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Montalban
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You’ve already denied the authority of anyone in Islam to teach here in Australia
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Montalban
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Obvious Moslem tactic. It’s “Hey, let’s not talk about the topic at hand, let’s attack Christianity”.
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Montalban
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You don’t even think it’s interesting that a Christian site would be blocked by your own country?
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kellie
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It might be because those sites are .uk and .de and UAE only allows .com sites, hence why Catholic Answers gets through filter.
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dolphinlove
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Montalban,
We all know that of course a lot christian websites wont be allowed in mainly muslim countries, they might discover the truth of Jesus.
I just hope they dont wake up and cut this site off to them so they will have some reference to the truth which is Jesus.
Now I must go back and finish all these questions Khalfan has about christianity then cut and paste all the discrepancies of the quran to him.
We all know that of course a lot christian websites wont be allowed in mainly muslim countries, they might discover the truth of Jesus.
I just hope they dont wake up and cut this site off to them so they will have some reference to the truth which is Jesus.
Now I must go back and finish all these questions Khalfan has about christianity then cut and paste all the discrepancies of the quran to him.
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El_Paulo
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I will not simply take your word because you claim to be a particular authority on Islam; in fact, an appeal to your own authority demands that your claims be challenged. For me, this is the nub of what I’m trying to get at (particularly the first part)…
Can you not accept that Islam might differ from your interpretation of it and that most Muslims will never be a threat to you or to anyone else because of their Muslim faith?
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guanophore
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I am confused. What is the purpose of your post, and why are you posting it in this thread? Does it have something to do with the topic here? It seems to belong better in another thread that is focused right now on why the student of the scripture requires the guidance of the church.
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guanophore
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This is very interesting. I wonder why that is?
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Rachel_Malloy
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Khalfan and those responding, please feel free to take the discussion to a new thread.
Thank you and God bless-
Rachel
Thank you and God bless-
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Booklover
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Not if you know what the Quran teaches. What do you make of these?
faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm
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Khalfan
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Because I am a Muslim and the topic is can you handle those questions without getting angry. I hope there are many who can.
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Booklover
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Here is an interesting article for those who keep bringing up the violence in the OT and the Crusades when someone criticizes islam. It’s long but worth reading!
Here are a couple of excerpts, one dealing with the OT and the other with the crusades:
Old Testament violence is an interesting case in point. Yahweh clearly ordered the Hebrews to annihilate the Canaanites and surrounding peoples. Such violence is therefore an expression of God’s will, for good or ill. Regardless, all the historic violence committed by the Hebrews and recorded in the Old Testament is just that—history. It happened; God commanded it. But it revolved around a specific time and place and was directed against a specific people. At no time did such violence go on to become standardized or codified into Jewish law (i.e. the Halakha).
This is where Islamic violence is unique. Though similar to the violence of the Old Testament—commanded by God and manifested in history—certain aspects of Islamic violence have become standardized in Islamic law (i.e. the Sharia) and apply at all times. Thus while the violence found in the Koran is in fact historical, its ultimate significance is theological. Consider the following Koranic verses:
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the pagans wherever you find them—take them [captive], besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due *, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger *, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth *, from the people of the book *, until they pay tribute with willing submission, and feel themselves utterly subdued (9:29).
and:
As for Christianity, much of the Old Testament law was abrogated by Jesus. “Eye for an eye” gave way to “turn the other cheek.” Totally loving God and one’s neighbor became supreme law (Matt 22:38-40). Furthermore, Jesus’ “Sunna”—as in “What would Jesus do?”—is characterized by passivity and altruism.
And it is from here that one can best appreciate the Crusades. However one interprets these wars—as offensive or defensive, just or unjust—it is plainly evident that they were not*** based on the teachings of the New Testament or the example of Jesus who exhorted his followers to “love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Matt 5:44). The Crusaders—not the jihadists—are the ones who have contradicted their religion.
In fact, far from suggesting anything intrinsic to Christianity, the Crusades ironically help better explain Islam. For what the Crusades demonstrated once and for all is that irrespective of religious teachings—indeed, in the case of these so-called “Christian” Crusades, despite them—man is truly predisposed to violence and intolerance. But this begs the question: If this is how Christians behaved—who are commanded to love, bless, and do good to their enemies who hate, curse, and persecute them—how much more can be expected of Muslims who, while sharing the same violent tendencies, are further commanded by the Deity to attack, kill, and plunder non-believers?
frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27234
Vickie
Here are a couple of excerpts, one dealing with the OT and the other with the crusades:
Old Testament violence is an interesting case in point. Yahweh clearly ordered the Hebrews to annihilate the Canaanites and surrounding peoples. Such violence is therefore an expression of God’s will, for good or ill. Regardless, all the historic violence committed by the Hebrews and recorded in the Old Testament is just that—history. It happened; God commanded it. But it revolved around a specific time and place and was directed against a specific people. At no time did such violence go on to become standardized or codified into Jewish law (i.e. the Halakha).
