CARAVAN heading to The U.S.A ( POLL )

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Seagull said:
Help the American homeless too though -
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Yes. But in the example you gave, is this person particular about the job that he is applying for. For example, it seems like there would be teaching jobs available in biology?
I am in favor of developing programs to help the homeless, but they have to be willing to work with those who can find them some job, although maybe not in their field of choice. Under communism, in eastern Europe, when you graduated, the government gave you at least one job which you could take. Of course, you could always look on your own also. the job they gave you was not always what you wanted, but it was a job.
 
There are people who DEMAND that the United States take in all illegal immigrants without even knowing who these people are. Do any of these people leave their OWN doors open because they don’t care who enters their homes?
 
blackforest said:
Whether or not one qualifies for asylum is the arbitrary discretion of the Powers the Be.
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That’s not really true. There are laws and requirement that one has to meet- if you meet them you are legally entitled to the status.

But if people think its a roll of the dice, the rules need clarified so that everyone sees them as fair.
 
Augustinian said:
That’s not really true. There are laws and requirement that one has to meet- if you meet them you are legally entitled to the status.
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It’s very much true. Where do you think those “laws and requirements” came from? Laws can be as easy to make as rapid judicial decisions, silent and sneaky administrative rule changes, or an old White House favorite: Executive orders.

My point is - and I’ve repeated this in countless immigration threads to the point of exhaustion - there is nothing illegal about applying for asylum.
1959 said:
It doesn’t matter. They’re doing it ILLEGALLY.
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There is nothing illegal about applying for asylum.
guffer said:
Are they armed?
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The point that you’re making should have been addressed and not unceremoniously flagged.

You are correct. It is absurd to refer to unarmed men, women, and children seeking asylum as “invaders.” I’m sure if people lock their doors, they’ll be OK . . . .
 
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blackforest, I think what concerns many of us is the TIMING of the “caravan.”

It’s right before the midterm elections.

Pres. Trump’s opponents have tried several approaches to get him impeached, and they have failed. The confirmation hearings of Judge Kavanaugh were the last attempt–I’m a woman, and I found the whole thing with Dr. Ford unbelievable. Many others felt the same way, and thankfully, Sen. Collins did the research and came to wise conclusion that cleared away the mess and allowed the confirmation to go through.

Many of us are concerned that this “caravan” is another ploy by Pres. Trump’s enemies to get him OUT of office. I hope and pray constantly that their tactics will fail based on the economy. I live in a city that has suffered immensely from a poor economy under the previous two Presidents. We have had unemployment as high as 25%, although in recent years, it’s been in the teens.

But in the last year, factories have started re-opening again, businesses are starting up (including businesses by women and minorities), our downtown is opening more restaurants and shops and not looking like a gang hangout, and we are building hotels and hospitals in the city.

It has been decades since I’ve seen “Now Hiring” signs and billboards for the factories in our city, and now I’m seeing them.

blackforest, I do not want to see this economic boom end because of a power play by people who don’t want to lose their control of the people.

I also have seen over and over the bias of the media against Pres. Trump. Watching the expressions and the hearing the tone of voices when the journalists report about his work is telling–it’s obvious that their faces become glum and their voices sound weary whenever they report on the President, whereas when they report on his opponents, their faces become animated and their voices are cheerful. I watch the news three times a day, and it’s obvious. It’s not just my imagation. Our LOCAL reporters don’t do this!

And the phrasing of many of the news stories; "e.g., "Pres. Trump is considering…Pres. Trump has been accused of…Pres. Trump is allegedly planning…Pres. Trump tweeted a deprecating comment about…(but they don’t mention all the glowing comments he tweeted about…)…:

Even a high school journalism student should recognize the language of propaganda.

So that’s the deal, blackforest-- we’re concerned that this whole thing has been arranged by opponents of Pres. Trump. It’s not just a spontaneous movement of desperate people—several thousand of them–who somehow all decided at the same (right before the midterm elections) to come to the U.S. and bang on our doors.

I personally believe that many of the people in the caravan are needy and desperate, but I think that they were recruited to march by people who want Pres. Trump impeached. Perhaps I and the others will be proved wrong, but so far, Pres. Trump and those in government who support him have managed to foil all the attempts to destroy him. I think that this attempt will fail, too.

I do hope that those in the caravan who truly need help will receive it from the U.S. and other concerned countries.
 
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Seagull said:
The caravan has swelled now to 14,000 - 17,000 people now.
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It could easily expand to 10,000 times that number, global polls indicate that 170,000,000 people around the world want to come to America.

The problem of the Caravan extends far beyond what’s happening in Mexico right now. Expect more of this caravan thing in the near future.

