Can catholics be masons?

[afriendofGod]

The Man who walks on water gave authority to the Man with the staff. Disobey the one, you disobey the other. Disobey the Mother, you’re disobeying the Father.

Nothing immoral about leaving the Masons. Something immoral about thinking you can be Catholic and not obey the Pope.
A. I don’t know why I write THIS. I am still into The Protocols. It is important that Masons planning to leave their fraternity know, that the following citation in Protocol # 15 exists: “Death is the unavoidable end of all life. It is better to accelerate the end of those who hinder our cause, rather than accelerate the end of us who are the originators of that cause. We therefore will annihilate the masons in such a way, that no one besides the brothers will ever suspect, much less the victims themselves: all of them shall die at the precise moment when need arises, apparently of natural causes. Knowing it, not even our brothers [members] will dare to protest. Applying like methods, we have here-to-for eliminated from the Freemasonry every gesture of protest against our ordinances” (St. Maximiliam Maria Kolbe, Writings, v. VI (1044), p. 478). I emphasize, the protocols have been banned and declared a forgery, and no proof exists whether they are still being followed in any shape or form. But I think that masons should be aware that the 1932 protocols contained this provision! There is no need to trumpet an open “betrayal” of the fraternity. Those willing to leave, should do it at all cost, and without delay, but be extra careful to do it safely and discreetly, especially when it comes to the secret “oaths” they have undertaken. There has to be a safe way to abrogate these oaths!

 

[afriendofGod]

Shin;5014959:

The Man who walks on water gave authority to the Man with the staff. Disobey the one, you disobey the other. Disobey the Mother, you’re disobeying the Father.

Nothing immoral about leaving the Masons. Something immoral about thinking you can be Catholic and not obey the Pope.
A.

I should clarify that the phrase “those who hinder our cause” leaves no doubt that those who just want to leave Freemasonry, can leave without consequences. The problems appears to be with those members who engage in open warfare against Freemasonry, even though “hindering” will always remain in the eye of the beholder. But, let’s hope that the Freemasonry of today has radically changed its stripes in such a way, that these “echos from the past” are no more than a bad dream!

 

[jemfinch]

Please say what you want to about me. I would not have followed the above listed instructions from the Church either.

This is just a diversionary tactic, Dallas, and you know it. There is nothing immoral about leaving the Masons: if you do good with the Masons, you can do the same good without them or in other, permissible fraternities. Therefore it is wrong for you to refuse to obey the Church in this matter, since no matter of morality prevents you from doing so.

Furthermore, there is no real applicability of these bulls to your argument: at least two of the three constitute permission to do things, not a command to do them, and the third constitutes neither permission nor command. None of these are properly analogous to the Church’s requirement that you not receive the Eucharist while enrolled as a Mason.

I would never expect my children to do something that is wrong just because I told them to do so–

Irrelevant. The Church is not asking you to do something wrong.

Parents are not perfect.

And yet their commands are still authoritative when a greater law does not contradict them. If I tell my kids that they can’t have dessert until they clean their rooms, they would sin by having dessert before they clean their rooms. Likewise, when the Church tells you you can’t receive the Eucharist while enrolled as a Mason, you sin gravely by receiving the Eucharist in opposition to the Church’s teaching.

My faith goes with The Man who walks on water.

No, your faith is in yourself. You act as your own pope, your sole authority, with the power to dispense and abrogate all others’ commands. This is not faith in Christ, who founded His Church with the authority to bind and to loose. The Church has bound that those enrolled as Masons are not permitted to receive the Eucharist. You have no power to loose that binding, and yet you still act as if you do, gravely sinning in the process.

Jeremy

 

[MugenOne]

Talking about Mason, there was an old man in my church who had just passed away. He’s a member of the Mason. During his funeral, my poor priest allowed Mason ceremony in our church. I was like what the…?! He even said it was a beautiful celebration. My parish priest is a really sweet man from Ireland. He’s possibly no idea about the Mason or seems the Mason as no threat to the Church.

 

[Shin]

Talking about Mason, there was an old man in my church who had just passed away. He’s a member of the Mason. During his funeral, my poor priest allowed Mason ceremony in our church. I was like what the…?! He even said it was a beautiful celebration. My parish priest is a really sweet man from Ireland. He’s possibly no idea about the Mason or seems the Mason as no threat to the Church.

It looks like the videos about freemasonry that were down before are now available again:

scripturecatholic.com/hsomyt.html

And Salza’s Q&A is here too.

He apparently has a lot of radio show Q&A links and other resources too.

