Can baptized Catholics go to hell?

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And that’s fine. And no one is saying you should promote white lies. But conflating something as mortal sin when it is not is disingenuous.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Agree! Contrition is not “feeling sorry”. When we sin we need to make an act of contrition.
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Yes… but an “act of contrition” isn’t sufficient.

Even an “act of perfect contrition” isn’t, per se, sufficient on its own – sacramental absolution is still required, under nearly all circumstances!
QwertyGirl said:
The God I believe in doesn’t shut down His mercy just because a soul has left the human body it inhabited.
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I’m glad that the god you believe in, works that way. Tell me something, though: how can a soul – bereft of the physical ‘stuff’ that allows for ratiocination – repent for sin? If that capacity isn’t present, how can it happen, subsequent to the death of the body?

I think that’s the case that the Church is making – not that God isn’t merciful, but that He gives us the faculties to think, to reason, to repent. If we don’t take advantage of them while we have them, though… 🤔
QwertyGirl said:
I just believe leaving this world may just be the beginning, and I believe God holds us in his mercy regardless of where our souls exist. Of course, it is not the Cathlolic belief. I have to provide that disclaimer.
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Right. And you’ve been upfront about that. But, from a practical perspective, how would that shake out? I mean, how would it work? If you no longer have the ability to ratiocinate, and to repent… how does it happen? Or do you think that God forgives everyone, even those who don’t ask for it? (And, if so, how is what we suffer on earth just, if it means nothing in the end?)
 
Gorgias said:
I’m glad that the god you believe in, works that way. Tell me something, though: how can a soul – bereft of the physical ‘stuff’ that allows for ratiocination – repent for sin? If that capacity isn’t present, how can it happen, subsequent to the death of the body?
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I have a tremendous respect for the concept of mystery. Some things, I think we just aren’t meant to know as humans. I understand that I cannot even conceive what the next world is. I am OK with that. That is the way I think it is probably supposed to be. So I don’t generate all kinds of scenarios of what will happen when I get there. Instead, I just say I believe God will take care of me because he loves me, he made me, and he has my back.

Most people I know would say I am anything but simple. I am intelligent and educated. For some reason, though, my belief is very simple when it comes to this stuff. I am good with it.
 
Gorgias said:
Right. And you’ve been upfront about that. But, from a practical perspective, how would that shake out ? I mean, how would it work ? If you no longer have the ability to ratiocinate, and to repent… how does it happen? Or do you think that God forgives everyone , even those who don’t ask for it? (And, if so, how is what we suffer on earth just , if it means nothing in the end?)
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Since you asked, I will share. I don’t hold Christian beliefs when it comes to this. I don’t really believe in the concept of sin. I believe we are here to learn. God makes us imperfect (from our perception) so we can make mistakes and learn from them. Why? I have no idea. I trust He does though, and it is meaningful. So I live my life. I learn from my mistakes. I do better. I love others. The rest is in God’s hands.

No, I don’t believe that we are barred from good things in the next life because of how we lived in this life. I think there will always be opportunities for do-overs, here and beyond. Why? Because I believe God is good and has purpose. I trust.
 
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My opinion - God is not just some Monarch who wants to rule and be served. He is like a loving father who wants all of his children with him in His family. He never tires of forgiving and goes to the greatest lengths so that not 1 soul of his children are lost. It would wound the father tremendously for one his children to choose hell forever , more so than it would wound Him for them to sin against Him. Gods love and mercy are his greatest attributes so I think we do Him a disservice by placing limits on what he is capable of forgiving. It’s called His unfathomable divine mercy for a reason!
 
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Yes. It is kind of impossible to fully know God since He is infinite.
 
Sometimes you have to use common sense to see whether something is grave matter.
 
QwertyGirl said:
I am finding your post hard to follow. I am guessing english isn’t your first language (?). If I am getting the meat of it though, I agree with you that we should always be re-evaluating our understanding of things like the concept of hell. As a human race, it seems like we are supposed to be constantly questioning, learning, and expanding our understanding of all things.
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Hell is not a concept. Its a reality and this is taught by the Church.
 
The Bible is clear that lying is a sin and is displeasing to God. Here are a few verses. Colossians 3:9, 1 Timothy 1:9-11, Rev 21:8, Exodus 20:16, Proverbs 6:16-19, Psalm 119:29 and 163 and others.

The Bible never presents an instance in which lying is the right thing to do. That means even those white lies said in order not to offend someone are wrong. Lying is a choice and even if a positive outcome comes from telling a lie, it doesn’t make the lie right. God doesn’t condone them.

Because I don’t wish to offend God, I choose not to lie. I know the Catholic Church teaches that not all lies are mortal. But since the consequences of sin is death and the Bible says lying is a sin, it sounds pretty mortal to me.
 
I think you mean that the sin is grave matter.
 
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lilypadrees said:
The Bible is clear that lying is a sin and is displeasing to God. Here are a few verses. Colossians 3:9, 1 Timothy 1:9-11, Rev 21:8, Exodus 20:16, Proverbs 6:16-19, Psalm 119:29 and 163 and others.
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Alright, agreed, it’s a sin.
lilypadrees said:
The Bible never presents an instance in which lying is the right thing to do. That means even those white lies said in order not to offend someone are wrong. Lying is a choice and even if a positive outcome comes from telling a lie, it doesn’t make the lie right. God doesn’t condone them.
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Agreed. We should never lie.
lilypadrees said:
Because I don’t wish to offend God, I choose not to lie.
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Good! I try to do the same.
lilypadrees said:
But since the consequences of sin is death and the Bible says lying is a sin, it sounds pretty mortal to me
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But that’s all sin. Mortal and and venial. All sin is offensive to God, but not all sin is equal.
 
You might have left the Catholic religion but what you learned in Catholic school has apparently contributed in providing you with both a discerning mind and a compassionate heart.
 
I’m sorry 🙁
There really are some “hard sayings” to be found in all faith traditions.
And the anxiety can be very real for some people.
We all have stuff we struggle with.

Please don’t be offended if I remember you in my prayers :pray:t2:
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Why does everybody get hit by a car or a bus in these scenarios?
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haha just an example of a sudden death. I guess you could also say a stroke/heart attack. if a person has a chronic illness he or she may have time to think about their past and repent of their sins
 
steve-b said:
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In Roman Catholic moral theology, a mortal sin requires that ALL of the following conditions are met:

Its subject matter must be grave.

It must be committed with full knowledge (and awareness) of the sinful action and the gravity of the offense.

It must be committed with deliberate and complete consent.
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who would have trouble meeting those conditions?

people who don’t possess full mental capacity. They have a major deficit in reasoning and intellect ability. So they have problems meeting those conditions.

That said, there are ALSO people with none of THOSE mental deficits, who will play games with one or more of the conditions to reduce their own culpability by thinking they reduce their wrong to a misdemeanor or no fault at all by convincing themselves they didn’t really “know”, or they didn’t give “full consent” etc etc etc. …
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well they can fool others as much as they want but they cant fool themselves and of course, God, who sees right through that
 
But we are discussing the sin of lying not all sins. Whether a lie is classified as “venial” or “mortal,” the lie itself is wrong. It displeases God who will not allow any sin whatsoever in Heaven.
 
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