Can God defy logic or resolve paradox?

[Bahman]

You should play professional dodgeball LOL.

And please note you did here exactly what my post said you do whenever presented with information that you cannot refute…

Because I have tons of puzzle in my head and to be honest I was tired of answering your questions. This is the word of a person who commit herself or himself to find the truth.

 

[Bahman]

Your first two sentences contradict each other

I don’t see any contradiction. Could you pleas elaborate?

your third basically means you did not begin to grasp what it was responding to. “I am open to what others say” while saying “I need to make another thread to explain to the idiots my parameters” Do you really not see how you contradict yourself?

I don’t think so.

And BTW we all know your opinion on time/God, you have like 12 threads telling everyone ever they are all wrong…

I have to tell the truth.

 

[LethalMouse]

I don’t see any contradiction. Could you pleas elaborate?

I don’t think so.

I have to tell the truth.

Idk how to elaborate more than saying that you say both:

You are open to other points of view

While also saying:

You are telling them they are definitely wrong…

These are two completely contradictory facts…

“I have to tell the truth”

But do you not think that there is a chance that if only ONE person in the entire world has a view of the “truth” they just maybe might be the wrong ones? I mean I have dabbled in arrogance before… like seriously… but damn dude you are taking it to a level of which I can only stand in awe. Even when I have an irregular(“superior”) view, SOMEONE somewhere holds it too…if I were truly alone I would have to question my sanity, which you seem to not ever call into question…

 

[LethalMouse]

How you can search the truth if you stick to your faith?

I am not of blind faith. I have led my journey to where I believe on faith and evidence the CC holds truth and divine guidance. I had concerns of things that IF were teaching I could not reconcile as true. I believe on faith those things will not by divine guidance become a teaching. If they did I would most likely lose faith in the CC… so I am not that hard headed in terms of hearing new ideas. But the ideas of Bahman have less sway than of anyone else.

I have experience of evil and good spirit. They don’t tell me what is truth but I consider them as my master.

Every faith says this is bad except for satanism. You say they don’t give you your ideas that defy every other idea ever… Do you nit think that if you submit to evil spirits they might be influencing you in more ways than you know? It sounds to anyone like you have chosen to call demons master and wonder why “I am puzzled with many things” as you say…

Good for you. You will see.

Thanks, and since I do not submit myself to demonic masters I will probably never see what you see…

I have to be sure about my faith. And I won’t stop searching until my death because I believe that we have to search the truth. For now I am puzzled with many things and that is why you sometimes see inconsistency in my words.

You can keep searching and learning. I learn something new everyday. But if you follow demonic masters, fail to give consideration to parameters outside your own construct, and fail to acknowledge that maybe it is of your own issues tht you are puzzled and inconsistent… you will never find truth.

In fact you swear adamantly that you have certain answers based on the “correct” parameters while simultaneously saying you are inconsistent and puzzled IS ONE GIANT CONTRADICTION??? Are you truly incapable of sewing that???

 

[Bahman]

Idk how to elaborate more than saying that you say both:

You are open to other points of view

While also saying:

You are telling them they are definitely wrong…

These are two completely contradictory facts…

To be open means that keep your mind open to understand other opinion and judge it. It doesn’t mean to accept it blindly.

“I have to tell the truth”

But do you not think that there is a chance that if only ONE person in the entire world has a view of the “truth” they just maybe might be the wrong ones? I mean I have dabbled in arrogance before… like seriously… but damn dude you are taking it to a level of which I can only stand in awe. Even when I have an irregular(“superior”) view, SOMEONE somewhere holds it too…if I were truly alone I would have to question my sanity, which you seem to not ever call into question…

I have to tell the truth only means that I am responsible to say what is right or wrong in my opinion. I could be wrong. I can understand my flaw only through discussion with others or contemplating myself. There is no other way to find the truth.

 

[Bahman]

I am not of blind faith. I have led my journey to where I believe on faith and evidence the CC holds truth and divine guidance. I had concerns of things that IF were teaching I could not reconcile as true. I believe on faith those things will not by divine guidance become a teaching. If they did I would most likely lose faith in the CC… so I am not that hard headed in terms of hearing new ideas. But the ideas of Bahman have less sway than of anyone else.

What is your opinion about Genesis 1:1? please do not tell me that it figurative.

