Can catholics be masons?

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someone at mass today told me that we can.
I think this is an excellent question for this reason, I had always been taught that Catholics could not be masons. In the 70’s or 80’s there was a supposed change in teaching which allowed Catholics to be masons. In fact I believe that the leader of our parishes Knights of Columbus council is or was a mason. Now I am hearing that it is not acceptable as I had originally thought. The point to this post is the bishops need to address these issues and give clear and conscience teachings so the faithful knows what the Church teaches.
 
afriendofGod,

Thank you for your posting.

Are you referring to something that really happened or is all this made-up? Above you said that these were examples from your own life. If it really happened was it a school principal or a church pastor who was a known mason? I’m a little confused. This is a difficult to find too credible.

So… are you accusing the masons of doing this?

All the masons who are politician that I know of are pro-lifers not pro-choicers. I am sure there are some masons with opposing views on this subject–I just don’t know any of them. In contrast, many of the Catholics who are politicians that I know of are pro-choicers not pro-lifers.

I prefer to think that Freemasonry is innocent until proven guilty–not guilty until proven innocent. Nevertheless to answer your questions above:
  1. No.
  2. No and no. Removing the Crosses in schools… which schools? I hope Catholic schools are not taking down their crosses. I haven’t seen Crosses in public schools?? Take God out of schools? I don’t think you can take God out of schools.
  3. No. The masons strongly encourage prayer.
  4. No… I don’t think so. Political issues are not discussed in lodge–they are strongly discouraged.
  5. No.
afriendofGod, we’ve all had difficult times in our lives. It is very tempting to blame our shortcomings on someone else or some other group instead of manning up to them.

Once again, and as always, thank you for your posting.
**A.**This is the last time I am wasting my time with you. I have spoken about things that I have witnessed in my own life. That’s a fair way to evaluate: tapping to our own experience! We always do this. But don’t you ever dare to turn this into “my problem,” or blame it on me. That’s an argumentum ad homines, and you are too small to engage in such things with me. This is called “blaming it on the messenger,” exactly as they blamed it all on Jesus! I am not responsible for you, and you are not responsible for me. This is a Catholic forum where *argumentums ad homines are regarded as evil! *Either this stops now, or I will never participate in this forum again. The last weapon against good is the evil of “blaming the messenger”! Just stay away from any such future remarks. Capito?
 
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afriendofGod, Thank you for your posting.

afriendofGod;4970277 said:
It’s precisely on the spiritual level where you are wrong! The Church, for 2,000 years now, has been standing up to evil in all its forms. Since Freemasonry was founded, much of this evil began operating under a hidden Freemasonry umbrella, and all on the hidden, invisible spiritual level! Let’s give a few examples how this might work. They are all examples from my own life. A school principal or even a church pastor is a known mason, and a strange things begin to happen in the school, or parish. First, the crosses disappear from the walls and the Bibles from the pews. Then "the adoration of then Blessed Sacrament is removed, found passe.Then the openly Christian students have the Name of God removed from their papers, and there are pictures of Virgin Mary removed from church walls. The pastor suddenly renounces priesthood, comes out of the closet, and founds his own “gay” church in Florida.

Are you referring to something that really happened or is all this made-up? Above you said that these were examples from your own life. If it really happened was it a school principal or a church pastor who was a known mason? I’m a little confused. This is a difficult to find too credible.
But, it’s too late: the damage was done. Another example: an openly Catholic student is denied the right to write a graduate thesis on the meaning of Truth in literature. Subsequently, this same student is denied entrance to the School of Education, destroying his or her dream of being a teacher. The entire society, thousands of children, have been deprived of a chance to learn what is noble, moral, and true!
So… are you accusing the masons of doing this?
Third example: a man or woman becomes a public official. Suddenly, he or she is surrounded with people pro-abortion, while the pro-lifers are systematically removed from their positions. These things are beginning to happen more and more in our society on the spiritual level. They occur surreptitiously, and it is difficult to prove if the people spreading evil silently are masons, or not. But some of them are, and it is a matter of fact that the few who are, get the highest positions in all areas of social endeavor. These few are enough to destroy the moral fabric of society, to lead the Nation away from Christian faith! But Christians must fight against evil - that’s the commandment they have been given - “have nothing to do with evil-doers”; “remove the evil person from your midst” (1 Jn 3, 8, 1 Jn 4, 1, 1 Cor 5, 13).
All the masons who are politician that I know of are pro-lifers not pro-choicers. I am sure there are some masons with opposing views on this subject–I just don’t know any of them. In contrast, many of the Catholics who are politicians that I know of are pro-choicers not pro-lifers.
This is why I and others have always said: the burden of proof is on Freemasonry: Are you one of those who foster “choice of abortion”? Are you the ones who keep removing crosses and God from schools? Do you stand against prayer in schools? Are you for “gay marriages”? Are you against the papacy? If you are, you will always be suspected of masonic allegiances, till the end of time … even if you aren’t a mason! Why? Because historical proofs abound that the masons were like that nei suoi confronti con la Chiesa Cattolica!
I prefer to think that Freemasonry is innocent until proven guilty–not guilty until proven innocent. Nevertheless to answer your questions above:
  1. No.
  2. No and no. Removing the Crosses in schools… which schools? I hope Catholic schools are not taking down their crosses. I haven’t seen Crosses in public schools?? Take God out of schools? I don’t think you can take God out of schools.
  3. No. The masons strongly encourage prayer.
  4. No… I don’t think so. Political issues are not discussed in lodge–they are strongly discouraged.
  5. No. afriendofGod, we’ve all had difficult times in our lives. It is very tempting to blame our shortcomings on someone else or some other group instead of manning up to them. Once again, and as always, thank you for your posting.
afriendofGod,