 

[Sir_Knight]

There is only one truth and that is the truth taught by the Church.
These endless debates by you trying to justify why you as a Catholic are a Freemason are a waste of time.
The TRUTH is that Catholics cannot be Freemasons. Any Catholic who is a Freemason (active or passive) is committing a grave sin and cannot receive Holy Communion.
I don’t understand any Catholic who would persist with such a heresy and put their immortal soul in danger. In your case you are putting the Freemasons before the Church, preferring to go to Hell instead of choosing to be in Heaven with God eternally (should you die unrepentent).

We’ve been through this with Dallas numerous times in the past with the same results. No matter what ANYBODY will say, he will not accept it if it contradicts what he believes.

Church truth has been presented to him. Now it is time to follow the instructions given to us in Mat 7:6.

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/image.php?u=4439&dateline=1238652155

 

[KC91]

All we can do now is pray that he may obey the Church.

 

[DallasTexas]

We’ve been through this with Dallas numerous times in the past with the same results. No matter what ANYBODY will say, he will not accept it if it contradicts what he believes.

Church truth has been presented to him. Now it is time to follow the instructions given to us in Mat 7:6.

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/image.php?u=4439&dateline=1238652155

Hey Sir Knight,

Hope you’re doing well.

Saludos,

 

[Sir_Knight]

Dallas, Prosit.

 

[Rleng616]

Hey rinnie,

The two with whom I have discussed the matter directly both told me that it was not a sin as long as the fraternity was not doing anything against the Church and not a religion unto itself.

One of the two priest, said that his dad was a mason and his mom was eastern star (masonic women’s organization–he was raised a Methodist). After reading the documentation, he was surprised at the findings.

Both said that the Church’s prohibition on the fraternity is in no way covered under papal infallibility.

Thank you for your question rinnie.

**Popes have said for the last 250 years: YOU CANNOT be Catholic and a mason. **

Good debating skills CANNOT change that.

Bob

 

[DallasTexas]

We’ve been through this with Dallas numerous times in the past with the same results. No matter what ANYBODY will say, he will not accept it if it contradicts what he believes.

Church truth has been presented to him. Now it is time to follow the instructions given to us in Mat 7:6.

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/image.php?u=4439&dateline=1238652155

Sir Knight,

Please help me understand the above reference to Matthew 7:6.

Thank you,

 

[thistle]

Sir Knight,

Please help me understand the above reference to Matthew 7:6.

Thank you,

This is the Haydock Commentary on Matthew 7:6:

Ver. 6. Give not that which is holy, or holy things, (as in the Greek) to dogs; i.e. to scandalous libertines, or infidels, who are not worthy to partake of divine mysteries and sacraments, who sacrilegiously abuse them, and trample them under their feet, as hogs do pearls. (Witham) — The sacred mysteries should not be given to those that are not properly instructed in the sublime nature of them; nor should we hold any communication of religion with those that are enemies to the truths of Christ, which they tread under their feet and treat contemptuously, and will be so far from having any more friendship for you on account of such a criminal complaisance, that it is more probable they will betray you and turn against you. (Haydock)

 

[DallasTexas]

This is the Haydock Commentary on Matthew 7:6:

Ver. 6. Give not that which is holy, or holy things, (as in the Greek) to dogs; i.e. to scandalous libertines, or infidels, who are not worthy to partake of divine mysteries and sacraments, who sacrilegiously abuse them, and trample them under their feet, as hogs do pearls. (Witham) — The sacred mysteries should not be given to those that are not properly instructed in the sublime nature of them; nor should we hold any communication of religion with those that are enemies to the truths of Christ, which they tread under their feet and treat contemptuously, and will be so far from having any more friendship for you on account of such a criminal complaisance, that it is more probable they will betray you and turn against you. (Haydock)

Thank you Thistle.

Sir Knight,

Were you referring this passage to me?

 

[Sir_Knight]

I’m saying that you have been shown the truth over and over again by many people in many threads but have refused to accept it because it does not agree with what you BELIEVE to be true.

I forget the saint who said it (if you do a search here, you’ll find it somewhere but I haven’t figured out how to search for phrases without bringing back tons of data that has to looked at one by one), but he (or she) said that those who refuse to accept the truth, are not worthy of the truth.

If you are a mason and receiving the sacraments, then you are sacrilegiously abusing them. The sacred mysteries should not be given to those that refuse to accept them. Nor should we hold any communication of religion with those that refuse to accept the truths of Christ as taught ny His Church.

Doesn’t mean that I dislike you or am going to ignore you. On the contrary, I’ve grown to like you and think that you are a nice guy but further discussion with you on this topic is pointless as commanded to us by Matthew 7:6 for the reasons that I’ve outlined above.

