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Of course He did. He did it through His Church. \quote]
OK, so we agree the Church is not “over-riding” Jesus, just making a doctrinal adjustment like the many others made in the last 2000 years.
OK, well I don’t think many Catholics (even in the hierarchy) would agree that everything the Church says about the administration of the sacraments is the “direct teaching of Christ.” That said, I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.
See thats my point right there the people who have made decisions on things through out the years have made stuff up…some of it morally good and some not so good…we are pretty good at weeding it out to get to the good stuff. Rules have been made and because of the establishment these rules then get tied to the whole coined term “divinely inspired” thus infalable. People then believe blindly that everything that comes out of the churches mouth is in facto a direct teaching of christ because the church says so (dont question). That just isnt so and for that reason through out the years we have seen some serious atrocities in the name of god! Its similar to the Gospels and the big debate these days about who actually wrote many of them since most of them date well after the original 12 died. they tied their names to them to give them weight and authority.
You see I do believe the church itself was divinly inspired. God did establish a church on Peter. The way I explain it to people is Jesus set the Corner stone and the appostles built the foundation. It was then left up to man to take it from there. We did a pretty good job minus about 200-700 years of some questionable popes depending on how you feel about that. Cant deny that we had some whopers. I do believe that in order to get ahold of a huge establishment man had to create a structure, rules, guidelines and we did it to align as much to the teachings of christ and the apostles as we could. BUT there are things about the instution that are simply mans interpretation of what happened. Remember this all was an oral tradition for hundereds of years pre bible. Did god preach about divorce and marriage…sure he did but he didnt tell us how to accomplish it, all the rituals, and sayings, processes, and retreats, payment of fees, how the letterhead was supposed to be set up, that we have installed and those are man made. If you say we cant change or traditions your crazy if you dont look at the orthodox and Roman split or vattican II froma purley Roman side. All these things are man created man inspired and just because they come from with in the church doesnt mean they are infact christ teachings. Now I dont need someone to pull 9 different things out of the gospels from different areas that show me otherwise because honestly when you yank a bunchof different stuff that may or may not be talking about a particular topic anyone can spin it to tie directly into anything we talk about. Could we be wrong about marriage probably not we will never now but just because Jesus said something it doesnt mean that there were not reasons why someone couldnt follow it to the letter. I dont believe he left us here with out any options.
Did Jesus give a hard line on mariage? sure he did but being God he had to understand that evil is still here where we dwell and that evil can and will invade our relationships if we let them. Are we going to condemn the inocent party of a marriage that fails because of evil deeds? You dont think that god knew that satan could destroy that bond that was created between the two simply because we are human and weak? Dont you think this compassionate god would shelter this woman and want her to be happy? Some may be happy with following the catholic teaching and some may not and seek love elsewhere is one going to heaven and one going to hell? I certainly dont think so. I think we were given options and a brain and morals to know whats right and wrong but I think man tries to be too literal sometimes and not allow the good to come of something becuase we are stubborn and made a decision a long time ago and wont change it. Honestly I dont think god is that cruel because he wants us to go to heaven. Hey thats just my opinion.