Please accept my humble apology if I have offended you in any way–rest assure it was not my intention.
**A.**This is the last time I am wasting my time with you.
Please, your time is not wasted. All discourse such as this aid in sharpening the mind and the ability to reason and think logically. It’s all good as long as we don’t let our emotions overrun us.
I have spoken about things that I have witnessed in my own life. That’s a fair way to evaluate: tapping to our own experience! We always do this. But don’t you ever dare to turn this into “my problem,” or blame it on me. That’s an argumentum ad homines, and you are too small to engage in such things with me. This is called “blaming it on the messenger,” exactly as they blamed it all on Jesus!
Please remember that it was your previous post that was attempting to tag certain actions to the masons and do not get upset when I am simply asking for verification. My question as to whether it was a school official or church official is a valid one.

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I included the previous post so that you may let me know where the argumentum ad homines is. I looked but was not able to find it.
I am not responsible for you, and you are not responsible for me.
Are we not our brother’s keeper?
This is a Catholic forum where *argumentums ad homines are regarded as evil! *
Again, please point out where my ad homines argument is.
Either this stops now, or I will never participate in this forum again. The last weapon against good is the evil of “blaming the messenger”! Just stay away from any such future remarks. Capito?
Once again, my post was not written to draw you to anger nor did I ever question your character. There’s a lot of factual dirt that you can dig up on masons–I would hope that no one in the group claims perfection—but if I see something that is not true or questionable, I will question it.

Thank you for your time and for reading my post.

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I included the previous post so that you may let me know where the argumentum ad homines is. I looked but was not able to find it.

Are we not our brother’s keeper?

Again, please point out where my ad homines argument is.

Once again, my post was not written to draw you to anger nor did I ever question your character. There’s a lot of factual dirt that you can dig up on masons–I would hope that no one in the group claims perfection—but if I see something that is not true or questionable, I will question it.

Thank you for your time and for reading my post.

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There is only one truth and that is the truth taught by the Church.
These endless debates by you trying to justify why you as a Catholic are a Freemason are a waste of time.
The TRUTH is that Catholics cannot be Freemasons. Any Catholic who is a Freemason (active or passive) is committing a grave sin and cannot receive Holy Communion.
I don’t understand any Catholic who would persist with such a heresy and put their immortal soul in danger. In your case you are putting the Freemasons before the Church, preferring to go to Hell instead of choosing to be in Heaven with God eternally (should you die unrepentent).
 
An excellent book about the odious influence and actions of Masonry in America is Behind the Lodge Door: Church, State and Freemasonry in America by Paul Fisher

amazon.com/Behind-Lodge-Door-Freemasonry-America/dp/0895554550/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237965201&sr=8-1
Now this looks like a book I should pick up. I already learned something from reading the editorial review – It named one of its sources: ‘The New Age Magazine’ a Masonic publication.

I was able to quickly check and see if any backissues of it were available online, and I found Google Books had it, anyone can find it. ‘The official organ of Scottish Rite Freemasonry’ in Washington D.C. no less.

