Cardinal George apologizes for linking Pride Parade to KKK

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Cardinal George apologizes for linking Pride Parade to KKK
George’s initial comments came in response to questions about whether the new route assigned to next summer’s gay pride parade would interrupt morning services at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in the Lakeview neighborhood. That dispute was resolved before Christmas, when parade organizers agreed to change the start time of the event.
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This is the part that I find very disturbing:
"The question is, ‘Does respect mean that we have to change our teaching?’ That’s an ongoing discussion, of course.
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Here is a commentary by Matt C. Abbott: The cardinal’s apology
I’m a bit perplexed. What exactly does he mean by “an ongoing discussion”? I can’t imagine the cardinal would ever suggest that natural and divine law can be changed, so why even say such a thing?
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Perplexed indeed. What message does that send to the many Catholics who are ill-informed about our faith?
 
The Cardinal’s analogy went a bit far. Good for him for apologizing for his choice of words.

I’ve gained a lot of respect for the Cardinal.
 
The_Reginator said:
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Cardinal George apologizes for linking Pride Parade to KKK

This is the part that I find very disturbing:

Here is a commentary by Matt C. Abbott: The cardinal’s apology

Perplexed indeed. What message does that send to the many Catholics who are ill-informed about our faith?
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I think Mr. Abbot is reading a bit too much into this. He can’t imagine that natural law can ever be changed, so why does the Cardinal refer to ongoing discussions? Well, an ongoing discussion doesn’t necessarily mean that one is considering changing one’s position on a given topic. It may also mean that one is attempting to clarify one’s position on the topic so that others may understand it more easily. Perhaps that is what the Cardinal means when he refers to ongoing discussions.
 
ringil said:
The Cardinal’s analogy went a bit far. Good for him for apologizing for his choice of words.

I’ve gained a lot of respect for the Cardinal.
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I agree. The Cardinal was correct to apologize for his remarks.
 
DihydrogenOxide said:
Why? He was telling the truth.
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His analogy is inappropriate. The KKK is a terrorist organization. The group organizing the “Gay Pride” march is not. Not only is the analogy inappropriate, but it weakens the Cardinal’s arguments and strengthens his opponents when extreme language such as this is used. Not only must one attempt to tell the truth, but one must attempt to tell it in such a way that the other person hears it. The Cardinal’s language does not allow his opponents to hear whatever truth he is speaking.
 
Tsuwano said:
His analogy is inappropriate. The KKK is a terrorist organization. The group organizing the “Gay Pride” march is not. Not only is the analogy inappropriate, but it weakens the Cardinal’s arguments and strengthens his opponents when extreme language such as this is used. Not only must one attempt to tell the truth, but one must attempt to tell it in such a way that the other person hears it. The Cardinal’s language does not allow his opponents to hear whatever truth he is speaking.
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Well put. 👍
 
Yeah, this was totally unfair…to the KKK. Extremely marginalized racists with a history of terrorism does seem a strange comparison to a widely chic and powerfully entrenched force whose aims destroy civilization and have a future of cultural terrorism.

Maybe the Cardinal will issue an apology for the apology.
 
Tsuwano said:
His analogy is inappropriate. The KKK is a terrorist organization. The group organizing the “Gay Pride” march is not. Not only is the analogy inappropriate, but it weakens the Cardinal’s arguments and strengthens his opponents when extreme language such as this is used. Not only must one attempt to tell the truth, but one must attempt to tell it in such a way that the other person hears it. The Cardinal’s language does not allow his opponents to hear whatever truth he is speaking.
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Yeah, now they are even more strengthened by his reply about how we are still discussing it. That’s a terrible reply and FAR worse than his comparison.

He was annoyed by it because they marched right in front of the church on a Sunday, during Mass, taking a different route than usual, and shouting loudly to prove a point. Most of these parades have bestiality floats, masochistic floats, and Man/boy floats, which is utter filth, and could be considered very similar to the KKK in the depth of evil.
Homosexuality isn’t exactly a light sin. It’s a sin that’ll ground you in hell, especially for shoving it down others’ throats and participating in others’ sins.
comrade1789 said:
Yeah, this was totally unfair…to the KKK. Extremely marginalized racists with a history of terrorism does seem a strange comparison to a widely chic and powerfully entrenched force whose aims destroy civilization and have a future of cultural terrorism.

Maybe the Cardinal will issue an apology for the apology.
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👍 I hope he does.
 
DihydrogenOxide said:
Yeah, now they are even more strengthened by his reply about how we are still discussing it. That’s a terrible reply and FAR worse than his comparison.

