Cardinal Dolan Honors Girl Scouts at Cathedral Mass

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Julianna said:
SSA, I am not homophobe. I know what the bible says, I get it. However,*** I will not shun, begrudge, lecture, hound, put myself on a pedestal against my neighbors and friends who are in SS relationships, or who are gay/lesbian***.
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Do you believe that the Catholic Church does that or do you believe that it’s only some on these forums that do? If you believe that it’s only some on these forums that do can you please provide a quote from one so we can compare it to what is taught by the Church? Keep in mind there’s no way to know for sure that someone who comes on here claiming to be a Catholic really is one since everyone is anonymous. For all you know, I might be an atheist. I’m not, but how would you know that? 🙂
 
Dawnia said:
Possibly the Bishops believe in giving the GSA a chance to reform rather than just giving them the boot. 🤷
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It’s possible that’s true. But it’s likely to be a gesture of hope and good will made in vain given how entrenched in the culture of death our society now is. It’s more likely they will use it as a propaganda tool to convince those who are ignorant of Church teachings that the bishops gave them the award not despite but because of GSAs involvement with Planned Parenthood. 🙂
 
livingwordunity said:
It’s possible that’s true. But it’s likely to be a gesture of hope and good will made in vain given how entrenched in the culture of death our society now is. It’s more likely they will use it as a propaganda tool to convince those who are ignorant of Church teachings that the bishops gave them the award not despite but because of GSAs involvement with Planned Parenthood. 🙂
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There are people who would twist a Bishop waving at someone as a sign of support for their evil ways, but that doesn’t make it true.

Take down PP and that won’t be a problem anymore. 😃
 
livingwordunity said:
Do you believe that the Catholic Church does that or do you believe that it’s only some on these forums that do? If you believe that it’s only some on these forums that do can you please provide a quote from one so we can compare it to what is taught by the Church? Keep in mind there’s no way to know for sure that someone who comes on here claiming to be a Catholic really is one since everyone is anonymous. For all you know, I might be an atheist. I’m not, but how would you know that? 🙂
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I don’t have the time or the inclination to find quotes. I have a life outside of CAF, I don’t spend the day on here, I have other things to do…you know, work, pay bills, spend time with family, garden, go shopping, clean the house, do laundry, …obla dee obla da…life goes on.

And speaking of going on…the adoptive parents (my daughter chose), just FB a pic of the handsome fella in his Cub Scout Uniform! Ain’t it great! He just made Wolf Cub. I am so proud of him. I would be proud if it were a girl and she proudly displayed her GS uniform and merit badge. I guess the Diocese of Charleston doesn’t agree with you and other members on CAF. (He was adopted by a Catholic family and is being raised Catholic)…😃
 
GRATEFULONEjim said:
The main issue is that the curriculum is provided by GSA. The workbooks and guidance materials are provided with the content in print like a textbook. It is not removable. Whether or not the Scout Leader wishes to teach the material is moot. The Scouts already have it. Membership dues go directly to GSA to support this teaching.
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If those materials which are mandatory and core to the program covered abortion as an alternative, then this would be an issue that would prove the allegation. As far as dues, again, the remoteness of cooperation would need to be considered.
 
Lucky7 said:
Gratefuljim,

Thank you for informing others so they can come to an educated, Catholic decision. Your comments are not fear mongering at all.
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Faithful Catholics are better educated by the Church than internet posters. There is nothing wrong with those who want to wait until the facts can be investigated by the USCCB.
 
Lucky7 said:
My mind was at ease, thanks. But I’m still not clear on where you stand on Catholic teachings wrt those controversial topics. But I’m getting accustomed to vague answers regarding Church teachings on CAF.
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Then let us clear up what** is and what is not** Church teaching. Abortion is 100% mortally sinful at all times. One can not have one, perform one or materially contribute to one. No one is vague about this teaching here at CAF. The GSA is not Church teaching in any shape or form. At this time, parents, priests and bishops can differ in their response to Girl Scouts. One’s judgment of this matter at this time does not extend past the scope of one’s immediate situation.

In not case, does any Catholic should take upon himself the mantle of judgement of any bishop or priest in any matter that is *in excess *of what the Church has taught or recommended. We should not even be doing this to our lay brothers and sisters, non-Catholics or any other human being. To do so is to really elevate our own opinions of a matter higher than it should be.
 
pnewton said:
Then let us clear up what** is and what is not** Church teaching. Abortion is 100% mortally sinful at all times. One can not have one, perform one or materially contribute to one. No one is vague about this teaching here at CAF. The GSA is not Church teaching in any shape or form. At this time, parents, priests and bishops can differ in their response to Girl Scouts. One’s judgment of this matter at this time does not extend past the scope of one’s immediate situation.