What are their articles about? Exactly all the things that have been properly condemned by the Popes, with their popular names and misguiding fronts, (egalitarianism for example, actually meaning doing away with all authority, Christ over the nation, Pope, priest, father over family) religious pluralism, occultism, and overt anti-Catholicism and condemnation of the Pope and Church and her doctrines, the doctrines of Christ.

I am merely flipping through it, there are quite a few issues, I keep finding these one after another.

And it is all quite religious, the Masonry expounded. Vague, general, but religious. Very Modernist.

As has been stated before – Catholic or Mason is the choice. A Masonic Catholic is only a Mason.

Which is more important, the fraternity or the the Lord?

If Masonry were, in some alternative universe, something entirely different than it were here – and entirely innocent, the Church and Popes have the authority to forbid it – despite Masonic denial of authorities. Yet is not innocent, not at all – We have not gone into details of the Papal documents ‘disagreed’ with and their doctrine, nor Masonic doctrine yet, but there is quite a good deal one could get into regarding these and their pernicious influence on society that has spread far and wide I am sure.
 
Thistle,

Once again thank you very much for your posting. I appreciate the time you have spent in replying.

After reading what a heretic is and what heresy is, I suppose the title which you have given me to be an accurate one because I do disagree with the Church.

Not being brought up in the Catholic faith–I was raised Baptist–this must not have quite the sting to it that it would for someone who lives in fear of the label.

Furthermore to your point, I would be called a heretic for being against the Papal Bulls listed below:
**Ad Exstirpanda **(May 15, 1252 by Pope Innocent IV) - the use of torture for obtaining a confession,
**Romanus Pontifex ** (January 8, 1455 by Pope Nicholas V) - permission to enslave and take land from non-Christians,
Cum nimis absurdum (July 14, 1555 by Pope Paul IV) - reinstates the economic restrictions on Jewish people in the Papal States,
I am most certain that there are a few others that I have missed.

Speaking of being a Baptist. As I have said before, the preacher at the Baptist church I grew up in was a mason (may he rest in peace) along with about half of the deacons of the church. The congressman from my hometown, Hon. Ralph M. Hall, is a mason (he’s still the congressman there too). Most of the leaders of the town were also masons.

The founding fathers of my state were also masons–Stephen Austin, Sam Houston, Mirabeau Lamar, Lorenzo de Zavala, Juan Seguin, James Bowie, and many more.

The founding fathers of my country were also masons–George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Handcock, and once again many more.

The leaders of the last century were also masons–Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, Trumen, Ford, etc.

There is nothing trivial or trite about the organization of Freemasonry. It is neither a religion nor cult.

I stand by what I have said and until shown differently, the Church has made it a mistake on it’s prohibition of Freemasonry (I think it also made a mistake on the issuance of the other above listed Papal Bulls as well–which I hope have since been retracted).

The only reason(s) I have seen for the Church to be against Freemasonry deal(s) more with history (ie Templar Knights), and appears to be more of vindicative reasons, than anything that affects us in the modern era.

Once again thank you for your time and for reading my post.
“What we have here is failure to communicate”…Friend, You STILL ARE a baptist—maybe catholic faith,the Pope, all these “rules” etc. just aren’t for you…peace
 