This is where Islamic violence is unique. Though similar to the violence of the Old Testament—commanded by God and manifested in history—certain aspects of Islamic violence have become standardized in Islamic law (i.e. the Sharia) and apply at all times. Thus while the violence found in the Koran is in fact historical, its ultimate significance is theological. Consider the following Koranic verses:
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the pagans wherever you find them—take them [captive], besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due *, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger *, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth *, from the people of the book *, until they pay tribute with willing submission, and feel themselves utterly subdued (9:29).
and:
As for Christianity, much of the Old Testament law was abrogated by Jesus. “Eye for an eye” gave way to “turn the other cheek.” Totally loving God and one’s neighbor became supreme law (Matt 22:38-40). Furthermore, Jesus’ “Sunna”—as in “What would Jesus do?”—is characterized by passivity and altruism.
And it is from here that one can best appreciate the Crusades. However one interprets these wars—as offensive or defensive, just or unjust—it is plainly evident that they were not*** based on the teachings of the New Testament or the example of Jesus who exhorted his followers to “love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Matt 5:44). The Crusaders—not the jihadists—are the ones who have contradicted their religion.
In fact, far from suggesting anything intrinsic to Christianity, the Crusades ironically help better explain Islam. For what the Crusades demonstrated once and for all is that irrespective of religious teachings—indeed, in the case of these so-called “Christian” Crusades, despite them—man is truly predisposed to violence and intolerance. But this begs the question: If this is how Christians behaved—who are commanded to love, bless, and do good to their enemies who hate, curse, and persecute them—how much more can be expected of Muslims who, while sharing the same violent tendencies, are further commanded by the Deity to attack, kill, and plunder non-believers?
frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27234
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Booklover
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Khalfan, it would be easier for those who want to reply, if you did not list so many questions at one time.
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pro_universal
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Montalban,
Well, I’ll ask again:
What exactly did you study? What qualifies you to speak on what Islam teaches?
Well, I’ll ask again:
What exactly did you study? What qualifies you to speak on what Islam teaches?
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Booklover
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Let me ask you this! Are ex-Muslims qualified to speak on what Islam teaches?
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pro_universal
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I would say so. But as with ex Catholics, it would make sense to think about the motives and tendency to distort the facts.
The best source is an actual Muslim. We have those, but everyone wants to reject their explanations of Muslim teaching.
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Booklover
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Okay that’s your opinion! How can we believe what a Muslim says when it’s okay to lie to the unbelievers?
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pro_universal
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You won’t find a Muslim who says it’s okay to lie to unbelievers about what Islam teaches.
I haven’t met a single one. Of course, if you assume that they are all lying for Islam, then what’s the point in trying to learn about the religion at all?
If all Muslims could be lying, then all ex-Muslims and anti-Muslims could actually be Muslims in disguise, right?
You have to either accept that there is no million-man conspiracy to hide the teachings of Islam, or accept that you’re wasting your time saying anything at all about the religion.
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Booklover
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How do you know that they’re not lying to you as well?? The fact remains that Muhammad told his followers that it was okay to lie on certain occasions. Once a religion gives the green light to something like this, what’s going to keep its adherents from finding justification for doing it whenever it becomes expedient?
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pro_universal
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I trust that Muslims write accurate representations of their religion into materials designed to be read by other Muslims. Of course, that could all be a conspiracy too, I just don’t think it’s likely.
That’s true, and they are specific and limited. The Muslims on this board have been very clear about what the limits are.
This is a non-issue. Christianity gives the green light to kill in self defense; does that mean that its adherents will find justifications to kill whenever they want?
This is easy for you to verify yourself. Go look through some websites that Muslims use to answer questions from other Muslims (ie, not an apologetics site…go to a Muslim religious issues site) and read through.
If you think that’s all just created as part of a conspiracy to fool everyone, well…there’s not much I can say. I don’t think billion man conspiracies are even remotely plausible, not sure what you believe.
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