Can Catholics and Mormons work together?

[majick275]

Do you think it’s possible for Mormons and Catholics to allow one another to choose the one true way for themselves?

I’ve always been pretty partial to the idea that my faith can be the one true faith for me, while at the same time it wouldn’t be the one true faith for anyone else.

sure we CAN. I don’t think we should. I think God established a literal church and told us to be a part of it. I don’t believe God wants us to each make up our individual plan of salvation and churches are just a handy guide.

you obviously disagree and that is your right to do so. you seem to have identified yourself as a new order mormon. one who doesn’t really believe the doctrine but chooses to still be a member because you feel it still better for YOU than any alternatives that you have seen. is that correct?

in any case, I am not a prophet and God doesn’t tell me what YOU need to do. I encourage you to look at catholicism and will answer any questions you wish to ask me.

 

[zaffiroborant]

ps - one of the things that turned me away from the Catholic church and toward the Mormon church was all the “nice Catholics” who told me my husband would go directly to hell for killing himself. How awful is that??? I now know that the church has softened her teaching on this matter and it sure hepls.

Annie

This is off topic from the thread but something that has startled me here and there.

I’ve heard people say the same sort of thing as I’ve bolded in Annie’s post. The occasions for saying this have varied and I can’t think of any specific examples but suicide is one I can remember talking about. Anyway it seems that the idea that the church has softened it’s teaching always comes out, yet my dad often taught me the softened version. What seems out of kilter to me is most of the softening is attributed to VII but he was a Catholic born in 1919, educated in Catholic grade school and high school. This Catholic education was followed up with a Catholic college education. His college education was after serving for the duration of WWII and both philosophy and theology were important to him I think as a result of serving.(can’t ask though and I still miss him).

Sorry to go off topic and in no way do I want to make excuses for the the treatment Annie received, but it has confounded me here and there like I said.

 

[RebeccaJ]

ps - one of the things that turned me away from the Catholic church and toward the Mormon church was all the “nice Catholics” who told me my husband would go directly to hell for killing himself. How awful is that??? I now know that the church has softened her teaching on this matter and it sure hepls.

Annie

Mormons said the same thing to my husband when his brother did the same.

I told them that only God knew his heart.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Ok - point taken. But, since when is it a crime to invite your neighbor to church? Are you saying that Catholics don’t do this? If not, why not?

Annie

Not a crime, just, mormons do it because they want to convert people.

I have other friends who invite me to their church, but I know it is because they are a friend. No intent to convert me.

I am sure there are Catholics that invite people to church.

And I am sorry for getting so defensive on the conversion thing. I live in Utah, and me and my family are constantly bombarded by attempts to convert us. Even my daughter, her very first job, she had a co-worker of the same age who gave her a freaking BoM and sent missionaries to our house. It gets tiring, this constant invasion of our lives.

She has a boyfriend who works at a grocery store, and this older lady works at converting him every time she grocery shops.

I have had mormon missionaries waiting in grocery store parking lots, who want to “help” me with my groceries. When I said no thank you, they were offended, and said something like “we only wanted to help”. They creeped me out, because I was alone and it was getting dark. I don’t like strange men doing that sort of thing to me.

I could go on and on, the constant and never ending, often rude, conversion attempts. It takes everything I have to not cuss a string of foul language. I stick to “no thank you”. Over and over and over, and am usually ignored, like I am not saying anything at all.

So, I am used to every mormon I have ever met doing nothing but trying to convert me to a religion that I find beyond false. And hearing the mormons that I do know better talk about how they take every chance they can to proselytize.

If you are not like this, then you are probably the first mormon I have ever met who isn’t all about converting every person they ever said hello to. Congratulations.

And, I shouldn’t participate in any conversations re: polygamy, which is a conversation going on at the same time as this one. Nothing gets me more riled up than these two particular mormon topics. I have to zip it because a lot of old anger comes around and I am trying like mad to not be angry at that particular religion.

 

[zerinus]

Do not dare to say that you know what I do or do not mean. There are Mormons who abuse people, there are Catholics who abuse people, there are Baptists etc etc etc. You do not know what is true for another - you can only speak for yourself.

Annie

I know perfectly well what I am talking about. He is not saying that a Mormon has abused him, nor even that some Mormons have abused him. Neither is he saying who those people were that abused him, nor how they have abused him. He is saying that Mormons have abused him. That is absolute wickedness and total falsehood. If you know anything about “Mormons,” you will know that they do not abuse people.

zerinus

 

[ibkc]

Someone who just barely converted to Catholicism (within the last two months - LOL!) has no business telling me what I should or shouldn’t do.

