Cardinal Cupich invites Fr. Martin to speak in Chicago

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Chicago cardinal extends invite to Fr. Martin amid cancellations

After a series of cancellations amid backlash to his book on LGBT Catholics, Fr. James Martin will speak for two nights during Lent at Chicago's Holy Name Cathedral.
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Please join @JamesMartinSJ for Lenten reflections at @HolyNameChicago on March 22 & 23, at 7 p.m.
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Bravo for Cardinal Cupich. He is taking a stand here on behalf of Fr Martin, SJ after all that hysteria at Catholic University.
 
From the NCR article:

“Earlier in the week, Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput and San Diego Bishop Robert McElroy both penned essays lending backing to Martin’s credibility as an effective evangelizer for the church, and condemning the campaigns aimed at trashing the Jesuit’s reputation.”

The linked article by Archbishop Charles Chaput is also well worth reading. He deplores personal attacks. But he doesn’t give Father Martin a pass on his ideas in their totality. Here is an excerpt from his article in First Things.

“Some might suggest that disputes over Building a Bridge, given its call for closer dialogue with the LGBT community, are really about whether we’re willing to eliminate judgmentalism from Church life. But that’s simply wrong. Clear judgment, tempered by mercy but faithful to Scripture and constant Church teaching, is an obligation of Catholic discipleship—especially on moral issues, and especially in Catholic scholarship. The perceived ambiguities in some of Fr. Martin’s views on sexuality have created much of the apprehension and criticism surrounding his book. There’s nothing vindictive in respectfully but firmly challenging those inadequacies. Doing less would violate both justice and charity.”
 
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This is to be expected from Cardinal Cupich. His views are very similar to Fr. Martin in that he may or may not be completely orthodox when it comes to matters such as gay marriage and divorce/remarriage.
 
JimG said:
There’s nothing vindictive in respectfully but firmly challenging those inadequacies. Doing less would violate both justice and charity.”
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Waiting for someone, anyone in a position of authority to drop the double talkin jive and firmly and clearly challenge the inadequacies. And waiting. And waiting. Any moment now, right?
 
No surprise here that one who does not unequivocally uphold Catholic teaching invites another who does not unequivocally uphold Catholic teaching.
 
What I would like to see is a panel discussion about Father Martin’s book and the issues it raises. On the panel I would like to see Father Martin, Bishop McElroy, Cardinal Sarah, Bishop Paprocki, Archbishop Chaput, and Daniel Mattson.

But I can’t take full credit for the idea of such a dialogue. It was raised by Deacon Jim Russell in this article.
 
JimG said:
What I would like to see is a panel discussion about Father Martin’s book and the issues it raises. On the panel I would like to see Father Martin, Bishop McElroy, Cardinal Sarah, Bishop Paprocki, Archbishop Chaput, and Daniel Mattson.

But I can’t take full credit for the idea of such a dialogue. It was raised by Deacon Jim Russell in this article.
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That would be amazing.
 
irenaeus1 said:
No surprise here that one who does not unequivocally uphold Catholic teaching invites another who does not unequivocally uphold Catholic teaching.
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If that’s meant to be an accusation against Cardinal Cupich - and what else could it be - I think documentation of his alleged doctrinal infidelity (or a retraction) would be in order.
 
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Bishops…including in Rome…are not simply responsible for what they preach. They are responsible for what they don’t preach.

Cardinal Cupich is on record as having said that “conscience” determines whether or not someone in a homosexual union may receive Communion. That is a very misleading and highly inappropriate message. He has conveyed the impression to the world that he is fine with members of gay unions receiving Communion. Like Pope Bergoglio, he favors ambiguous wordings that leave no doubt as to intention.
 
I just ordered Fr Martin’s book, “Bridging the Gape.”

Discerning the truth means listening to what the other person says and trying to understand them, rather than what some ideologue tells you they said,

Jim
 
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JimR-OCDS said:
I just ordered Fr Martin’s book, “Bridging the Gape.”

Discerning the truth means listening to what the other person says and trying to understand them, rather than what some ideologue tells you they said,

Jim
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I did that earlier this week as well. The book is shockingly intellectually dishonest. It’s hard to stomach.
 
tseleehw said:
This is to be expected from Cardinal Cupich. His views are very similar to Fr. Martin in that he may or may not be completely orthodox when it comes to matters such as gay marriage and divorce/remarriage.
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Archbishop Cupich says that he would not deny Communion to politicians who promote abortion, nor would he deny Communion to sexually-active unmarried or gay couples, if they reached their decision “in good conscience”. Whaaaaat??? And you wonder why the Church is struggling? Under this kind of leadership, I certainly no longer am! I’ve also read where he discourages his priests from taking part in pro-life vigils. Again…whaaaaat???
 
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Cardinal Dolan, when he was president of the USCCB, said the same with regards to giving Holy Communion to politicians who are pro-choice.

His position is that the sacrament was never meant to be used as a whipping tool to make people get in line.

Jim
 
Let you know what I think when I read it.

I listened to Fr Martin’s video on what he says in the book and addresses the criticism.

One thing, he supports and uphold’s Catholic Teaching on marriage and sexuality.

His goal, as Jesus and Pope Francis, is to call sinners to repentance and into the fold.

Jim
 
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It’s a surprise that someone who makes a point of saying how he’s no moral theologian decided to write about this topic. And it’s not really a book in the usual sense; it’s a slightly expanded version of a talk, and quite brief. It has very little of substance…and quite a lot left out, which was deliberate. It’s what the book doesn’t say that is more important in some sense than what it says.
 
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