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Ridgerunner
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About 30 million don’t.
Still do. Medicaid people and illegal immigrants are very big users of ERs. The numbers of both increased dramatically during the Obama years.
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JoeShlabotnik
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If you have Medicaid, there is not need for an ER visit.
Immigrants use the ER, because since the days of GOP president Ronald Reagan, more and more immigrants have been coming into the country illegally.
Immigrants use the ER, because since the days of GOP president Ronald Reagan, more and more immigrants have been coming into the country illegally.
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Ridgerunner
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Wrong x 2.
People with Medicaid are very big users of ERs. For them, it’s free. The state picks up the bill and you pay for it in your taxes. So why wait for Monday morning to see another physician for that headache if the ER doctor will give you a prescription on Saturday night? And if you’re feeling your “nerves are shot”, the ER doctor will give you a sedative any time, day or night. And it’s all free. It’s so bad my state, at least, initiated a program among those Medicaid users who, for one reason or another, have “case managers”. They are required to go to the case manager before the ER. The case manager gets them to an NP who, most of the time, can deal with the problem at a fraction of the cost.
Reagan tried to stem the tide with the ill-fated amnesty. It didn’t work because no administration after that (including Bush’s) would really try to stop it.
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TheLittleLady
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Do you mean “Emergency Departments”?
There is more too it than EDs cannot deny services. ED’s must determine a person is stable before they are released. If you go in with a cough or the flu, they can street you quickly. If you show up in early labor, they can make sure you are stable and send you to a public hospital.
Our taxes do not pay for Emergency departments (except at State or County hospitals), the for profit owner of the hospital turns you over to collection agencies or the non-profit administration tries to work out a payment plan before they write off your unpaid bill.
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yankeesouth
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He’s referring to one individual here but obviously the whole liberal ideology of the democratic party includes a staunch pro abortion platform.
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Elizabeth3
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Ok. But here are some numbers that make things more clear-
According to PP, they served approx. 2.8 mil women in their affiliated health centers in the US each year.
They have more than 700 affiliate health centers.
According to Community Health Center’s Chartbook, they serve about 25 million people/year in more than 10,000 health centers.
PP’s claims of poor women losing their access to health care is not as dire as they make it out to be.
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upant
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the current set of democratic candidates will raise your taxes to support their programs, Bernie even admits it.
what have they proposed? Big Tech isn’t pro democrat because the democrats will reduce their influence, on the contrary. Obama and google were in league.
more money for the union, why not allow school choice so the kids benefit?
as the cities that passed a min wage law continue to lose jobs because of the increase.
we would be better off without it. It was a lie from the start.
how many were forced to buy it that didn’t want it (the healthy young). how many now don’t have healthcare because the cost of Obamacare is too high and you can’t pick and choose coverage to reduce the cost under it.
PPH’s numbers are skewed, they won’t release the real numbers so others can do a proper analysis.
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njlisa
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@Ridgerunner
The link I provided breaks down the data far more precisely – by age, race, level of belief in God, Mass attendance, etc.
Being Hispanic myself, I’d like to think my vote counts as much as a “white” vote.
You make a good point here. Thanks.
The link I provided breaks down the data far more precisely – by age, race, level of belief in God, Mass attendance, etc.
Being Hispanic myself, I’d like to think my vote counts as much as a “white” vote.
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TheLittleLady
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Tell that to my late husband. If not for the ACA, I would have lost him 4 years earlier.
Tell that to my best friend who has not had health insurance for at least a decade prior but was finally able to see a cardiologist and get on the heart meds she needs.
The cost of ACA plans are based on one’s income. If you are so blessed that you price out of ACA plans, thank God because you are doing better than so many of your neighbors.
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upant
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yes, some were helped but millions were forced to pay a tax or buy insurance they didn’t want or need. these people didn’t make a lot of money.
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JSRG
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I disagree–but your comment also has little to do with what I was saying anyway.JSRG:
It doesn’t. Prolife people voting for fringe candidates is “half a vote” for the abortion crowd.
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Ridgerunner
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Of course your vote counts as much as a “white” one. Please take no offense to this, but it does sometimes irritate me when a Hispanic distinguishes himself/herself from a “white” person. Being Hispanic is not a “race”. I’m Irish, Italian (northern) and Alsatian, and I know Hispanics who are “whiter” in coloration than me. I am aware of the “La Raza” thing with Mexicans, but I don’t understand it with any other Hispanics.
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TheLittleLady
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If you don’t make a lot of money, your ACA insurance premium is very low, less than $20 per month in my experience.
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njlisa
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@Ridgerunner: I am half Puerto Rican. When the Spanish arrived, the only inhabitants of the island were the indigenous Taino. Later, the Spaniards brought African slaves. It’s no surprise that my DNA shows African and Taino roots.
In Puerto Rico, none of that racial mix matters.
However, in the mainland U.S., it does matter. My dark-skinned father was called the N word. I was called a host of slurs throughout my childhood.
In Puerto Rico, none of that racial mix matters.
However, in the mainland U.S., it does matter. My dark-skinned father was called the N word. I was called a host of slurs throughout my childhood.
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RCIAGraduate
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To be fair, the mandate (note the mandate itself, not other ideas like abortion/contraception coverage) is meant to stabilize the risk pools by getting healthy people lumped with unhealthy people, if you have too many of the latter without the former, costs are going to escalate which is why ending the mandate seemed like a bad idea. This very well could be the issue with the Exchanges, people don’t enroll due to costs which only lead to a self fulfilling cycle.
To be fair, perhaps this is an argument where the premium subsidies and cost caps were not generous enough; there’s a point where people make too much but aren’t necessarily comfortably middle class themselves so things like rent (especially with HCOL areas and transportation since a lot of us depend on cars) so perhaps adjusting the formula much further could have helped further?
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RCIAGraduate
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Sorry about that, hope you’re in a better place now.
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Ridgerunner
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I see. Yes, there are big differences among people who are referred to as “Hispanic”
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Ridgerunner
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It isn’t only that. Obamacare also mandates coverages that few people would buy if they had a choice. That increases costs.
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njlisa
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@RCIAGraduate: I’m 59 years old. I grew up in Oklahoma. There was a lot of bigotry. But you know what? The more people flung at me, the tougher I got. It really made me stronger.
I’ve been in New Jersey for more than 30 years. Believe me, things are different by here.
@Ridgerunner: I really don’t think of myself by ethnicity. I’m just me. We’re all one in Jesus.
I’ve been in New Jersey for more than 30 years. Believe me, things are different by here.
@Ridgerunner: I really don’t think of myself by ethnicity. I’m just me. We’re all one in Jesus.
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Dan123
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And how is it fair for someone to gamble that they won’t be one of the 20 somethings who get cancer and then be able to buy in only when they need the insurance? If we were prepared to let that person die poor and broken in the gutter or begging for help from charities it might be financially equitable, but it would seem a lot of us don’t want to live in such a society.
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