Can God defy logic or resolve paradox?

[Bahman]

Well here we all know you do not like a God outside of time… but let’s assume for arguements sake God exists outside of time and created the universe. Then Genesis would be literal from God’s perspective but figurative from ours. To God these thing happened in the blink of an eye…as has been told to you before, if you lived in a box and all sides were white, you would say the outside is white… but the outside might be black

Jesus could teach people the story of beginning of time with a simple language who people can understand the [story](http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of time.html). What is figurative? Many people just was mislead with the Genesis for centuries. Now we know the right story. So what we do with verse? It is figurative.

 

[thinkandmull]

It wasn’t important maybe to the ancients to know the scientific facts about the big bang

 

[LethalMouse]

Jesus could teach people the story of beginning of time with a simple language who people can understand the [story](http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of time.html). What is figurative? Many people just was mislead with the Genesis for centuries. Now we know the right story. So what we do with verse? It is figurative.

You completely ignored the assumption of God outside time. Ergo the general method stated in Genesis would be more accurate than not from GOD’S perspective. And is enough information to cover the general jist.

 

[LethalMouse]

I will answer you using only Bahman quotes:

**They have not told me anything et all. **That is a good approach about somebody who search the truth.

Please see what Bahman says here:

I do strongly believe in spiritual word. It is just too huge. It is not simply Heaven and Hell. I just cannot understand death. They don’t tell me.

I am just told who they are when I ask. Believe it or not Satan and God are good friend of each other!

How you could be sure that you are not ruled by Satan? He is very tricky and his intelligence and power are far beyond ours. You don’t need to worry about me, he cheated me sometimes but I am getting better and better by time. It is a good mental exercise!

Now for another portion of Bahman vs Bahman

That applies to any system of thought. How could you be sure that Jesus was not a simple man misguided with Satan? I have no faith but searching the truth and I also check my knowledge constantly. That is a must for anyone who is sincere with herself/himself. What is your answer to the paradox anyway?

Forgetting how much the bold conflicts with the above posts… Let’s see what Bahman says about Bahman’s faith:

In fact my faith looks like more true than yours: Why we should live a life full of evil?, why God allows Satan to tempt us?..

NOW Bahman, you ask me this:

I would be happy to see someone find an error in my arguments

When in the same post you say the infamous Bahman answer that appears in about 1 in 5 posts. THINK about this Bahman, you say no one finds error but you CONSTANTLY post the following in every thread:

I don’t understand you.

Do you realize that the ONLY reason you perceive that no one can find error in your arguments or logic is because EVERY time they are presented you will inevitably say

I don’t understand you.

That does not mean there is no error, it means you are locked in your mind and incapable of seeing anything else anyone says…

 

[Bahman]

Adult knowledge (apart from theology) is half true, half false. Reason that comes about around seven says for example that the water in a glass has the same volume if you put it in another glass. That is HUMAN reason. But it is not true in the whole for reasons we can’t understand. Take a ball: break it in half. Then break one of those pieces in half, and so on. Line up the pieces from the biggest to the smallest. Put your finger to the smallest side. What is there? Well, it actually must go on to infinity. So a finite thing is actually infinite? The same is with a circle’s circumference. Pie goes on forever. Even points on a segment are infinite. Two mutually exclusive things (finity and infinity) merge together. So our minds are imperfectly mathematical. The reasoning powers only go so far till we find a cliché. Without theology we would live life without a rock. This argues for the truth of revelation

I don’t understand how your comment is related to OP.

 

[Bahman]

You asked earlier why I am not skeptical, yousay I accept a system of thought but you do not know my journey. I have been beyond skeptical and dabbled well outside Catholicism. I have studied sciences and religions. I have formed my own system of purpose and function “outside of God” I have doubted spiritual experiences and dismissed them as possible mental moments.

Good for you. But why you stop searching? Spiritual world is huge similar to earthy knowledge we have but much bigger.