What’s next a flotilla of refugees from Cuba or Haiti? A large number of jetliners bringing in full loads of Chinese or Bangladeshi refugees into Kennedy airport?

The relative small numbers is still reason for concern.
 
Peeps said:
who somehow all decided at the same (right before the midterm elections) to come to the U.S. and bang on our doors
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One party has controlled all branches of the government for the past two years. They are responsible for what’s happening I would think.
 
Thrstypirate said:
What a twist. I thought you were a female feline this whole time!
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It’s weird how often cat-loving guys get mistaken for females.
Peeps said:
blackforest, I think what concerns many of us is the TIMING of the “caravan.”

It’s right before the midterm elections.
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It’s either A) politically savvy working-class Hondurans who carefully monitor U.S. politics and chose the perfect date B) an elaborate conspiracy with the Democratic party or C) a weird coincidence.

I find it troubling that no one seems to be entertaining that third option.

But just for fun, let’s suppose it’s Option B. What exactly would be wrong with seeing how Trump reacts to such an event? (Hint: We’ve already seen it before). If he acts so above-board in his policies toward asylees, what’s the big deal in seeing him handle it now? Either way, voters will make an informed decision.

For the time, however, I see no evidence of recruitment, and it’s slanderous to suggest otherwise.
Peeps said:
Even a high school journalism student should recognize the language of propaganda.
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Believe it or not, I think that most news media stinks. Facts are there, but we need to act as critical consumers of information.
 
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blackforest said:
C) a weird coincidence.

I find it troubling that no one seems to be entertaining that third option.
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The electorate just doesn’t believe in weird coincidences.any more.

They remember the Access Hollywood tapes, unveiled as an October surprise by NBC and the Bush Family in 2016, and didn’t believe that it was just discovered in October 2016 with.
 
ProVobis said:
One party has controlled all branches of the government for the past two years. They are responsible for what’s happening I would think.
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So, you’re saying the guy who ran on stricter border control has secretly issued invitations to people from another language, culture, and country, to hike almost 3,000 miles and come on by? So that he could put himself in an unfavorable light by then turning out the military to defend our borders against people who he’d invited to ignore them?

Was the motivation to say, “See how wrong y’all were to vote for me on border control? You like strong borders when it’s an abstract idea, but you see how you feel when there’s specific individuals in play. I’m sorry it took this, but I wanted to show you the light.” Or was the motivation to say, “See how strong I am on delivering what I promised to deliver, no matter how ugly the situation looks on the 6:00 news!”
 
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blackforest said:
It would be lovely if you could exercise the same degree of skepticism toward your own government that you do toward news stories that challenge your biases.
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Oh, believe me, I do exercise a great deal of skepticism towards my own governments – both the provincial and the federal. 😏
 
If hypothetically, President Trump decided to abdicate this afternoon in favor of Hillary Clinton, this entire caravan event would be forgotten about in 5 minutes. The asylum seekers would just disperse as the funding and interest for the caravan would immediately dissipate.

The idea of the Caravan is to make Donald J. Trump look impotent and powerless to deal with the crisis, if he’s no longer serving as our President the motive goes away.

There would be no profit in challenging Mrs. Clinton or another liberal leader, and certainly no benefit in highlighting the problem of Illegal Aliens and border control if she were President.
 
blackforest said:
I’m not sure what the hub-bub is with this thread. Some people LEGALLY seeking asylum are on their way to the U.S. The dependably Nativist Trump administration doesn’t want them.Church leaders have clearly spelled out the Catholic response. That’s all she wrote.
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Perhaps Church leaders should, as a matter of priorities, first clearly spell out what the Catholic response ought to be to the abuse crisis in the Church, considering it has been a number of those same Catholic leaders who have permitted and abetted the problem, making it a major one for the entire Church.

The Catholic leaders do, in fact, know better than dictating public policy to the duly elected officials who have, according to the CCC itself, the mandate and responsibility for insuring public safety.

You aren’t claiming that Catholic leaders now have the political authority to determine public policy in the US, are you?

That said, I am reasonably well acquainted with the Church’s stance on the issue, and the fact that the “Catholic response” you cited was from 2011, means that it only has an interpretive bearing on the issue of the caravan. There is nothing in that document that makes it “all she wrote,” unless you are taking the position that Catholic leaders have the authority to dictate American policy on immigration and national security.

That would be an odd position to take, given that the Church itself, and Jesus, have never presumed to do such a thing.
 
I truly feel bad for the security team members of ICE.
They risk THEIR LIVES - kicking illegal people out of America.

I also feel bad for American soldiers - who fought so hard - to keep America free.
Land of the Free - free housing, free education, free food stamps - for illegals.

They say all of Southern California is now run by violent Mexican gangs ( drugs / etc )
Jesus said turn the other cheek - but not a blind eye.
 
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