Every faith says this is bad except for satanism. You say they don’t give you your ideas that defy every other idea ever… Do you nit think that if you submit to evil spirits they might be influencing you in more ways than you know? It sounds to anyone like you have chosen to call demons master and wonder why “I am puzzled with many things” as you say…

I don’t submit to them. I know they know much more than me so I keep respect for them. I have to find the truth myself. They sometimes influence me but I will find the right way after ward.

Thanks, and since I do not submit myself to demonic masters I will probably never see what you see…

I think I will see you.

You can keep searching and learning. I learn something new everyday. But if you follow demonic masters, fail to give consideration to parameters outside your own construct, and fail to acknowledge that maybe it is of your own issues tht you are puzzled and inconsistent… you will never find truth.

Maybe I don’t find all the truth but I try my best. Knowledge is huge.

In fact you swear adamantly that you have certain answers based on the “correct” parameters while simultaneously saying you are inconsistent and puzzled IS ONE GIANT CONTRADICTION??? Are you truly incapable of sewing that???

Aren’t you really puzzled? Where your God have all knowledge and power from? You accept it as truth I accept it as a puzzle. It is as simple as that.

 

[Aloysium]

. . . I accept it as a puzzle. It is as simple as that.

The first step towards wisdom.
Existence, wonder of wonders.
Nothing, as you would have it.
Everywhere and in everything.

 

[LethalMouse]

What is your opinion about Genesis 1:1? please do not tell me that it figurative.

Are we reading the same bible? “In the beginning, God created heaven and earth”

Umm that is exactly the simplest thing…God the Almighty Creator of the Universe…ummm you know…Created the universe.

I don’t submit to them. I know they know much more than me so I keep respect for them. I have to find the truth myself. They sometimes influence me but I will find the right way after ward.

Again PLEASE get help

I think I will see you.

See me? see me where? Imply I am bound to where your demonic masters live? I won’t rule it out, but I will sure not respect or serve them as master. Even sent to Hell I will still side with God.

Maybe I don’t find all the truth but I try my best. Knowledge is huge.

Admirable. Just get rid of the demons…

Aren’t you really puzzled? Where your God have all knowledge and power from? You accept it as truth I accept it as a puzzle. It is as simple as that.

Puzzled, more generally curious on some stuff, but I feel I have a pretty decent understanding of much. I can conceive God and His creation, His love and His will. I may not know the math behind each thing but I get the concept and find little mystery in it.

 

[LethalMouse]

To be open means that keep your mind open to understand other opinion and judge it. It doesn’t mean to accept it blindly.

You miss the fact that you cannot be truly open if you judge everything on self made immovable parameters.

I have to tell the truth only means that I am responsible to say what is right or wrong in my opinion. I could be wrong. I can understand my flaw only through discussion with others or contemplating myself. There is no other way to find the truth.

You won’t see flaw because you are stuck within your specific parameters that no one else is in…

 

[Bahman]

Are we reading the same bible? “In the beginning, God created heaven and earth”

Yes.

Umm that is exactly the simplest thing…God the Almighty Creator of the Universe…ummm you know…Created the universe.

But your God according to scripture only created Earth not universe! We also know that Earth was not created but formed from the dust which left from a supernova.

Again PLEASE get help

I don’t need any help.

See me? see me where? Imply I am bound to where your demonic masters live? I won’t rule it out, but I will sure not respect or serve them as master. Even sent to Hell I will still side with God.

I don’t that God is so unfair to keep me forever in Hell. What do you think?

Admirable. Just get rid of the demons…

They are my buddies. You are just afraid so much.

Puzzled, more generally curious on some stuff, but I feel I have a pretty decent understanding of much. I can conceive God and His creation, His love and His will. I may not know the math behind each thing but I get the concept and find little mystery in it.

You call creation a little mystery?

 

[Bahman]

You miss the fact that you cannot be truly open if you judge everything on self made immovable parameters.

I don’t have any immovable parameters. I am free. My religion is wherever it may go.

You won’t see flaw because you are stuck within your specific parameters that no one else is in…

I don’t think so.

 

[Bahman]

The first step towards wisdom.
Existence, wonder of wonders.
Nothing, as you would have it.
Everywhere and in everything.

I am sorry but I don’t understand what you are talking about.

 

[LethalMouse]

Yes.

But your God according to scripture only created Earth not universe! We also know that Earth was not created but formed from the dust which left from a supernova.

“Heavens” have always been used intermixed with the vastness of space/universe. We also can see things being created via God within a method that he did not detail to the letter. I see absolutely no contradiction. Even atheists don’t use the quote you did to prove contradiction because it is the least debatable line in the bible basically in terms of contradiction.

