Can we really trust what the media say about the coronavirus?

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Ok, here are just a couple of examples.

He won the election by the largest electoral vote since Reagan. Complete lie

There were more people viewing the inauguration than ever. Complete lie.

He wants to protect preexisting conditions in health insurance. He is suing to overturn the ACA which would remove the protection of preexisting condition.

Just a few that everyone is aware of.
 
farronwolf said:
He wants to protect preexisting conditions in health insurance. He is suing to overturn the ACA which would remove the protection of preexisting condition.
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he wants to get rid of Obamacare altogether. That does not preclude an alternative providing for preexisting. You are attributing your own bias to him.

When it comes to Republican presidents, that is correct. But you don’t allow that to be the meaning because you want it to be a “lie”.

As to the inaugural crowd, nobody knows because the Park Service hasn’t counted since 1995. I realize there are photos, but that’s easy to “spin”. To have a “lie” there has to be an intentional representation. You don’t know whether Trump “lied” about anything or was simply mistaken or simply expressed an opinion different from your own.
 
Ridgerunner said:
When it comes to Republican presidents, that is correct. But you don’t allow that to be the meaning because you want it to be a “lie”.
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I guess if you don’t count George H W Bush as a republican. He had 426 electoral votes.

So I guess that isn’t correct, even if you want to say he was talking about republicans.

Wow, you just can’t make this stuff up and have it any more funny than real life kool aid drinking
 
Ridgerunner said:
When it comes to Republican presidents, that is correct. But you don’t allow that to be the meaning because you want it to be a “lie”.
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Trump did not limit himself to Republican Presidents.
If he has he would still be dead wrong.
1986 Bush 426 Dukakis 111.
Ridgerunner said:
To have a “lie” there has to be an intentional representation.
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It is also sufficient to say that something is true, when cannot know that it is true.
Ridgerunner said:
You don’t know whether Trump “lied” about anything or was simply mistaken
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One who is so often mistaken in what they say publicly, should make some effort to seek and learn the truth.
 
Just goes to show how easy it is to indoctrinate folks into believing what they want. Some will just not be bothered with seeking the truth on their own.

For someone who can’t trust the media for whatever reason, you certainly find it easy to trust the sources you rely on pretty easy without question.

So we went from

“I won by the largest electoral margin since Reagan”

to:

I was only talking about republicans.

to:

well, except for that other fellow who won by a huge, margin

to:

Just believe what I tell you and if it isn’t accurate, well those are my alternative facts, or I was just mistaken.

This has been a pretty good exercise in what trustworthy actually means though. I guess it is sliding scale depending on what folks want it to be.
 
I admitted I made a mistake in reading the list. And I did it readily. This post actually tells me (and hopefully others) all I need to know about the Democrat accusations of Trump “lying”. All one has to do is make a mistake or have a different opinion and you call it a lie.

Maybe personal viciousness will win the presidency for Biden, but I have my doubts.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
Blaming the poor AND blaming the immigrant (stranger). This is totally against the teaching of Jesus (and against Jewish law as well). Apart from this, it is simply incorrect.
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No disagreement there.

However, with the CURRENT immigration crisis the ‘poor’ who are migrating are often doing so as a result of massive social unrest, much of which is being orchestrated by leftist groups, NGOs and wealthy oligarchs to undermine the economies of sovereign nations. The ‘poor’ are pawn in the hands of globalists at the moment and being “shuffled around” in order that particular global economic outcomes become realized.

Globalists, in particular the super wealthy, want nothing more than to level the playing field completely in order to permit them open access to all markets, all labour pools and all resource supplies without having to work around constricting local or national government policies.

If the COVID-19 pandemic has taught us anything it is that when push comes to shove the “globalists” won’t be there to support individual nations or human beings at a local level; individual countries will have to look after their own. The EU abandoned Italy and Spain. WHO and the UN backed the CCP. Countries with any practical sense locked down medical supplies, resuscitated local manufacturing capacity and began to seriously rethink relying on China or India for 80-90% of their medical inventory.

Globalism is a false god; and the current promotion of socialism by the media as the “solution” to all problems is simply a mechanism for that false god to consolidate power.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
Maybe personal viciousness will win the presidency for Biden, but I have my doubts.
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And Trump hasn’t displayed any personal viciousness. I mean really. Anyone who questions or disagrees with him is soon to be the target of his attacks.

His little twitter rampages are just something normal folks shake their heads at. Kind of like the kid throwing a tantrum in the grocery store.

I am certain your take on the matter differs.
 
We’re not talking about Trump here. You’re deflecting. I made an error of fact. You saw it and called it. I admitted I was wrong immediately. But that wouldn’t do. You just couldn’t live without calling me indoctrinated, believing what I want to believe, easy to rely on sources I choose, purveyor of “alternative facts” and untrustworthy.

I should have flagged you, but I didn’t.
 
HarryStotle said:
Globalism is a false god; and the current promotion of socialism by the media as the “solution” to all problems is simply a mechanism for that false god to consolidate power.
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This, very much this. I hope that it wakes up people, however, I sincerely doubt the vast majority have a clue.
 
Flagged me for what?

The thread is about trusting the media regarding the corona virus.

I posted a link to a story in reply to Norton on specifics of lies told by Trump and the virus.
I also posted a link to a story about a pandemic expert and where we are in the current of 5 stages of the virus regarding whether or not it would vanish in April. It will not.

Then you brought in the media is all against trump, so he can be defeated in Nov.

You wanted specifics, I gave you a few examples. So are we ( you and me) talking about Trump or not? I would say, since you brought the media bias in against Trump you chose to talk about Trump.

Maybe my bad.

I watch all types of news sources, even Fox. However if one news outlet is saying one thing and a bunch of different news sources are saying something entirely different one must dig a little deeper. If several longstanding news sources are reporting the same thing, more than likely it is not just a hoax or conspiracy or whatever. My take on it.
 
I don’t believe that these sources are unbiased:
NY Times
NBC News
The Economist
BBC
and others listed.
They may have good articles but not all of their articles are unbiased.
 
You are free to believe what you like. Just like anyone else.

If you look at several independent sources and there is a pattern of who they say put out good journalism, it is kind of difficult to not consider it.
 
I wouldn’t say that globalism is the god people are looking to. That would be money that is their god.

Using global markets to maximize profits is simply a way to get closer to their god.

Manufacturing has made its hop across the globe. Always jumping to the lowest cost, least regulated area that can produce an acceptable product.

Of course we can’t blame it all on the manufacturers. The consumers certainly play a role in the equation. We all want more for cheaper as well.
 
Ridgerunner said:
We can’t trust the media because its main goal nowadays seems to be to defeat Trump in November.
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We can’t trust Trump because his main goal is to discredit all opposition, including the media.
Ridgerunner said:
Medical experts can get on and say the very same thing and they’re disbelieved also, not because they have been proved incompetent, but because they happen to agree with Trump in some way.
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Cite one instance where Dr. Fauci was disbelieved because he said the same thing as Trump.
Ridgerunner said:
And, of course, the medical people don’t really pay a lot of attention to the economic aspect of it all.
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Totally untrue.
 
HarryStotle said:
The ‘poor’ are pawn in the hands of globalists at the moment and being “shuffled around” in order that particular global economic outcomes become realized.
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The globalists (whoever they are) did not displace the refugees. And no matter who displaced them, it is not the fault of the refugees.
 
Who are the so-called globalists? Do we not all live in a global economy? Are we not all globalists to a certain degree?
 
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