of Christ rose and is with us today.   

   It appears more and more that I may not belong in the Church - the Roman Catholic Church. Most postings seem to insist that all Catholics must accept on church authority each and every teaching of the Pope and the hierarchy. I'm afraid I'm simply too curious and open-minded to do that without giving such beliefs some thought first. God gave us brains to use and not simply to rubber-stamp what some Pontiff or Council decided in modern times or centuries ago.
Click to expand...
Roy, did you read what I wrote in John 6? His audience was scandalised and they left him!!! He asked his apostles are you going to leave me too? Just ask yourself the question would they have left if Jesus were only speaking of his presence in symbolic terms? They would have stayed and furthermore Jesus would have said listen guys I was only refering to my body and blood in allegorical or symbolic terms.

Trans substantation can not be rationally accepted through our finite mind. We can not grasp the infinite transcendance of God with our finite human mind. We walk by faith and not our intellect.

The many Eucharistic miracles are real. They have been subjected to scientific, medical analysis and the doctors and scientista can not come up with a rational answer as to why the human flesh and blood contained in a chalice in various Catholic churches reamains alive, viable and incorruptible for you or I to go and see. No one can explain why this is happening. God’s ways are so far above our ways as the heavens are above the earth.
 
alanjeddy said:
I can not understand how Protestants can not understand that Jesus was talking about His real presence in the Eucharist. The Jewish audience was scandalized and they left Him. He even asked His own apostles, are you going to leave me too? If Jesus was speaking metaphoricallyof a symbolic presence He would have told His audience and they never would have left Him. Jesus meant what He said.

Read the documented cases of saints. One woman only ate one Host a day for 13 years, no other food or water and she survived.
There are consecrated Hosts that changed into flesh and blood and have been saved through the centuries, incorruptable. There for pilgrims to see with their own eyes.
Click to expand...
No, Jesus had told the disciples that he spoke in parables so that only those who have ears to hear would believe. You must take all of John 6 in context. Jesus had just fed a huge crowd with only a few loaves and fishes. The crowd followed him to the other side of the sea of Galilee (verse 24-25). When they asked him how he had gotten there, Jesus rebuked them and said that they were only interested in him because he fed them. Basically saying that they were only interested in the free food (verse 26).

Jesus isn’t interested in crowds and masses following him, he’s interested in true disciples. He intentionally “thinned” the crowd with a difficult teaching so that only those who truly believed would remain.

Jesus himself even told us that the teaching was symbolic in verse 63 and again says it in John 16:25.

Joh 16:25 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Also Jesus kept and fulfilled ALL the laws, why would he ask his disciples to violate those very laws prohibiting the ingestion of blood and human flesh? Do think Peter in Acts 10:14 could’ve said to the Lord that he had NEVER eaten anything unclean if he had violated God’s commandment against drinking blood? (Lev.3:17)

And why do Catholics insist that this “I Am” reference is literal when all the other “I Am” references in John are figurative. It’s called taking a verse out of context as a pretext for a prooftext. Really bad exegesis!!!

You know blows my mind? That Catholics allegorize so much of Scripture but when it comes to something that is clearly taught as an allegory,* THAT *they want to take literally! :confused:

Go figure!?

And about hosts that literally changed into something else, I’m not really interested in false miracles that demons have wrought, just like the Marian apparitions.

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,

2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
 
SolaFide said:
No, Jesus had told the disciples that he spoke in parables so that only those who have ears to hear would believe. You must take all of John 6 in context. Jesus had just fed a huge crowd with only a few loaves and fishes. The crowd followed him to the other side of the sea of Galilee (verse 24-25). When they asked him how he had gotten there, Jesus rebuked them and said that they were only interested in him because he fed them. Basically saying that they were only interested in the free food (verse 26).

Jesus isn’t interested in crowds and masses following him, he’s interested in true disciples. He intentionally “thinned” the crowd with a difficult teaching so that only those who truly believed would remain.

Jesus himself even told us that the teaching was symbolic in verse 63 and again says it in John 16:25.

Joh 16:25 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Also Jesus kept and fulfilled ALL the laws, why would he ask his disciples to violate those very laws prohibiting the ingestion of blood and human flesh? Do think Peter in Acts 10:14 could’ve said to the Lord that he had NEVER eaten anything unclean if he had violated God’s commandment against drinking blood? (Lev.3:17)

And why do Catholics insist that this “I Am” reference is literal when all the other “I Am” references in John are figurative. It’s called taking a verse out of context as a pretext for a prooftext. Really bad exegesis!!!

You know blows my mind? That Catholics allegorize so much of Scripture but when it comes to something that is clearly taught as an allegory,* THAT *they want to take literally! :confused:

Go figure!?

And about hosts that literally changed into something else, I’m not really interested in false miracles that demons have wrought, just like the Marian apparitions.

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,

2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Click to expand...
May God have mercy on your soul. Why would satan ever cause a Eucharistic miracle to occur. How stupid of you to even suggest something like that. The devil hates Jesus and the Eucharist. He has attacked the Catholic Church from the beginning. He would never do something like that.
 
May God have mercy on your soul. Why would satan ever cause a Eucharistic miracle to occur. How stupid of you to even suggest something like that. The devil hates Jesus and the Eucharist. He has attacked the Catholic Church from the beginning. He would never do something like that.
Click to expand...
  1. God has had mercy on my soul…I am saved by the atoning sacrifice of His perfect Son. Thank you
  2. Satan doesn’t care if you’re religious! You seem to think that if it is associated with religion Satan can’t be involved. Did you NOT read the verse I quoted? Satan is able to masquerade as a servant of righteousness to delude people and get their eyes off Jesus!
2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 It is not surprising, then, **if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. **Their end will be what their actions deserve.

