Can we really trust what the media say about the coronavirus?

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Heck yes trust the media. Please trust the medicos and what they tell us. We cannot ever trust the impeached faux president that is for sure. The untruths he tells every single day is simply atrocious.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
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The ‘poor’ are pawn in the hands of globalists at the moment and being “shuffled around” in order that particular global economic outcomes become realized.
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The globalists (whoever they are) did not displace the refugees. And no matter who displaced them, it is not the fault of the refugees.
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Yeah they did and still do. The caravans from Latin America were organized and funded by leftist NGOs. The ships relaying “refugees” across the Mediterranean from Northern Africa were funded by a variety of leftist funded NGOs, including UN organizations. The supposed “refugee” camps in the Middle East prioritized young Islamic males over Christian families for settlement in various parts of North America. A large number of Somalian “refugees” were members of the ruling Somali Revolutionary Socialist Party that committed the genocide there — led by the President, Said Barre, who had advocated a form of “scientific socialism” or Soviet-style Communism.

Globalists are a loosely affiliated but wide-ranging individuals, groups and organizations that advocate for policies such as open borders, the undermining of nation states by promoting policies and practices that push national governments into unsustainable debt, promoting modern monetary theory, controlling media, consolidating wealth and power into the hands of fewer and fewer individuals to make the global economy “more efficient,” among other measures and strategies.
 
PoliticoIAm said:
Heck yes trust the media. Please trust the medicos and what they tell us. We cannot ever trust the impeached faux president that is for sure. The untruths he tells every single day is simply atrocious.
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Anyone who says “trust” this person or that group instead of verify based upon the available evidence is engaged in their own propaganda campaign.

Since you provide no evidence for any claim you make we can safely dismiss anything you say.

Anyone who uses extreme and absolute language — “The untruths he tells every single day is simply atrocious.” — providing no specifics is spouting bile and nothing more.
 
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The articles you cited named different ones, though. So which are we to believe?
farronwolf said:
Of course we can’t blame it all on the manufacturers. The consumers certainly play a role in the equation. We all want more for cheaper as well.
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Agreed. When Trump imposed tariffs on China, a number of people on here howled because it would “hurt the consumer”. Well, yes, if a consumer pays more, that can be regarded as “hurtful”. But there are times when it really ought to be anyway, and now is one of those times. I’m not saying this just because people used consumerism to blast Trump. I’m saying it because I think Trump hatred isn’t the only motivator to seeking products from the cheapest possible source, no matter what. I, for one, don’t think it is a net aid to the economy to have cheaper shoes from China if nobody can get a job making or designing shoes here. And it isn’t all just hand labor. I was aware of a now-defunct shoe company that had real artists on the designing and engineering staffs; people who made very good salaries.
 
farronwolf said:
I wouldn’t say that globalism is the god people are looking to. That would be money that is their god.

Using global markets to maximize profits is simply a way to get closer to their god.

Manufacturing has made its hop across the globe. Always jumping to the lowest cost, least regulated area that can produce an acceptable product.

Of course we can’t blame it all on the manufacturers. The consumers certainly play a role in the equation. We all want more for cheaper as well.
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There is not much in what you say that I would disagree with.

Globalism is the god that people are “looking to” if they look to it to take care of their every need — even if they explicitly deny that they do. Dependency is the critical trait and submission to directives is the telling sign.

It isn’t what people say that matters here it is what they do.
 
Hi farronwolf,
Would you share the names of those, whom you consider to be independent sources and thus able to determine who is or is not biased?
It seems to me that all of the sources listed have biases and/or are beholden to advertisers or interest groups.
I’m wondering who has the credibility to be a gatekeeper, determining which sources are unbiased and how one knows that the gatekeeper lacks bias.
Thanks, and may God bless you.
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I have posted previously some lists by others.

I have stated that IMO if multiple reliable news sources are reporting the same thing vs single source reporting differently the multiple sources are probably more accurate. Agencies that are quick to correct any errors in reporting are more credible than sources who fail to do so.

The fact that in order to pay bills they all most have advertisers or sponsors. The fact that advertisers are drawn to a particular news agency based on the viewership is just business and doesn’t necessarily mean the news source isnt good.

Would journalism schools be a good judge of news accuracy.
 
I think most of the flack that trump got for the tariffs was in his claim that china was paying the tariffs. That isnt the way it works and he should have known better.

Should we have to use tariffs. Possibly. They should be used to encourage us manufacturing and production. Problem with willy nilly throwing them around is that production in this country cant just ramp up overnight. It takes planning and time.
 
farronwolf said:
I think most of the flack that trump got for the tariffs was in his claim that china was paying the tariffs. That isnt the way it works and he should have known better.
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Here is a Bloomberg article citing an EconoPol Europe paper that claims China “will pay” 20.5% of the 25% tariff toll while the US companies and consumers “will only pay” 4.5% .
President Donald Trump is succeeding in making China pay most of the cost of his trade war.

That’s the conclusion of a new paper from EconPol Europe, a network of researchers in the European Union. U.S. companies and consumers will only pay 4.5 percent more after the nation imposed 25 percent tariffs on $250 billion of Chinese goods, and the other 20.5 percent toll will fall on Chinese producers, according to authors Benedikt Zoller-Rydzek and Gabriel Felbermayr.
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The article from Bloomberg…

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...g-for-most-of-trump-s-trade-war-research-says

The EconoPol Europe — a network of European Union (and not very friendly to Trump) economists — analysis…


I hate to suggest that those who insist that Trump “should have known better” don’t understand what Trump should have and probably did know.