He was annoyed by it because they marched right in front of the church on a Sunday, during Mass, taking a different route than usual, and shouting loudly to prove a point. Most of these parades have bestiality floats, masochistic floats, and Man/boy floats, which is utter filth, and could be considered very similar to the KKK in the depth of evil.
Homosexuality isn’t exactly a light sin. It’s a sin that’ll ground you in hell, especially for shoving it down others’ throats and participating in others’ sins.
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I’ll get shot up for saying this, but I think the Cardinal was right the first time.👍
 
Tsuwano said:
His analogy is inappropriate. The KKK is a terrorist organization. The group organizing the “Gay Pride” march is not. Not only is the analogy inappropriate, but it weakens the Cardinal’s arguments and strengthens his opponents when extreme language such as this is used. Not only must one attempt to tell the truth, but one must attempt to tell it in such a way that the other person hears it. The Cardinal’s language does not allow his opponents to hear whatever truth he is speaking.
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Hmm…the fact that the radical gay activists are not terrorists is a debatable point. We have already seen them disrupt Church services en mass, destroy property, destroy businesses, physically intimidate people, and the list goes on. Maybe you would not call that “terrorism” or maybe you could not (at this point anyway) compare them to the KKK, but I would at the very least call that gangland activity. They are bullies when trying to prove their point. They are not helping their own cause.
The Cardinal was frustrated no doubt. He has seen them in action for long enough that he probably felt strongly that they needed to be called out. I have heard that the gay pride parades have toned it down, but I haven’t seen it. All I have seen is a disgusting display of filth that would offend Satan himself. I would be just as offended if it were a straight parade with the disgusting barbarism that is displayed.
 
comrade1789 said:
Yeah, this was totally unfair…to the KKK. Extremely marginalized racists with a history of terrorism does seem a strange comparison to a widely chic and powerfully entrenched force whose aims destroy civilization and have a future of cultural terrorism.

Maybe the Cardinal will issue an apology for the apology.
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The aim of the Gay movement is to “destroy civilization?” Have you read this in their pamphlet or something, or is this just over the top rhetoric on your part?
 
DihydrogenOxide said:
Yeah, now they are even more strengthened by his reply about how we are still discussing it. That’s a terrible reply and FAR worse than his comparison.

He was annoyed by it because they marched right in front of the church on a Sunday, during Mass, taking a different route than usual, and shouting loudly to prove a point. Most of these parades have bestiality floats, masochistic floats, and Man/boy floats, which is utter filth, and could be considered very similar to the KKK in the depth of evil.
Homosexuality isn’t exactly a light sin. It’s a sin that’ll ground you in hell, especially for shoving it down others’ throats and participating in others’ sins.

👍 I hope he does.
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Perhaps you should read my previous post in which I suggested that discussing a point is not the same thing as accepting an opponent’s point. It could also mean clarifying your own point so that your opponent can better understand it. The Gay movement is not strengthened when the Catholic position on homosexuality is taught and explained, unless we are mean in our dialog and begin to compare the Gay movement to something it obviously isn’t.
The Cardinal has every right to be annoyed when a Gay Pride parade interrupts the liturgy by stopping in front of a church during mass. He should let the organizers of that parade know about his concerns and, if necessary, approach the police about it. He shouldn’t call them names. That kind of behavior will simply backfire, as it did, and force the Cardinal to apologize . . . which he did.
 
Teelynn said:
Hmm…the fact that the radical gay activists are not terrorists is a debatable point. We have already seen them disrupt Church services en mass, destroy property, destroy businesses, physically intimidate people, and the list goes on. Maybe you would not call that “terrorism” or maybe you could not (at this point anyway) compare them to the KKK, but I would at the very least call that gangland activity. They are bullies when trying to prove their point. They are not helping their own cause.
The Cardinal was frustrated no doubt. He has seen them in action for long enough that he probably felt strongly that they needed to be called out. I have heard that the gay pride parades have toned it down, but I haven’t seen it. All I have seen is a disgusting display of filth that would offend Satan himself. I would be just as offended if it were a straight parade with the disgusting barbarism that is displayed.
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I agree, the Cardinal must have been very frustrated, but that doesn’t give him a license to call his opponents names and compare them to terrorists. I’m not so much concerned with the behavior of the participants in the Gay Pride parades as much as I am with the behavior of our Catholic leaders. I don’t care if the Gay Pride movement is not helped by the behavior of its members, but I am concerned when the authority of the Cardinal and the merits of the Catholic position on homosexuality are questioned because the Cardinal allowed his frustration to carry him away. I think the Cardinal did the right thing to apologize for his words and I think more highly of him because of it.
 
Sorry but when have gays used violence to further their gay agenda?

I mean other than glittering people.
 
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