“What we have here is failure to communicate”…Friend, You STILL ARE a baptist—maybe catholic faith, the Pope, all these “rules” etc. just aren’t for you…peace
A. Coda,. I agree that communication, or the lack thereof enters the picture. But failure to communicate itself may be intentional, if the agenda is * to conceal the real end*! One must here distinguish between *agenda *and method whereby the agenda is carried out. According to St. Maximilian, the masonic method is free-thinking. But, according to the Saint, there is something more specific to this method: “proclaiming liberalism to Christians! Liberalism was to be the Trojan Horse, the chief weapon! “Who or what is able to overthrow an invisible power? That’s how our power is! The external masonry (blue non-Jewish masonry), serves to conceal [our] true goals.” “Our” here means the red Freemasonry constituted “by a small Jewish clique” (cf. v. VI (1044), p. 478). St. Maximilian went out of his way to emphasize that the “sages” were “a handful of Jews, a very small group, not the Jewish people as a whole.” The protocol then goes on: “The plan of action of this power, even the place where it is found, the world will never know. By it, we shall simultaneously keep our agents in the clutches of absolute obedience” (Protocol #15, cf. St. Maximilian, Writings, v. VI (1044), p. 478)).One can see why method of this sort was naturally appealing to many Founding Fathers, and why the Protocols were quickly, to this day, declared a “forgery” by the “sages,” to cover their tracks! What about their agenda? Since I trust St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe more than any of the Founding Fathers, I will quote something concerning the agenda of Freemasonry from his writings on the Protocols of Sion. First and foremost: St Maximilian firmly believed that the Protocols “were the true head of Freemasonry, the biblical “head of the serpent that entangles the world”” (Writings, v. VI (1047), p. 490).The Saint had in his possession a September 1926 copy of the Protocols, which he regarded as the “new constitutions of Freemasonry.” In those protocols, promulgated at a major [historic] Masonic Conference in Bucarest, Romania, the following things had been said: Protocol #11: “[we hereby constitute ourslves] to create and promulgate the rights of governments [of the world].” We will accomplish this in three ways: (1) [if legislators], our agents will submit projects to legislative bodies, (2) if Presidents, Senators, Cabinet or Council members, our agents will issue decrees, senate rulings, general resolutions, sanctions and decisions, and (3), [if this doesn’t work], our agents will stir revolutions” (little wonder that St. Maximilian believed that socialism itself [the Russian Revolution], “was a fabrication of Freemasonry” (Writings, v. VI, (911), p. 138) (some analysts even believe that the American and French Revolutions were themselves masterminded by Freemasonry). Let’s go back to Protocol #15: “until we take over [the power], we shall create and multiply the Masonic Lodges in every country of the world. The lodges will engage the services of all present and future prominent activists … lodges shall serve as main points of information and as influence centers … they will respond to one centralized administration known only to us, and composed by our sages … they will publish agendas and programs …they will be headed by a representative who will conceal the identity of the central administration. In the lodges, we will fasten our ties with all existing free-thinkers and revolutionary elements…] The external Freemasonry members are only concerned with temporary satisfaction of their ambition they are mere executors of our thinking, and we want it that way. …] Christians join the Lodges for two basic reasons: some are motivated by by either curiosity or a hope to gain access to social advancement; others look for a chance of publicly voicing their often unrealizable, utopic dreams - these yearn for recognition and success … and we give them success…] You cannot even imagine, how easy it is to bring even the most rational Christians to a state of unconscious naivete, as long as they are convinced of their self-worth…] and we *will *give them self-worth. …] You cannot even imagine, how easy it is then, with the help of a slightest setback, such as withdrawing approval, to deprive them of this self-confidence, and then to elicit their total submission, by restituting their former success. …]Thanks to these psychological tendencies, out task of manipulating Christians is considerably easier. …] proclaiming liberalism to our Christian members, we will keep them in the clutches of absolute obedience”(liberalism here means that you have the right to believe whatever you want within your religion, which destroys religions from within (syncretism), and it also means moral relativism, which destroys the fabric of societies!). (Protocol #15, cf. Writings, v. VI, (1044), p. 478). A brief analysis of these “constitutions” indicates that the real goal of Freemasonry is diametrically in opposition with what the masonic Lodges’ members think! They join for “social” reasons! “If our Founding Fathers did,” they say, “Why can’t we.” They are totally unaware that they are being used as a cover for the real agenda of a few unknown, ever-renewing itself, group of ultra concealed, unscrupulous individuals, whose main intent is “to pave the way to the anticipated dominion of Antichrist,” by wrestling the power from the powers-that-be, especially Christianity, and then by assuming all power! True, or false? Only God ultimately knows! Can we Christians blame our brothers and sisters in the Lodges off-hand? No! But we have the duty to alert them that something may not be as they think!
 
you need to read some of the accepted prophecies of the saints,you wouldn’t even be asking this if you knew the whole truth. Answer is an absolutely no, no buts ifs or anything. I know that alot of the men in the masons don’t even see what is in the future for By the way so you know if you are a catholic dont lower yourself down to criticism of other faiths because i know that alot of people from them will see and enter the presence of god before many a catholic, and thats a fact read your bible and live the word.
 