In not case, does any Catholic should take upon himself the mantle of judgement of any bishop or priest in any matter that is *in excess *of what the Church has taught or recommended. We should not even be doing this to our lay brothers and sisters, non-Catholics or any other human being. To do so is to really elevate our own opinions of a matter higher than it should be.
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Thanks. I just couldn’t find the words. 🙂
 
pnewton said:
Faithful Catholics are better educated by the Church than internet posters. There is nothing wrong with those who want to wait until the facts can be investigated by the USCCB.
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Are you suggesting that we are educated by Church actions? If so, how did that work out when the Church was covering up the sex abuse? Let’s not fool ourselves into thinking that every move by the Church is what’s best for us. The Church is made up of sinners from the bottom to the top.

As for the investigation, why has there been no update? How are we being educated when there has been no explanations, etc? If there is an investigation and the Church continues to support groups that are under investigation shouldn’t the Church at least be communicating on how that’s going? And, last but not least, why can’t I find any mention of this investigation on the USCCB website? Is there really an investigation going on?
 
Lucky7 said:
Are you suggesting that we are educated by Church actions? If so, how did that work out when the Church was covering up the sex abuse? Let’s not fool ourselves into thinking that every move by the Church is what’s best for us. The Church is made up of sinners from the bottom to the top.

As for the investigation, why has there been no update? How are we being educated when there has been no explanations, etc? If there is an investigation and the Church continues to support groups that are under investigation shouldn’t the Church at least be communicating on how that’s going? And, last but not least, why can’t I find any mention of this investigation on the USCCB website? Is there really an investigation going on?
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maybe because it’s muchado about nothin’ and the Church has bigger fish to fry other than the Girl Scouts of America.🤷
 
pnewton said:
Then let us clear up what** is and what is not** Church teaching. Abortion is 100% mortally sinful at all times. One can not have one, perform one or materially contribute to one. No one is vague about this teaching here at CAF. The GSA is not Church teaching in any shape or form. At this time, parents, priests and bishops can differ in their response to Girl Scouts. One’s judgment of this matter at this time does not extend past the scope of one’s immediate situation.

In not case, does any Catholic should take upon himself the mantle of judgement of any bishop or priest in any matter that is *in excess *of what the Church has taught or recommended. We should not even be doing this to our lay brothers and sisters, non-Catholics or any other human being. To do so is to really elevate our own opinions of a matter higher than it should be.
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And it is your opinion that this issue is in excess of what the Church teaches.

I refer you to post #14. Even the USCCB provides guidance on how we should respond to organizations that go against Church teachings.

I keep hearing about some USCCB investigation into whether GSA is such an organization and yet I see no proof of it. One has to wonder whether there really is one.
 
pnewton said:
If those materials which are mandatory and core to the program covered abortion as an alternative, then this would be an issue that would prove the allegation. As far as dues, again, the remoteness of cooperation would need to be considered.
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Jim has already stated that the contents of the curriculum/books are contrary to Church teaching.

Jim, could you be more specific?
 
Lucky7 said:
Jim has already stated that the contents of the curriculum/books are contrary to Church teaching.

Jim, could you be more specific?
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Or better yet, link it. Or mail it to the USCCB as evidence and ask that they have it removed or issue an advisory against GSA. Of course for you, you already have your answer. As I said earlier, if one is in a parish that drops affiliation with GSA in favor of something like Heritage Girls, I think one should support their priest of diocese in that decision, with more than words if you can.
 
pnewton said:
Faithful Catholics are better educated by the Church than internet posters. There is nothing wrong with those who want to wait until the facts can be investigated by the USCCB.
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OK, since I was wrong in how I interpreted part of this post, I’ve come back to it. If you are just making a general statement about the Church teaching us better than internet posters I would agree with that. However, here is an opportunity for the Church to teach us about GSA and the allegations against it. Could you explain how the Church is doing that?
 
pnewton said:
Or better yet, link it. Or mail it to the USCCB as evidence and ask that they have it removed or issue an advisory against GSA. Of course for you, you already have your answer. As I said earlier, if one is in a parish that drops affiliation with GSA in favor of something like Heritage Girls, I think one should support their priest of diocese in that decision, with more than words if you can.
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Since you are the one who keeps bringing up the USCCB investigation, could you please provide a link to the investigation? I would be more than happy to give it some credence if I could actually see it and what the USCCB has said so far.
 
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