Cardinal Dolan finds common ground with Obama on guns

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shipwrkd said:
One was as the shopping mall and only two lives were lost.

If the building were properly secured you would have all the time in the world to focus on a shooter.
BTW, my previous question was never answered. How many planes have been hijacked since
the installation of secure cockpit doors…I’m still waiting on that one.
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So the mall deterrent scared the shooter so bad he killed himself? That’s not logical, to me.

I apologize, I never saw the question.

Secure cockpit doors were not the only changes made in air travel. So it’s not the only control in place, or that was put into place.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
You use an isolated incident in China, now address the times of mass shootings in the US over the last 20 years.

What happens when terrorist get nukes? Hypothetical situations can be imagined with any end. Truth is, 30 round magazines, or 100 round drums, have no place in civilian hands. We’ve seen the reality of those. Every second could be another life saved.
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The isolated incident in China is indicative of a motivated human nature when it has embrace evil. How is documented human nature hypothetical?

What exactly would keep that from happing here?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Every second could be another life saved.

I don’t see any controls taking away my ability to hunt, and have a home defense in the worst case scenario. They would be no more than minor inconveniences.
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Talk about “hypothetical” :rolleyes:
 
Cor_Cordis said:
That has always been the goal of these Far-Left Socialist that are currently in power.

Why don’t you assume so?
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That is speculation.

I think it’s because, I have a different view of what America is.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
The objective of controls is to limit guns from criminals.
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Do you realize how many felonies these murderers commit even before they arrive on the scene of the massacre? Countless.
You are wrong that I want to limit the law abiding; however, as a Christian, I think it minor sacrifices to try and save lives. No one is calling for a total eradication of guns.
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The total death toll of “assault weapons” is less than 300 people per year with over 300 million guns in circulation and with over 1 million “assault weapons” in NY alone! It’s very small. That’s equivalent to 2 hours worth of abortions for one day in terms of life lost in the USA alone.

When it comes to private owned firearms, democrats generally do not believe in the second amendment. In fact most dictators believe in total disarmament of civilians as history has recorded countless times.

How far do you limit guns? If all these gun laws passed and another massacre happens do you go for guns again?
We aren’t going to change hearts by telling them to change or we’ll shoot you.
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We will not change hearts by making everyone suffer because of the actions of a few people.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
That is speculation.

I think it’s because, I have a different view of what America is.
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Most dictators believe in total disarmament of civilians as history has recorded countless times. It is just a matter of fact.
 
Cor_Cordis said:
You assume the first teacher would be neutralized. And you also assume that in doing so the assailant wouldn’t alert other armed teachers and security personnel. All highly improbable with the proper training.

Your reasoning is flawed on several levels as a practical matter.
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If the assailant is aware that the teachers are armed then yes, the teacher would be stargeted first.

And then the class are targets

Considering the other teachers would either have to pursue the the assailant and leave 24 or more kids behind or they would have to stay put.

Meanwhile Mr Psycho-Suicide is free to massacre.

Oh and my reasoning comes from a Captain and several NCOs in the 7th regiment of the Italian Alpini

They are students of mine and that was their analysis of the ridiculous concept of arming teachers in elementary schools.

And they served both in Afghanistan and Kosovo

Back in Afghanistan now as it happens.

Prayin f for their safe return.
 
jay29 said:
Most dictators believe in total disarmament of civilians as history has recorded countless times. It is just a matter of fact.
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Do you remember that some actually accused Bush of being behind 9/11?

This country has safeguards against ‘dictators.’
 
jay29 said:
Most dictators believe in total disarmament of civilians as history has recorded countless times. It is just a matter of fact.
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So do most pacifists and men of peace.

And as I recall, a lot of dictators found ways of arming goon squads with guns.
 
Cor_Cordis said:
Sure. When the people are in their homes.

But when they are in public, why not let them carry them for everyone’s safety?
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Road rage? Imagine the entire civilian population carrying guns. Not everyone is safety conscious, or rational enough, in my honest opinion. We have 300 million guns in this country. The solution is not to add more, in my opinion and the Cardinal’s, the USCCB, the Holy See, etc.
 
Northumbrian said:
If the assailant is aware that the teachers are armed then yes, the teacher would be stargeted first.

And then the class are targets

Considering the other teachers would either have to pursue the the assailant and leave 24 or more kids behind or they would have to stay put.

Meanwhile Mr Psycho-Suicide is free to massacre.

Oh and my reasoning comes from a Captain and several NCOs in the 7th regiment of the Italian Alpini

They are students of mine and that was their analysis of the ridiculous concept of arming teachers in elementary schools

And they served both in Afghanistan and Kosovo

Back in Afghanistan now as it happens.

Prayin f for their safe return.
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Israel doesn’t have a problem arming teachers with assault weapons.
 
Cor_Cordis said:
Speculation?

So you trust the Obama Administration?
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I trust the system of government we have. For years doomsayers have preached the end because of elections. We the people are the government, and the majority rules.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
So the mall deterrent scared the shooter so bad he killed himself? That’s not logical, to me.

I apologize, I never saw the question.

Secure cockpit doors were not the only changes made in air travel. So it’s not the only control in place, or that was put into place.
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Because you refuse to accept that’s why he killed himself does not change the outcome. I’ts been shown that a person can get a weapon past airport security but without access to the cockpit what good would it do. I’m beginning to see that you like to argue for arguments sake without suggesting or accepting anything other then your agenda.
 
Cor_Cordis said:
So you trust the Obama Administration?
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From his blog clearly Cardinal Dolan has major differences of opinions with it that one could describe as “mistrust” and he is the topic of this debate, so what is your point?

It seems that question has been answered on multiple occasions.

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Prodigal_Son1 said:
Road rage? Imagine the entire civilian population carrying guns. Not everyone is safety conscious, or rational enough, in my honest opinion. We have 300 million guns in this country. The solution is not to add more, in my opinion and the Cardinal’s, the USCCB, the Holy See, etc.
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I can garuantee you if all woman were armed a rapist would think twice about doing his evil acts. Especially if these attempted rapists start turning up dead. More dead rapists and home invaders than victims would do more good than passing gun laws criminals don’t follow anyway.
 
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