The difference between me and you is my spiritual experiences only functioned in a way to not conflict with that which has been shown before.

How do you know that my spiritual experience are not consistent?

During my time away from God I developed the same ideas as Him even where I was not taught of His ways. My issues with the faith were things I did not understand to be untrue and not actually of the faith.

So you think that everything is consistent within your world view?

In studying science I only understood God more and more rather than fibd myself more confused. As a scientific atheist I was “my own god” in a sense and turns out that I found the same thought process God seems to have in the role… He makes perfect sense to me. Like becoming a parent and finding out your parents were right, there is only one way God could be and make sense, and that is the same version of God that ofteb referenced as the Abrahamic God… He is simply logical. And in that, is the very reason that you continually seek Him out despite all your “paradoxs”

I think that the concept of God arises from linear thinking. There is carpenter because there a chair hence there is a God because there is a universe. We simply use the concept of causality as we learn from our interaction to world surrounding us so we simply use the same idea to explain where everything comes from. We notice from study of physics that laws of nature could simply break down in specific region of reality.

 

[Bahman]

Bahman, proofs for God are philosophical proofs. If you believe that the world has always existed, is just there, and science is all that is real, there is really nothing we can present to you that will work

I have a paradox about beginning of creation. Do you think that God can resolve it. The paradox is also applicable to a world without God with slight changes.

What do you think of logic. Can God defy logic?

 

[Bahman]

Exactly what I wrote. What is unclear?

You wrote: “You do not know this.” What it is supposed to mean?

What does this mean?

I meant that words of God must be 100% correct so even a small flaw is not acceptable.

Not according to your posting history.

This is something related to me. So only I can understand it.

 

[Bahman]

There comes a point in ones life when they realize that Christianity makes sense. There is no way to prove ancient documents are accurate. The victors write the histories. Often Christians make to much of history, thinking everything written down is truth, even about supernatural claims. Of course Homer mentions activities of the gods, and maybe they were angels, or maybe Homer made them up. There is no way to know. But people have been trying to find contradictions in the Bible for centuries. There aren’t any

I think one can find errors in Bible if they search honestly without any bias. Just take the example of Genesis 1:1.

 

[Bahman]

It wasn’t important maybe to the ancients to know the scientific facts about the big bang

How come that could be unimportant? That is the starting point that we come from. And then creation of Adam and Eve and fall of human? We are given the false information. How people could neglect this?

 

[Bahman]

You completely ignored the assumption of God outside time. Ergo the general method stated in Genesis would be more accurate than not from GOD’S perspective. And is enough information to cover the general jist.

God cannot be outside of time since time does not exist. Moreover God could easily explain the story of creation from our perspective since He is omniscient.

 

[Bahman]

I will answer you using only Bahman quotes:

Please see what Bahman says here:

Now for another portion of Bahman vs Bahman

Forgetting how much the bold conflicts with the above posts… Let’s see what Bahman says about Bahman’s faith:

NOW Bahman, you ask me this:

When in the same post you say the infamous Bahman answer that appears in about 1 in 5 posts. THINK about this Bahman, you say no one finds error but you CONSTANTLY post the following in every thread:

Do you realize that the ONLY reason you perceive that no one can find error in your arguments or logic is because EVERY time they are presented you will inevitably say

That does not mean there is no error, it means you are locked in your mind and incapable of seeing anything else anyone says…

These are just off topic. I think it would be more useful for you to discuss about OP.

 

[LethalMouse]

God cannot be outside of time since time does not exist. Moreover God could easily explain the story of creation from our perspective since He is omniscient.

You need to look up the expression “for arguments sake”. If you operate from absolutes you can not view anyone else’s opinion. (Note in the threads/posts where I say IF your parameters are correct on certain items then so is your subsequent theory. Ergo if I refused to step outside my thought for even a moment I could not give you such credit, which is what you are doing to me here.)

