CARAVAN heading to The U.S.A ( POLL )

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AlNg said:
These people are desperate and need help. They can’t make it in their country. Was the US at least partly responsible for their misery? It does seem like the US intervention in Central America was hurtful to many poor people.
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Your question is like asking if the dropping of an atomic bomb (only one country on earth holds that title) can cause generations thereafter harm. Of course we are responsible in many ways. We talk about “wealth” yet have plundered poorer nations for their natural resources and called them our own. We talk about our “innovation” but barely anything is made in the U.S.A. We are far from #1 in literacy (#17) or standards of health care (last among 11 industrialized countries) and slapped tariffs on some of our biggest traders all the while alienating our North American brothers, Canada and Mexico.
Surely only goodness and mercy shall find us all the days of our lives. (peace) and yes, I did use your post to vent a bit. Thank you. And a big yes to your question.
 
I agree with much of what you say, however, I will continue to insist that all immigrants and refugees should have a sponsor to help them do all the things you mention in your excellent list.

I’m not a fanatic about immigrants giving up their native language, but I do think that immigrants need to learn enough English to function and work in our country.

I think that immigrants need help navigating our “system” so that they can find housing, shop for food, sign up for the benefits that they are entitled to (at this point, anyway), get their children or themselves in a school, find a church (I think that the best sponsors are churches, BTW!), learn how to drive in our country, and find JOBS!

The immigrants need constant support and lots of love and hospitality by many people (that’s why I think churches are the best sponsors!). Along with churches, I think that relatives already in the country are often good sponsors, as long as they have achieved some level of success (financially, socially, etc.).

One of my biggest problems with so many of the “left” or “liberals” is that they don’t seem to recognize this. EVERY immigrant that I know who has been sponsored has been sponsored by a “conservative” Christian. I don’t know of any “liberals” who put their money/home/time where their mouth is. I’m sure they’re out there. But I think it’s really important that everyone who wants immigrants to come to this country (that would be me!) to realize that we need to make sure that they succeed in their new home! We can’t just drop them off in the “immigrant section of town” and walk away. That’s so cruel.
 
About 24 hours road time. When was it they figured out what they were doing?
 
Peeps said:
to realize that we need to make sure that they succeed in their new home!
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I think its unrealistic to think that every immigrant will succeed.

But i don’t think these folks in the caravan are “immigrants” at all, but instead refugees/asylum applicants- here, theoretically just as long as conditions are impossible in their homeland. I have several Iranian friends who have been in America for 35 years leaving Iran during the 1979 revolution over there. Their intent was always to go back, although that’s sort of iffy as they are senior citizens but have been working all that time.

These caravan people will apply for asylum if they are like previous groups.
 
My vote is for a 4th option. Have each asylum case individually reviewed on their own merits, by the proper authorities. And then offer asylum to those who qualify under our laws.
 
Allie1 said:
And then offer asylum to those who qualify under our laws.
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But none of them qualify for asylum under our laws.

Because they have to apply for asylum at the first border they cross.

Or was that your point? 🙂
 
Of course it’s unrealistic to think that every immigrant will succeed. It’s unrealistic to think that every person will succeed. And of course, the definition of “success” is different for everyone.

As Christians, we should value every human being and be willing to step in to help all fellow human beings in our circle to try to live a good and satisfying life and to love and serve God.
We want to all be together in heaven and not leave anyone behind.

I hope with my my heart that if the “caravan” does enter the U.S., they will find people to help them. The idea of several thousand people wandering around like lost children is so sad and frightening to me.
 
midori said:
Because they have to apply for asylum at the first border they cross.
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This isnt true. They have to apply at our port of entry.

I literally mean to have each asylum case individually reviewed by the United Sates authorities at the United States port of entry, On the US border. Which is the place where they are to apply. Then offer asylum to those who qualify under our laws.
 
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Peeps said:
I hope with my my heart that if the “caravan” does enter the U.S., they will find people to help them. The idea of several thousand people wandering around like lost children is so sad and frightening to me.
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Anyone who does get legally admitted as a refugee/asylum gets referred to a social service agency, usually related to a religious community. When I personally worked with refugees from the USSR (its been a while), the Jewish Family and Children Services got them housing, signed them up for English classes, etc. Although most of those folks could read English, they didn’t know the verbal language. Those who were involved in the natural sciences had an easier time that those who were medical and dental professionals as their Soviet credentials weren’t that acceptable.
 
It would be lovely if you could exercise the same degree of skepticism toward your own government that you do toward news stories that challenge your biases.
 
blackforest said:
Some people LEGALLY seeking asylum are on their way to the U.S.
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Past history indicates that 94% of those that are on their way to the US don’t qualify for asylum based upon the current law.

The real problem is that each case has to be adjudicated and if the people are on US territory they have to be detained until the matter is rectified.

Releasing them into the US doesn’t work, as the vast majority don’t show for their hearings.

The key I think is to simplify the adjudication process and let the asylum claimants make their applications online before arriving in America. If they are approved they walk right through. If not, they stay out.
 
Whether or not one qualifies for asylum is the arbitrary discretion of the Powers the Be. But simply requesting asylum, as they are indeed doing, is not a crime.
 
They need to all be vetted strenuously before being allowed to enter. I don’t know any of them personally, but this entire thing just feels dangerous to me. So not at first, but after being vetted, why not?
 
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