They aren’t masquerading as Satan worshippers, they are masquerading as servants of righteousness. Satan would cause a “eucharistic” miracle to occur to deceive people into thinking that transubstantiation really happens and thus get people off into error.

People seem to think that if it’s supernatural it’s a “God” thing! Wrong!!! God warned his people that no matter what the miracle is, if the message is wrong it’s NOT of Him and He’s testing us.

Deu 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,
Deu 13:2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,”
Deu 13:3 ** you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer.** The **LORD your God is testing you **to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
2Th 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

You’re partially right…the devil hates Jesus. The devil, however, LOVES the eucharist because it gets people believing a lie.

No, the devil has attacked the TRUE church from the beginning. The catholic church is doing his work, he loves the RCC.

BTW: Thanks for calling me stupid…that was a real good display of how effective the eucharist is in your life huh?
 
SolaFide said:
  1. God has had mercy on my soul…I am saved by the atoning sacrifice of His perfect Son. Thank you
  2. Satan doesn’t care if you’re religious! You seem to think that if it is associated with religion Satan can’t be involved. Did you NOT read the verse I quoted? Satan is able to masquerade as a servant of righteousness to delude people and get their eyes off Jesus!
2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 It is not surprising, then, **if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. **Their end will be what their actions deserve.

They aren’t masquerading as Satan worshippers, they are masquerading as servants of righteousness. Satan would cause a “eucharistic” miracle to occur to deceive people into thinking that transubstantiation really happens and thus get people off into error.

People seem to think that if it’s supernatural it’s a “God” thing! Wrong!!! God warned his people that no matter what the miracle is, if the message is wrong it’s NOT of Him and He’s testing us.

Deu 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,
Deu 13:2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,”
Deu 13:3 ** you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer.** The **LORD your God is testing you **to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
2Th 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

You’re partially right…the devil hates Jesus. The devil, however, LOVES the eucharist because it gets people believing a lie.

No, the devil has attacked the TRUE church from the beginning. The catholic church is doing his work, he loves the RCC.

BTW: Thanks for calling me stupid…that was a real good display of how effective the eucharist is in your life huh?
Click to expand...
I will pray for you and the salvation of your soul. I choose to remain humble and work on my salvation day by day. Faith is a gift from God. But If I were you I would be careful about saying that Satan is the author of Eucharistic Miracles. Jesus is truely present. Why don’t you talk to Lutherans? Did you know that this Protestant faith has a higher percentage of believers in the real presence of our Lord than even Catholics? I bet that surprises you.

Oh by the way Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide is not scriptural. Show me where it is found in the bible???
 
Be careful about calling the Eucharist a lie for you are then calling
Jesus a lie. hE WHO IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. hE CAN NOT BE DECIEVED NOR BE DECIEVED.

Sadly the devil has you in the palm of his hand I will pray for you.
Come home to the one true church
 
dennisknapp said:
I am imploring, begging, beseeching any Protestant to provide positive evidence for thier beliefs that are not shared in common with historical Christianity.

Please provide evidence for:

Communion is only symbolic; not salvific.

That baptism is only symbolic; not salvific.

Marian doctrine is a late innovation of the Roman Catholic Church.

That Apostolic Succession was not taught in the early Church.
Click to expand...
You will not receive very many responses from Protestants like me, because I see no reason to give evidence for somthing I don’t agree with.
 
alanjeddy said:
Be careful about calling the Eucharist a lie for you are then calling
Jesus a lie. hE WHO IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. hE CAN NOT BE DECIEVED NOR BE DECIEVED.

Sadly the devil has you in the palm of his hand I will pray for you.
Come home to the one true church
Click to expand...
Hi

I think it is not a Christian and charitable way of Evangelization. I don’t think Jesus would have used such words.

Peace.

Thanks
 
Satan was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his true nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies…John 8:44
 
SolaFide said:
  1. God has had mercy on my soul…I am saved by the atoning sacrifice of His perfect Son. Thank you
  2. Satan doesn’t care if you’re religious! You seem to think that if it is associated with religion Satan can’t be involved. Did you NOT read the verse I quoted? Satan is able to masquerade as a servant of righteousness to delude people and get their eyes off Jesus!
2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 It is not surprising, then, **if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. **Their end will be what their actions deserve.

They aren’t masquerading as Satan worshippers, they are masquerading as servants of righteousness. Satan would cause a “eucharistic” miracle to occur to deceive people into thinking that transubstantiation really happens and thus get people off into error.

People seem to think that if it’s supernatural it’s a “God” thing! Wrong!!! God warned his people that no matter what the miracle is, if the message is wrong it’s NOT of Him and He’s testing us.

Deu 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,
Deu 13:2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,”
Deu 13:3 ** you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer.** The **LORD your God is testing you **to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
2Th 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

You’re partially right…the devil hates Jesus. The devil, however, LOVES the eucharist because it gets people believing a lie.

No, the devil has attacked the TRUE church from the beginning. The catholic church is doing his work, he loves the RCC.

BTW: Thanks for calling me stupid…that was a real good display of how effective the eucharist is in your life huh?
Click to expand...
Read John 8:44 Satan was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies…
 
Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life… He can not decieve nor be decieved…
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top