The problem is relying on the media to properly assess Trump’s performance — you won’t get a proper perspective nor sufficient information.

The questions asked by “journalists” at the WhiteHouse corona virus briefings provide a sampler to anyone willing to be a truly neutral observer. Even Dr. Fauci took them to task today.
 
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farronwolf said:
Should we have to use tariffs. Possibly. They should be used to encourage us manufacturing and production. Problem with willy nilly throwing them around is that production in this country cant just ramp up overnight. It takes planning and time.
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There was nothing ‘willy nilly’, they were very targeted and used as a negotiating stick. His strategy helped us renegotiate NAFTA to more favorable terms, and we were making progress with China, before the corona crisis. Either China was going to bend on IP protection and their import restrictions or the increasing tariffs would incent producers to move production out of China. And producers were moving production out of China, even if only temporarily.

I suspect it’s a new ballgame now though, with many choosing other SE Asian spots due to pending fallout from the virus scandal.
 
PoliticoIAm said:
Only trust what the medcal experts say. Do not trust what Trump says because they are all lies.
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Perhaps someone has already said this–if so, sorry for the repeat.

Don’t trust what ANY politicians, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independent, Communist, etc. say! They are NOT scientists (with a few exceptions), and they simply don’t understand the science and medicine, so they get it all garbled up. ALL of them, not just Pres. Trump.

It would be interesting to see a list of stupid things that politicians across the country have said about COVID-19 over the last few months!

OTOH, all the various scientists and doctors will contradict each other, depending on what field they have expertise in, and depending on where we are in the study of this virus. What was being said at the very beginning of the COVID-19 crisis differs from what we are being told now by the scientific community.

We HAVE to obey any laws or ordinances, so we HAVE to listen to the politicians when they talk about these things–that’s THEIR field of expertise and authority. But when it comes to the diagnosis, treatment, and containment of the virus–I say listen to the docs with just a little skepticism–after all, many of the doctors do not have any real expertise with virology and infection control.

One group that we need to really listen to with a grin and grain of salt is the entertainment professionals! My daughter (the entertainment professional) has virtually no knowledge of science; she took 1 science class required" in her undergraduate years, and it turned out to be the same textbook and syllabus as her high school science class, so she never went to class, showed up only for the tests, and received a solid “B” in the course after doing nothing except taking the same tests she had taken in high school.

There are entertainment professionals who have a more well-rounded science education, but most of them know little-nothing about science. Listen to their good music, watch their amazing dancing, enjoy their breath-taking acting, laugh at their jokes, sigh over their good looks and beautiful fashions and their WEALTH–but don’t believe anything they say about the COVID-19!

Same for athletes–many of them have more science education than the average person, but many don’t. Listen to their comments on nutrition and fitness, and get inspired to not gain the “Covid-19” (pounds). But don’t believe anything they say about the pathology of the virus.
 
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I recall people saying China doesn’t pay the tariffs, the consumer does. But actually, it is entirely possible for the foreign manufacturer to “pay” them by receiving less for the product and the consumer paying the same. Alternatively, the importer could absorb it, perhaps in combination with the manufacturer. But despite the argument, I saw no dramatic price increase of Chinese products. I could research that, but havent.

I’m not sure what “willy nilly” throwing them around is, but if, say, a pharmaceutical company has a shut in factory in, say, Columbus Ohio and an operating plant in Shanghai, it seems to me it would not be terribly difficult to restart the Ohio plant. I do realize the supply chain of ingredients might slow down the process.

I do think it is imperative that we remove as much production as possible out of China.
 
When China adjusts its currency to lower the price of goods to absorb some of the effects on the US companies is that really paying the tariff?

I thought we didn’t like it when the Chinese deflated their currency? If the result of tariffs causes more of this have we really accomplished much?


I didn’t watch the briefing yesterday, but there certainly is news about Trump’s stance on the role of the President and his authority being “total”

 
In Ukraine, after in the monasteries of Moscow Patriarchate there were cases of death among monks and tenths of monks were infected, the ecclesial authorities started to make some measures of protection.
But the question is, will they say at least - sorry?

While Ukrainian Protestants and Orthodox, Greek- Catholics at the very beginning decided to follow the rules and laws of protection, like all civilized, responsible, Christian World, unfortunately some groups reacted opposite, and now we see the consequences.
And the problem is that it’s not about those monks, it’s about safety of lay people and the children.
No body denies that monks way of life is faith dedicated narrow road, but here it’s definitely nothing to do with Cesar who takes what belongs to God’s, no its about wisdom, its about “not tempting the God”, its about responsible love towards your neighbour.
 
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Does that apply with regards to all groups and persons, including Trump, Biden, Clinton etc?
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Trust me, it does. 😏
 
No, you can’t. You can’t trust the mainstream national media period. There is no more deceitful enterprise than the mainstream national media. It is a satanic institution, in my opinion. By definition of “Satan”, “the deceiver”.
And thanks be to God, the American people have begun to see this.
 
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