you need to read some of the accepted prophecies of the Saints,you wouldn’t even be asking this if you knew the whole truth. Answer is an absolutely no, no buts ifs or anything. I know that alot of the men in the masons don’t even see what is in the future for By the way so you know if you are a catholic dont lower yourself down to criticism of other faiths because i know that alot of people from them will see and enter the presence of god before many a catholic, and thats a fact read your bible and live the word.
A. It’s an interesting post. Could you restate it in some other language, like French, Italian, Polish, Russian, or Spanish? I have some difficulty with English theses days. From what I gather, you say this: (1) We should all read authoritative prophecies of Saints agreed, we should in a spare time. Even Protestants should read Catholic Saints!]; We do not need to ask, if we know the answer agreed! Why should we ask, if we know? On the other hand, sometimes questions need to be asked to clarify issues and make inventions. So this thought is ambiguous.]; (3) We absolutely cannot, and do not know all the truth agreed!]No human knows all! On the other hand, Jesus promissed us a Paraclete that will teach us all truth! So this is ambiguous again; (4) Some masons can’t even see what’s ahead for them [agreed. Only Jesus can tell them! We all need His Spirit, not just masons!]; (5) We should not criticize other faiths agree and disagree: a compassionate analysis of ideas is an absolute necessity for humanity: that’s what theology is for. But you are right that individuals in other faiths are often holier than Christians! This, according to John Paul II, means that “they worship Jesus without sometimes knowing Him.” As a theologian, I can say without hesitation that Jesus will know and acknowledge such people after death!]; and (6) We surely must read the Bible and live the word! But in my opinion we do need a Magisterium to insure that we interpret correctly! But I to a great extent agree with you that a holy living of the Word of God, helps. Still, the question about *what is holiness *may need to be left for another discussion. I am greatly interested in that question! agreed!]. Let me know if I have misinterpreted your post.
 
Hi Dallas Texas 👋 I don’t think I ever asked you before, what Catholic Church do you belong to. What I mean is I am Roman Catholic. What are You?
 
To A Friend of God

Thank you so much for your posts regarding freemasonry.

You’ve verbalized what I’ve believed for so many years.

All the masons that I’ve known well over the years (only 6 or 7) have been have been very anti Roman Catholic They’ve believed our faith to be based on superstition and icon worshipping

Bob.
 
Hi Dallas Texas 👋 I don’t think I ever asked you before, what Catholic Church do you belong to. What I mean is I am Roman Catholic. What are You?
Hi Rinnie,

Thank you for your post.

I am Roman Catholic.
 
Hi Rinnie,

Thank you for your post.

I am Roman Catholic.
Oh, Ok, I always meant to ask you but always forgot. Dallas I am sure you and Father must have had alot of talks about this. If its not to personal, what was his take on it. How did he explain it to you?
 
Oh, Ok, I always meant to ask you but always forgot. Dallas I am sure you and Father must have had alot of talks about this. If its not to personal, what was his take on it. How did he explain it to you?
Hey rinnie,

The two with whom I have discussed the matter directly both told me that it was not a sin as long as the fraternity was not doing anything against the Church and not a religion unto itself.

One of the two priest, said that his dad was a mason and his mom was eastern star (masonic women’s organization–he was raised a Methodist). After reading the documentation, he was surprised at the findings.

Both said that the Church’s prohibition on the fraternity is in no way covered under papal infallibility.

Thank you for your question rinnie.
 
Both said that the Church’s prohibition on the fraternity is in no way covered under papal infallibility.
It doesn’t matter. As a parent, my commands will in no way be covered by any charism of infallibility, and yet my children will still be obligated under pain of sin to obey them unless they would sin by doing so. You would not sin by leaving the Masons, therefore it is sin for you to remain enrolled as such. The precept of the Church is still a precept that you’re obligated to obey unless it contradicts God’s laws, and God’s laws do not contradict the Church’s prohibition against being enrolled as a Mason.

All you’re doing is rationalizing your sin.

Jeremy
 
Both said that the Church’s prohibition on the fraternity is in no way covered under papal infallibility.
It doesn’t matter. As a parent, my commands will in no way be covered by any charism of infallibility, and yet my children will still be obligated under pain of sin to obey them unless they would sin by doing so. You would not sin by leaving the Masons, therefore it is sin for you to remain enrolled as such. The precept of the Church is still a precept that you’re obligated to obey unless it contradicts God’s laws, and God’s laws do not contradict the Church’s prohibition against being enrolled as a Mason.

All you’re doing is rationalizing your sin.

Jeremy
Furthermore to your point, I would be called a heretic for being against the Papal Bulls listed below:
**Ad Exstirpanda **(May 15, 1252 by Pope Innocent IV) - the use of torture for obtaining a confession,
**Romanus Pontifex ** (January 8, 1455 by Pope Nicholas V) - permission to enslave and take land from non-Christians,
Cum nimis absurdum (July 14, 1555 by Pope Paul IV) - reinstates the economic restrictions on Jewish people in the Papal States,
I am most certain that there are a few others that I have missed.
Jeremy,

Thank you for your post.