 

[Xavier2400]

No. Freemasonry is satanic. The initiation RITUAL for freemasonry is nearly identical to that of hardcore witchcraft. The masons are antichrists.

What?? Parts of the ritual come from the Knights Templar ritual, which if I remember correctly, were found not to be heretical most recently by the Vatican. Masons must profess faith in a Supreme Being.

Freemasonry has no similarities to witchcraft in any manner. I am Catholic, and a Freemason, and Jesuit-educated…which of course is the main deciding factor, my priests taught me to educate myself in facts and then decide on faith, not to follow blindly…

Freemasonry is NOT a religion, it is a fraternal order. Those of you who were members of greek fraternities in college should recuse yourself as well, since the precept there is Greek Bacchanalian, and therefore PAGAN.

Educate yourselves please on the true nature of Freemasonry. Your country was founded by Freemasons.

 

[Xavier2400]

Any any one could publish what they are calling the initiation rites to freemasonry. Out of curiosity, I was simply asking for someone who has experienced them to post them to see if they match the ones I found online (I’ve already stated this). If that person is not you, don’t worry about my question. I know what the church teaches, but unlike most I also care deeply about the why. I’ll say that again. My curiosity is not about WHAT the church teaches, but WHY. If you can’t answer that with out simply saying “the church says so,” then don’t answer, I can wait for someone who can. I’m patient

I have read the posts here, and it is a boorish blur of back and forth. The persons asking about Masonry and who are Masons are asking why, and the only answer the contrarians have is “because the Church said so” … no explanation.

I for one prefer to be a leader of men, not a sheep. What about the Borgia’s, popes with concubines and murderous orders?? The Church DOES make mistakes…

Ask a Jesuit this question and you will at least get a scholarly response with well-thought out notations…not the indignant repetition of the blindly faithful.

 

[wanner47]

I have read the posts here, and it is a boorish blur of back and forth. The persons asking about Masonry and who are Masons are asking why, and the only answer the contrarians have is “because the Church said so” … no explanation.

I for one prefer to be a leader of men, not a sheep. What about the Borgia’s, popes with concubines and murderous orders?? The Church DOES make mistakes…

Ask a Jesuit this question and you will at least get a scholarly response with well-thought out notations…not the indignant repetition of the blindly faithful.

Well, I am faithful to Christ, and He was the one who gave the Church authority to make decisions like these. So if being faithful to Christ is a crime, I’m proudly guilty.

However, here are the more in-depth reasons for why the Church opposes Freemasonry…

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_08121892_custodi-di-quella-fede_en.html

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html

 

[KC91]

Dallas don’t you think the Popes know more about Masonry than you do?

 

[Nino]

I’ve had the privilege of speaking to many diverse groups ,organizations,clubs etc down thru the years…I am invited to speak on …lets say…‘the teen creed’…I go to the hall or lodge,wait till the short meeting is over and then am allowed in…introduced and off I go! I try to speak to as many as I can…so that they meet face to face an Orthodox Catholic who does not drum beat but rather chats in a relaxed but deftinite tone a reason for being!.When I work and lecture at an historical site many times I speak to an entire busload of students…from elem.to hschool…always suiting the talk to their age group but also always standing firm on my beliefs…I left the local K or C because of their do nothing approach to all issues and the insistence on still calling Pres.Kennedy 'the first 'Catholic’president…Legion posts are ok but they mostly care about benefits and also blindly follow the no win war concept.go figure…Jesus said to go to the market place and preach the gospel…does not mean to join a club or group…but to expose them to the Truth and in a nice way…this helps to neutralize the smears…in this case,.against the RCC etc…I have spoken to Masonic groups and found them to be very respectfull and I leave feeling that I tried to present a positive picture of my faith.in God,family and country…that is my mission in life as the shadows grow long and the nites are colder…

 

[DallasTexas]

Dallas don’t you think the Popes know more about Masonry than you do?

KC91,

Thank you for your post.

That’s a really broad question.

Is your question asking if the Popes know more collectively or individually? If individually, which Pope?

Regardless, I would have to reject the question due to it’s subjectivity–it would just be a matter of opinion.

I just finished a really good book about the subject entitled “Born in Blood.” In it the author, John J. Robinson, provides are really good theory about how Freemasonry evolved from the Knights Templar. Of course he’s not the first one to make this assumption, but this does answer a lot of questions that would otherwise be unanswerable.

So if the Popes knew/know this and kept the prohibition in place because of a 700-800 year old vendetta, I would be very disappointed.

Thank you again for your posting.