I don’t need any help.

Whenever Satan “has driven me to madness” the person stating such needs help.

I don’t that God is so unfair to keep me forever in Hell. What do you think?

I just have no idea what “You will see me” means… Unless you imply that Satan will drive me to madness as you say he did you, which is why I have God and do not acknowledge Satan as my master…

They are my buddies. You are just afraid so much.

False friends are no friends. And no I am not afraid, I could care less about a demon as it holds no sway over me. I would gladly meet yours…I am just unlikely to be their buddy.

You call creation a little mystery?

I know where the rain comes from, some 3rd worlders do not. The fact that evaporation and precipitation cycles exist may be a grand mystery to them, but it is not to me.

 

[LethalMouse]

I don’t have any immovable parameters. I am free. My religion is wherever it may go.

You counter everything anyone says with your made up parameters as supposedly absolute truth. That my friend is the definition of immovable parameters. And you have never in a post given the slightest inclination to be able to view something “for arguments sake”.

I don’t think so.

If I think the Earth is flat, it does not make it so. If you don’t think you have an issue it does not mean you do not.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Logic is generally held to consist of the systematic study of the form of arguments. A valid argument is one where there is a specific relation of logical support between the assumptions of the argument and its conclusion. Logic also is the study of fallacies and paradoxes.

Given the above definition, can God defy logic? Can God resolve a paradox.

Logic can also be defined in terms of the 3 laws of thought:

1. The Law of non-contradiction
2. The Law of excluded middle
3. The Law of Identity

I don’t believe we fully know the answer to your questions. Traditional thought on the matter is that all 3 laws must be present in relation to a claim or a subject matter in order for it to exist in reality. With the exception of the law of non-contradiction, I’m not aware of any person, place, thing, or act that can be done by violating the laws of logic.

I make an exception to contradictions because there are some mental conditions that cause contradictory thoughts and/or behaviors, that do exist or occur in reality beyond just theory. For instance, if you sever the connection between someone’s right and left brain hemispheres, that for a time can lead to the brain giving the person contradictory instructions which then leads to contradictory thoughts/behaviors. This is called ‘split-brain syndrome’.

 

[Bahman]

“Heavens” have always been used intermixed with the vastness of space/universe. We also can see things being created via God within a method that he did not detail to the letter. I see absolutely no contradiction. Even atheists don’t use the quote you did to prove contradiction because it is the least debatable line in the bible basically in terms of contradiction.

I was talking about the story of creation. We know well today that creation cannot look like to something which is expressed in the Bible.

Whenever Satan “has driven me to madness” the person stating such needs help.

To whom I should ask for help? God? God set Satan free to do whatever he thinks right with us.

I just have no idea what “You will see me” means… Unless you imply that Satan will drive me to madness as you say he did you, which is why I have God and do not acknowledge Satan as my master…

It is all up to you. You didn’t answer me why God set Satan free?

False friends are no friends. And no I am not afraid, I could care less about a demon as it holds no sway over me. I would gladly meet yours…I am just unlikely to be their buddy.

It is all up to you. You just never know how big is spiritual world.

I know where the rain comes from, some 3rd worlders do not. The fact that evaporation and precipitation cycles exist may be a grand mystery to them, but it is not to me.

You are not answering my question.

 

[Bahman]

You counter everything anyone says with your made up parameters as supposedly absolute truth. That my friend is the definition of immovable parameters. And you have never in a post given the slightest inclination to be able to view something “for arguments sake”.

That is you who have immovable parameters because you have accepted a faith!

If I think the Earth is flat, it does not make it so. If you don’t think you have an issue it does not mean you do not.

I am talking with people openly. I correct myself if I find an error in my thinking.

 

[o_mlly]

That is you who have immovable parameters because you have accepted a faith!

People of faith do not I think have “immovable parameters.” They do, as you, have the same sources of knowledge – experience and reason. But they also have another (more certain) source for knowledge – faith. People of faith can know all that people without faith can know and more. This is not a boast. Faith is a gift from God, freely given, never merited. We are humbled that He would reveal Himself to us.

 

[Bahman]

People of faith do not I think have “immovable parameters.” They do, as you, have the same sources of knowledge – experience and reason. But they also have another (more certain) source for knowledge – faith. People of faith can know all that people without faith can know and more. This is not a boast. Faith is a gift from God, freely given, never merited. We are humbled that He would reveal Himself to us.

And what would you do when there is contradiction between your reason and your faith?