Please say what you want to about me. I would not have followed the above listed instructions from the Church either.

I would never expect my children to do something that is wrong just because I told them to do so–I hope that I would never tell them to do something that is wrong (at least knowingly).

Parents are not perfect.

My faith goes with The Man who walks on water.
 
Jeremy,

Thank you for your post.

Please say what you want to about me. I would not have followed the above listed instructions from the Church either.

I would never expect my children to do something that is wrong just because I told them to do so–I hope that I would never tell them to do something that is wrong (at least knowingly).

Parents are not perfect.

My faith goes with The Man who walks on water.
The Man who walks on water gave authority to the Man with the staff. 🙂 Disobey the one, you disobey the other. Disobey the Mother, you’re disobeying the Father.

Nothing immoral about leaving the Masons. Something immoral about thinking you can be Catholic and not obey the Pope.

I don’t care if it’s the Masons or your local fraternity at college, who offend the Pope somehow with a keg party, the Pope says you’re out of the fraternity or else, you’re out of the fraternity or else.

Those priests who told you what they did, if you went up the chain of command you’d hear a different story – and they should hear it too. That’s how it goes.

I know you don’t want to leave your frat buddies, but you can still go out for drinks with them outside the Masons.

These type of simple choices come up in Christianity. Choose an idol, choose God, again and again. You make your choice between them, you can’t pretend you’re going both ways at once though you wish to.

As for those three Papal documents you cite, I could speak about the reasons for each one in the context of the times. Nothing intrinsically immoral there, however distasteful it might be to modern culture. But I am not going to go into them in detail because that would be a pointless and distracting diversion. The broad point you want to make with them seems to be ‘the Pope being mistaken about some disciplinary command or another, you’re free to disobey at will’. That isn’t true for Catholicism. It has to be something intrinsically immoral to do.

The Pope has authority to tell you to leave a fraternity or organization. It trumps and absolves any oaths, which are always to be taken with the caveat of God’s authority and always are under God’s authorities regardless. It’s the Pope’s to decide. It may be anti- your way of thinking to think he has this authority, but that would be a very Masonic and non-Catholic view of things. Catholicism is big on authority, because God is big on authority. Very big on it if you read your scriptures.

Now, since I posted that magazine up there with countless anti-Catholic articles in it, I want to know what goes on at your local chapter that makes you think it so innocent. Why don’t you tell us all about the creeds, doctrines, agreements, and rituals there so we can expose them to the good clean air and talk about whether they’re anti-Catholic or not?

Show us what it is at the local chapter that makes a person a Mason, give us all the details, the documents the oaths, what you sign on to.

And if you took an oath against doing so… so that you can’t reveal it to us… Don’t you think it’s anti-Catholic that you can’t even expose something to Catholic discernment? That the Masons hide what they do even from the Church? That in fact they oppose her, and are anti-Christian because they do not want to ever agree with her or submit to her in any way?

Deny submission to Christ, deny submission to the Church… it’s how it works. . they go together. . it may be foreign to your way of thinking at first… and I’m sorry in a sense that it’s troubling to you, but I’m not sorry tell you the truth that you do have to leave, and that it is a scandal and against Christianity to be a member.

If you want to really be honest and above-board by this, take this up the chain of command yourself. Write to the Vatican, and ask if you can be a member, and why not because your local chapter is good.
 
Hey rinnie,

The two with whom I have discussed the matter directly both told me that it was not a sin as long as the fraternity was not doing anything against the Church and not a religion unto itself.

One of the two priest, said that his dad was a mason and his mom was eastern star (masonic women’s organization–he was raised a Methodist). After reading the documentation, he was surprised at the findings.

Both said that the Church’s prohibition on the fraternity is in no way covered under papal infallibility.

Thank you for your question rinnie.
I believe what you are saying, don’t get me wrong, but this is what stumps me, Why would a priest say that its okay, and the Church say you can’t receive the Body of Christ. If it was me, I would go to the Bishop in your State. Because while a Priest should know everything about the Church, maybe he is misinformed or something.

I really like you Dallas, and while I want you to be happy, I also want to make sure you are not putting your soul in grave danger thats all. It just shocks me how a Priest can go against the Pope. Especially that you are RC and all. But please check it out a little more thats all. I kmow at lent (tonight actually in my church) there are like 7 priests there for confession, maybe if you can hit confession this week at your Church you can try another priest and get his opinion. Thanks Dallas. 😃
 
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