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CWBetts
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Don’t talk to me like I’m a child. I was around in the seventies. AKA the worst deacase of the 20th century.
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athansor
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I have three problems with competitive eating, although I love lots of other sports.
One is the waste. There are way to many hungry people to glorify this kind of waste of food. It’s true that there are lots of things that waste food (I think about how much is thrown out at restaurants every day), but this somehow elevates it. An argument could be made that most sports and entertainment are somehow wasteful, for example, since oil is scarce, driving cars around in circles might seem kind of wasteful, but this just feels more direct to me. Sometimes, when I think about a contest like this, I wonder if there are kids in the audience who haven’t had a good meal and would like just one of the hot dogs that these people shove down.
The second is the animal suffering that goes into producing a hot dog. While I understand that most people don’t think it’s immoral to eat meat, I do think that if people knew what happened at modern slaughterhouses and factory farms, they would have a problem with that part of it. Some justify the suffering saying that the animal suffers and dies to nourish a person, so that makes it worthwhile. But turning this suffering into entertainment is no different in my opinion than other forms of animal suffering for entertainment, like dogfighting.
Finally, people have so much trouble with eating healthy, that celebrating people who eat excessive amounts by giving them accolades and awards seems improper. It reminds me of a contest where people tried to see who could have the most sex partners in one day.
One is the waste. There are way to many hungry people to glorify this kind of waste of food. It’s true that there are lots of things that waste food (I think about how much is thrown out at restaurants every day), but this somehow elevates it. An argument could be made that most sports and entertainment are somehow wasteful, for example, since oil is scarce, driving cars around in circles might seem kind of wasteful, but this just feels more direct to me. Sometimes, when I think about a contest like this, I wonder if there are kids in the audience who haven’t had a good meal and would like just one of the hot dogs that these people shove down.
The second is the animal suffering that goes into producing a hot dog. While I understand that most people don’t think it’s immoral to eat meat, I do think that if people knew what happened at modern slaughterhouses and factory farms, they would have a problem with that part of it. Some justify the suffering saying that the animal suffers and dies to nourish a person, so that makes it worthwhile. But turning this suffering into entertainment is no different in my opinion than other forms of animal suffering for entertainment, like dogfighting.
Finally, people have so much trouble with eating healthy, that celebrating people who eat excessive amounts by giving them accolades and awards seems improper. It reminds me of a contest where people tried to see who could have the most sex partners in one day.
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aspawloski4th
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After the 1950’s were over it go worse as time went on in the 20th century. The 1990’s lots of things got to the sad state of today. One example is priest doing rubrics during Mass. The 1970s was a far better decade for celebrating mass the correct way tahn the 1990’s by gargantuan leaps and bounds so much it isn’t even debatable. Now it’s willy nilly do whatever you want for Mass. Every priest does his own thing. Sorry about infering you weren’t around in the 1970’s , You used book knowledge rather than everyday people knowledge to describe the 1970’s. Yes the 1970’s was transitional, but by the 1990’s the transition was done and we hit the rock bottem the bad guys wanted.
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CWBetts
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You have derailed the thread. We are supposed to be talking about how everything, like competitive eating, gets justified by moral relativists.
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aspawloski4th
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Don’t go to Oktoberfest in Bavaria Geramny then. You’d be agast. By the way Bavaria is where our Pope is from, Oktoberfest has been going on over 2000 years and hasn’t change very much in that time, and our church has never condemned Oktoberfest. As far as your opinion on meat. Taking meat out of my diet would leave very little left. It tastes good, the protein in it keeps hunger from coming for a longer time than any other food type, and prents hypoglycemia attacks in people like my mother better than anything else out there. Please don’t bring the vegan arguement to this thread!
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aspawloski4th
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And I am making a comparison. Sorry the last I checked, compare and contrast is still considered a legitimate way to debate an issue, and that happens to be a style I am very adept at. I tend to have to use that alot with the selfritious. Sweep your own porch before telling someelse to clean thiers.
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CWBetts
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Actually you have proven yourself to be inept. Comparison is used to reinforce a point, not to change the subject because you have come to the realization that your arguments are vacuous.
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aspawloski4th
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Actually I have something that proved to myself that I’m in the right. My Catholic school, releigous wife rolling on the floor laughing at your comments and saying you obviously have far too much time on your hands. Changing the subject and making a comparison are 2 different things. You ecnoring points of mine show that you don’t quite know how to handle me. Some Catholics do things in life other than what goes on at the local church, not all of us live the religous life, because not all of us are called to it. And yes most people need a little fun now and then, that is how the human being is wired by God’s design. Your view of things seems to have a Jansenist skew to them. You even sound a bit like the pharissees to me. I am done with you. Go to your Jansenist cloyster and leave the rest of us alone.
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CWBetts
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We are all called to holiness. There is nothing holy about competitive eating, whether it be done for pride, greed, or gluttony. There is no excuse for one who claims to be Catholic to not strive to be canonizable. As far as too much time, not exactly. I am too busy studying for my exams. I never said you can’t have fun. But there are ways to have fun that are honorable to God. Competitive eating is not one of these ways.