Some of us have principles and we don’t chase from one myth to the next in a lame attempt to fill whatever hole has been knocked out of our empty psyches.

You are seriously in my prayers.

 

[rinnie]

Tommy i think anyone can word together and get along as friends, But to get along on a religious level, I am sorry to say never. It would be like you comming over to my house and saying lies about my kids, and me just either letting you say them and agreeing with you, or saying nothing at all (the same thing). As a Catholic we are taught to respect other and their beliefs, but to also defend the Church. Now to let a Mormon teach us the bible is like someone telling lies about our kids and not sticking up for them. See what i mean? Its like God is our kids. We cant stop people from telling lies about our kids but we dont have to sit there and listen to it. That is why it wont work. Sooner or later im afraid anger will fest. And then explode. But as far as in the work force itself why not? As long as a Mormon doesnt preach to us, we wont preach to him.

 

[Irish_Kathy]

Well said:thumbsup: I am LDS but I LOVE Mother Teresa and her approach to loving God and loving our fellow man. I bought myself 4 books by her and I am learning so much about true love of God’s children. She was an absolutely amazing woman and we all could learn so much from her. Thank you for your post. I hope it is received in the spirit that it was posted
Annie

Once again Annie, you said that very well. I’ve always loved Mother Theresa also. She truely did know what true love is all about. And she is still teaching us how to love each other. I for one do believe we can learn a thing or two from each other. Let’s stop all this arguing and start learning.

Kathy

 

[Jerusha]

He is saying that Mormons have abused him. That is absolute wickedness and total falsehood. If you know anything about “Mormons,” you will know that they do not abuse people.zerinus

“She” is saying that a group of LDS abused “her”. Not all LDS participate in abusing people, but psychological abuse is part of the culture. How else can you explain the depression rate in Utah? uch:

You can check my back posts for a fuller story.

Typical LDS strategy-- invalidation of peoples’ feelings and experiences when they do not confirm LDS beliefs.

 

[zerinus]

Not all LDS participate in abusing people, but psychological abuse is part of the culture.

That is perverse wickedness, falsehood, and a lie.

How else can you explain the depression rate in Utah? uch:

How ridiculous can you get?

You can check my back posts for a fuller story.

Care to give us some links? You have more than 1,000 posts. How am I going to look for a needle in a haystack?

zerinus

 

[Annie_B]

I know perfectly well what I am talking about. He is not saying that a Mormon has abused him, nor even that some Mormons have abused him. Neither is he saying who those people were that abused him, nor how they have abused him. He is saying that Mormons have abused him. That is absolute wickedness and total falsehood. If you know anything about “Mormons,” you will know that they do not abuse people.

zerinus

Z - you are a disgrace to the LDS church. And you are a cruel creature for the way you treated Patty Pryor in recent posts. Shame on you.

Annie

 

[why_me]

Z - you are a disgrace to the LDS church. And you are a cruel creature for the way you treated Patty Pryor in recent posts. Shame on you.

Annie

Z has been around here for quite some time and he has seen and read it all. Many of the catholics who post about mormonism are not exactly positive toward the lds faith or its people. It can wear on a person at times.

I tend to give Z some slack in his posts. I know that it is a tough job being lds on this forum and having to read all the negatives about the lds church does not make it easy.

The antimormon catholics have to take some responsibility for Z’s behavior.

Do you think that it is christian for someone to claim that psychological abuse is a part of lds culture or that the lds faith is ridiculous? Not to mention what has been said about lds leaders both past and present?

 

[zaffiroborant]

The antimormon catholics have to take some responsibility for Z’s behavior.

No, Z is responsible for his behavior just like anyone else.

 

[zerinus]

Z - you are a disgrace to the LDS church. And you are a cruel creature for the way you treated Patty Pryor in recent posts. Shame on you.

Annie

Thank you, I take that as a complement!

I am pleased to say that you are not a disgrace to Mormonism or Catholicism, because you are both or neither!

zerinus

 

[J_C]

Z has been around here for quite some time and he has seen and read it all. Many of the catholics who post about mormonism are not exactly positive toward the lds faith or its people. It can wear on a person at times.

I tend to give Z some slack in his posts. I know that it is a tough job being lds on this forum and having to read all the negatives about the lds church does not make it easy.

The antimormon catholics have to take some responsibility for Z’s behavior.

