Cardinal Dolan finds common ground with Obama on guns

[Prodigal_Son1]

Have you thanked America yet?

I think it’s mistaken to think that the US became involved in the world wars, or any war, to be ‘thanked.’

 

[Northumbrian]

I think it’s mistaken to think that the US became involved in the world wars, or any war, to be ‘thanked.’

It is even more mistaken to use the service and sacrifice of American servicemen in order to receive thanks for something that one did not take part in.:sad_yes:

 

[Cor_Cordis]

A utopia (/juːˈtoʊpiə/) is a community or society possessing highly desirable or perfect qualities.

Heaven is much more metaphysically complete than a mere “community” or a “society”.

The Beatific Vision is beyond our limited mortal comprehensions.

But I do share your basic sentiments.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

It is even more mistaken to use the service and sacrifice of American servicemen in order to receive thanks for something that one did not take part in.:sad_yes:

Agreed.

 

[shipwrkd]

Have you thankedFrance?

No, America aided. Unless you want to ignore the sacrifice made by millions of Allies from Russia, the British Commonwealth and over a dozen other allied countries.

Total deaths from combat:
France…217,000
UK…383,000
USA…416,000
Russia…9,000,000
Perhaps we should all be thanking the Russians.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

I think it’s mistaken to think that the US became involved in the world wars, or any war, to be ‘thanked.’

It didn’t.

On the contrary, if U.S. liberty is going to be openly criticized, then due historical balance should be called upon.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Heaven is much more metaphysically complete than a mere “community” or a “society”.

The Beatific Vision is beyond our limited mortal comprehensions.

But I do share your basic sentiments.

Semantics, in my opinion. Heaven is ‘perfect’, as your definition of utopia states. The Church, or Kingdom, is a ‘community.’

 

[Cor_Cordis]

It is even more mistaken to use the service and sacrifice of American servicemen in order to receive thanks for something that one did not take part in.:sad_yes:

Relatives on both my parents sides died in those conflicts.

My grandfather and one great uncle and my father and 4 of my uncles also served in both those wars.

I forgive you.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Total deaths from combat:
France…217,000
UK…383,000
USA…416,000
Russia…9,000,000
Perhaps we should all be thanking the Russians.

The U.S. supplied Russia with armaments.

The Russian army was also responsible for horrendous war crimes as well. And countless souls were sent to the Gulags.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Semantics, in my opinion. Heaven is ‘perfect’, as your definition of utopia states. The Church, or Kingdom, is a ‘community.’

Not mere “semantics”.

Significant theological distinctions.

You’re making Heaven small.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

A huge hat-tip to British Prime Minister Winston Church Hill!

He was the true moral leader of the Allied forces.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Relatives on both my parents sides died in those conflicts.

My grandfather and one great uncle and my father and 4 of my uncles also served in both those wars.

I forgive you.

We all, I imagine, had lineages that died in those wars. They are the ones who provided, ‘…service and sacrifice of American servicemen…’ I think you’re forgiving something that you agree on?

Irregardless, it wasn’t Americans serving with their ‘private arms.’ (An attempt to go back to the topic.)

 

[Northumbrian]

Relatives on both my parents sides died in those conflicts.

My grandfather and one great uncle and my father and 4 of my uncles also served in both those wars.

Lost quite a few of my family in the war and the Blitz myself.

I forgive you.

I was not the one belittling the service of another country’s men and women.

 

[shipwrkd]

It is even more mistaken to use the service and sacrifice of American servicemen in order to receive thanks for something that one did not take part in.:sad_yes:

Well then, both you and PS1 can thank my Farther
I’m not as charitable as others, you’ll have to ask for my forgiveness

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Well then, both you and PS1 can thank my Farther

I apologize and thought it evident we were honoring those that made the sacrifices. We all have lineages that made sacrifices in one, or both, of those wars; and other wars.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Lost quite a few of my family in the war and the Blitz myself. I was not the one belittling the service of another country’s men and women.

I wasn’t belittling your country men who served. I was taking exception at your implied remarks towards the spirit of American Independence.

 

[Northumbrian]

Well then, both you and PS1 can thank my Farther

I thank all that generation (we call them The Great Generation) that fought and died so that I could live.

no matter where they came from

 

[shipwrkd]

Back to Dolan

 

[Cor_Cordis]

We all, I imagine, had lineages that died in those wars. They are the ones who provided, ‘…service and sacrifice of American servicemen…’ I think you’re forgiving something that you agree on?

Irregardless, it wasn’t Americans serving with their ‘private arms.’ (An attempt to go back to the topic.)

It was Americans serving who were by and large familiar with private arms.

Perhaps you’ve heard of Sgt York?

Audie Murphy?

 

[styrgwillidar]

I wonder if the Cardinal has read this opinion piece in Pravda on gun control in Russia/Soviet Union.

english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/

ETA: here’s an interesting bit

“Of course being savages, murderers and liars does not mean being stupid and the Reds learned from their Civil War experience. One of the first things they did was to disarm the population. From that point, mass repression, mass arrests, mass deportations, mass murder, mass starvation were all a safe game for the powers that were. The worst they had to fear was a pitchfork in the guts or a knife in the back or the occasional hunting rifle. Not much for soldiers”