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aspawloski4th
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Lierally , yes you didn’t say that no one can have fun, figurtively yes you did say we shouldnt be doing fun things. Whether intended or not you are always saying something beween the lines.
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CWBetts
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By your rationalization, if you think going to a strip club is fun, then you should do it. Fun supersedes the morality of the act. If you want me to make a list of options other than obviously wrong acts like eating contests, I will.
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philialeaf
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Now now, fight nice, kids! 
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philialeaf
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aspawloski4th, what good points have you made that weren’t addressed? A lot has been said; maybe there was something legitimate there that fell by the wayside. I’m happy for you that you have a wife who supports you. (Hi to the wife!) But you have been on this thread a lot for someone who thinks it’s a waste of time and intellectual energy.
CWBetts and what looks like just about everyone else, does anybody have any other argument to justify the behavior that the original thread brought up (big eating competitions)? I’ve heard enough of being called a Jansenist vs. moral relativist; is there anything else?
(That seems to be a whole other debate: I say you’re a Jansenist and you say I’m a moral relativist. “Jansenist!” “Relativist!” “You’re selfish!” “You’re no fun!” “MOMMM!!!”)
CWBetts and what looks like just about everyone else, does anybody have any other argument to justify the behavior that the original thread brought up (big eating competitions)? I’ve heard enough of being called a Jansenist vs. moral relativist; is there anything else?
(That seems to be a whole other debate: I say you’re a Jansenist and you say I’m a moral relativist. “Jansenist!” “Relativist!” “You’re selfish!” “You’re no fun!” “MOMMM!!!”)
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philialeaf
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nice
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philialeaf
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Maybe I missed it, but I don’t recall anyone defending eating contests because of the good they can do. They can be happy fun occasions that bring people together. I’m sure sometimes they make money that goes to charity, though I haven’t bothered to research it! They create jobs…
These are intentionally lame, of course! If you have been reading you know I don’t condone this!
Where in the Bible does it talk about God resurrecting the good out of everything? That would be my response if someone actually tried to argue these points seriously.
These are intentionally lame, of course! If you have been reading you know I don’t condone this!
Where in the Bible does it talk about God resurrecting the good out of everything? That would be my response if someone actually tried to argue these points seriously.
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aspawloski4th
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The reason I’m on this thread soo much. I’ll admit I might of been on it more than I should. Goes back to when I mentioned 40, 50 years ago this would have been laughed out of town. The thing that drives me up a wall if that what we are mostly apeaking of here is some thing that has been apart of American culture since nearly the beginning, and Western culture since the days our ancestors wore bones in their beards. It’s suddenly after millenia of beig considered for the most part to be benign are calling it evil, and some expect me to throwout all conventual wisdom on the drop of a dime and accept this new nutty as a fruitcake idea. While real immorality like abortion gets not even lipservice by these people. It is a look at me I am being good show. Someone saidd we should all aspire to sainthood. Well ’ Ive got news, most of us are not making ainthood, and biggeryet, there is more than way road to saint hood. I don’t care if I get declared a saint or not, Heaven is the goal, not sainthood. CW reminds me also of a certain saint who’s sainthood should be and maybe someday recinded. St Cyril of Alexandria. He and a bunch of thugs burned down the Alexandrian library, and murdred it’s librarian Hipatia. Why, because he had a we are going to show them hethens attitide. He got his sainthood, by I’d be shocked if I were to see that killer in Heaven. For those worried about other opinion abnout us, that event St Cyril prepetuated still has some hating Christianity, and that happend of a millenium and a half ago. Living a life of doing good is what gets one to hHeaven, not being a goody 2 shoes.aspawloski4th, what good points have you made that weren’t addressed? A lot has been said; maybe there was something legitimate there that fell by the wayside. I’m happy for you that you have a wife who supports you. (Hi to the wife!) But you have been on this thread a lot for someone who thinks it’s a waste of time and intellectual energy.
CWBetts and what looks like just about everyone else, does anybody have any other argument to justify the behavior that the original thread brought up (big eating competitions)? I’ve heard enough of being called a Jansenist vs. moral relativist; is there anything else?
(That seems to be a whole other debate: I say you’re a Jansenist and you say I’m a moral relativist. “Jansenist!” “Relativist!” “You’re selfish!” “You’re no fun!” “MOMMM!!!”)
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aspawloski4th
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Now you are getting the picture! Good brain and mind use, keep it up.
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philialeaf
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Oh, you actually think those are good arguments?? Sorry but the end doesn’t justify the means.Now you are getting the picture! Good brain and mind use, keep it up.
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aspawloski4th
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But it’s pragmatic. In some places that maybe be your best choice. Like an old German decent farming community at the local 4h fair.
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philialeaf
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The reason I’m on this thread soo much. I’ll admit I might of been on it more than I should.
Me, too! The first step is admitting there’s a problem…
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