Do you think that it is christian for someone to claim that psychological abuse is a part of lds culture or that the lds faith is ridiculous? Not to mention what has been said about lds leaders both past and present?

based on observation I kind of agree with whyme on this. I feel like z has often been held the butt of criticisms which aren’t fully warranted, and i sense that over time he has grown cranky as a result. not saying that z isn’t cranky by nature. being cranky myself i think I percieve a kindred spirit there. in time he may find relaxation, as I have with the onset of old age and the realization that nothing ever really changes in the world, we just bang our heads against it until we are bloody and sore.

now that i said that, i can also agree with whoever said there is a culture of abuse among mormons (as there is in some other religious groups I’ve been around in my years of religious philandering). a few days ago a story was related to me by a mormon friend who has dropped out of the mormon church and joined another sect and he had visited his old ward to attend a rebaptism and according to him the bishop who has known him for some 20 years and alway s beem friendly and firstname basis ignored him the whole time. since there were only six people in there at the time, the shunning was very noticeable, he said/

I prefer to believe that this sort of thing is individual based, especailly since mormon bishops are not trained or necessary gifted in pastoral leadership the way a catholic priest or deacon would be. yet we hear stories about shunning, and my firend was hurt by this experience, and confirmed in his decision to leave the LDS fold. so it was a good thing, now to get him Catholic!

 

[PaulDupre]

This is off topic from the thread but something that has startled me here and there.

I’ve heard people say the same sort of thing as I’ve bolded in Annie’s post. The occasions for saying this have varied and I can’t think of any specific examples but suicide is one I can remember talking about. Anyway it seems that the idea that the church has softened it’s teaching always comes out, yet my dad often taught me the softened version. What seems out of kilter to me is most of the softening is attributed to VII but he was a Catholic born in 1919, educated in Catholic grade school and high school. This Catholic education was followed up with a Catholic college education. His college education was after serving for the duration of WWII and both philosophy and theology were important to him I think as a result of serving.(can’t ask though and I still miss him).

Sorry to go off topic and in no way do I want to make excuses for the the treatment Annie received, but it has confounded me here and there like I said.

I have read the documents of Vatican II (wonderful faith-promoting reading BTW) and I can testify that VII did not change any doctrines. It merely restated what the Church has always taught in ways that address modern issues.

VII did allow for changes in some disciplines, but disciplines are expected to change from time to time. Disciplines are not doctrine. All of the supposed doctrinal “innovations” attributed to VII were made up by individuals with agendas and had nothing to do with VII.

Interesting that you mention your dad’s teaching. My very-Catholic dad, also a WWII vet, taught me that a person who commits suicide is likely severely depressed and not in his right mind and therefore not culpable for sin like a fully rational person would be. He always taught us that God takes into account our weaknesses and knows us better than we know ourselves. We should try our best, with the help of His grace, to overcome our weaknesses, but some have more success at it than others.

He learned that from Bishop Fulton Sheen, who was a great friend to those afflicted by mental illness.

God love you,
Paul

 

[LaMar]

“She” is saying that a group of LDS abused “her”. Not all LDS participate in abusing people, but psychological abuse is part of the culture. How else can you explain the depression rate in Utah? uch:

You can check my back posts for a fuller story.

Typical LDS strategy-- invalidation of peoples’ feelings and experiences when they do not confirm LDS beliefs.

Utah is a truly insane little subculture – or at least it was last I checked. I moved far away 15 years ago, and have spent all that time being grateful to be gone. (LOL!)

Anyway, I don’t doubt that the original author was abused by Mormons. Small people like to gang up on those who are different. It keeps their minds off their own insignificance.

 

[zaffiroborant]

I have read the documents of Vatican II (wonderful faith-promoting reading BTW) and I can testify that VII did not change any doctrines. It merely restated what the Church has always taught in ways that address modern issues.

VII did allow for changes in some disciplines, but disciplines are expected to change from time to time. Disciplines are not doctrine. All of the supposed doctrinal “innovations” attributed to VII were made up by individuals with agendas and had nothing to do with VII.

Interesting that you mention your dad’s teaching. My very-Catholic dad, also a WWII vet, taught me that a person who commits suicide is likely severely depressed and not in his right mind and therefore not culpable for sin like a fully rational person would be. He always taught us that God takes into account our weaknesses and knows us better than we know ourselves. We should try our best, with the help of His grace, to overcome our weaknesses, but some have more success at it than others.

He learned that from Bishop Fulton Sheen, who was a great friend to those afflicted by mental illness.

God love you,
Paul

Yep that’s just what my dad taught about suicide.

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

Let’s get back on topic. Thank you.

 

[tommyberryhill]

Wow, Gone for a week, and now it’s burning me like a toaster oven. It’s almost like that Megadeth song says- “Peace sells, but who’s buying”

Tommy