 

[LethalMouse]

Good for you. But why you stop searching? Spiritual world is huge similar to earthy knowledge we have but much bigger.

Stop all learning? no. But, if you want to know who sailed to America and find out it was Christopher Columbus…Do you keep reading the same sentence “It was Christopher Columbus” over and over again? or do you move on?

How do you know that my spiritual experience are not consistent?

Because you have stated them here in the forums, and they conflict with the reported experiences of everyone else that has had some with the exception of those who declare their experiences evil/demonic… (which is why we will pray for you)

So you think that everything is consistent within your world view?

Generally yes. Or I would probably not be a practicing Catholic

I think that the concept of God arises from linear thinking. There is carpenter because there a chair hence there is a God because there is a universe. We simply use the concept of causality as we learn from our interaction to world surrounding us so we simply use the same idea to explain where everything comes from. We notice from study of physics that laws of nature could simply break down in specific region of reality.

Well, I am not even sure where you are at with this since in some posts you state factually there is a God and you chat with him. You also say God is impossible. Atheism is impossible etc… So here you say God is a mental construct because the laws of physics can’t not be what you see them as, but you also say they didn’t exist anyway at the point of the big bang…so idk how to answer you

 

[LethalMouse]

These are just off topic. I think it would be more useful for you to discuss about OP.

You should play professional dodgeball LOL.

And please note you did here exactly what my post said you do whenever presented with information that you cannot refute…

 

[WJeffrey]

This is something related to me. So only I can understand it.

This is an excellent summary of your logic. I agree with you.

 

[WJeffrey]

You wrote: " This is something related to me. So only I can understand it.

This is an excellent summary of your logic. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

 

[Bahman]

You need to look up the expression “for arguments sake”. If you operate from absolutes you can not view anyone else’s opinion.

I think I need to open another thread for time, to show that time does not exist and God cannot be outside of it.

I think I am open enough to search the truth and accept the truth from others.

(Note in the threads/posts where I say IF your parameters are correct on certain items then so is your subsequent theory. Ergo if I refused to step outside my thought for even a moment I could not give you such credit, which is what you are doing to me here.)

You need to search the truth. That is a part of our spiritual journeys. It is up to you to be a follower or not. What is the point if God tells us the truth?

 

[LethalMouse]

I think I need to open another thread for time, to show that time does not exist and God cannot be outside of it.

I think I am open enough to search the truth and accept the truth from others.

You need to search the truth. That is a part of our spiritual journeys. It is up to you to be a follower or not. What is the point if God tells us the truth?

Your first two sentences contradict each other

your third basically means you did not begin to grasp what it was responding to.

“I am open to what others say” while saying “I need to make another thread to explain to the idiots my parameters” Do you really not see how you contradict yourself?

And BTW we all know your opinion on time/God, you have like 12 threads telling everyone ever they are all wrong…

 

[Bahman]

Stop all learning? no. But, if you want to know who sailed to America and find out it was Christopher Columbus…Do you keep reading the same sentence “It was Christopher Columbus” over and over again? or do you move on?

How you can search the truth if you stick to your faith?

Because you have stated them here in the forums, and they conflict with the reported experiences of everyone else that has had some with the exception of those who declare their experiences evil/demonic… (which is why we will pray for you)

I have experience of evil and good spirit. They don’t tell me what is truth but I consider them as my master.

Generally yes. Or I would probably not be a practicing Catholic

Good for you. You will see.

Well, I am not even sure where you are at with this since in some posts you state factually there is a God and you chat with him. You also say God is impossible. Atheism is impossible etc… So here you say God is a mental construct because the laws of physics can’t not be what you see them as, but you also say they didn’t exist anyway at the point of the big bang…so idk how to answer you

I have to be sure about my faith. And I won’t stop searching until my death because I believe that we have to search the truth. For now I am puzzled with many things and that is why you sometimes see inconsistency in my words.