Catholic and Democrat in US

[goout]

goout:

Can it be justified that doctors can even purchase the chemicals and tools used in killing unborn children?
Apply your own moral framework please.

Your logic is illogical.
You are equating a military style weapon with a 50 round magazine designed specifically to kill as many people as possible in the shortest time as possible to medical supplies?

What Adam Lanza did is wrong but it’s his choice. Adam Lanza had absolute autonomy over other human beings.”

Apply your own moral philosophy.
And what you are doing is appealing to power, not morality.

The morality of forcing a woman to have a child conceived through rape or incest or forcing a discussion to save the unborn child at the price of the mothers life? What’s your definition of morality?

So you are not willing to apply your moral framework to all people and situations.
What is that?
Selective morality? Racism? Age discrimination? Hypocrisy?
What?

 

[nicholasG]

So you are not willing to apply your moral framework to all people and situations.
What is that?
Selective morality? Racism? Age discrimination? Hypocrisy?
What?

You lost me.

 

[gracepoole]

gracepoole:

They shouldn’t be a front for any political party! And none of us should wish them to be.

As for EWTN becoming progressive, I believe you’re mistaken. In the wake of Mother Angelica’s illness, absence, and death, it’s become not a Catholic organization but a political one. That’s seriously alarming.

Ok you have Raymond. No hiding the bias there.
And?
The rosary? Mass? Fr Mitch?
Jim and Joy? Journey Home?
I think you are broad-brushing.

Point taken. Allow me, then, to limit my comments to EWTN News. I attempted to do so in my comments but I see now not successfully enough.

 

[NoelFitz]

they should be made aware that EWTN news is now little more than a front for the GOP.

This is a serious accusation.
Is it generally now accepted by Catholics that EWTN is biased?

Again, why would someone use a voting guide written by lay people when there is information provided by the bishops?

One should not expect bishops to be our political guides, except in moral issues.

In the US there is a separation of Church and State and it is not appropriate for the Church to interfere in politics, in general. Discernment is necessary.

So Jesus said to them, “Repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God.” Mk 12:17.

 

[gracepoole]

gracepoole:

they should be made aware that EWTN news is now little more than a front for the GOP.

This is a serious accusation.
Is it generally now accepted by Catholics that EWTN is biased?

Why would this be the appropriate standard?

Thbolt:

Again, why would someone use a voting guide written by lay people when there is information provided by the bishops?

One should not expect bishops to be our political guides, except in moral issues.

In the US there is a separation of Church and State and it is not appropriate for the Church to interfere in politics, in general. Discernment is necessary.

So Jesus said to them, “Repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God.” Mk 12:17.

Do you think, then, that a group of layman is more qualified to put out a voter’s guide?

FWIW, the bishops’ guide does not tell people for whom they should vote. But voting is a moral issue in most cases so it makes sense for the Church to offer some insight into weighing various moral topics when determining how to vote.

 

[nicholasG]

So you are not willing to apply your moral framework to all people and situations.
What is that?
Selective morality? Racism? Age discrimination? Hypocrisy?
What?

Are you saying I have selective mortality based on Racism, Age discrimination and Hypocrisy?
That’s very unchristian of you.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Is it generally now accepted by Catholics that EWTN is biased?

Not all Catholics, no. I think EWTN does a good job promoting Catholic teaching.

 

[farronwolf]

By saying these things must be supported or opposed, does not mean that one can not vote for a politician who believes contrary to those things.

That stretch from the Bishops guidance to “you can’t vote for someone because of X” is where people are overstepping their bounds and saying something that the Bishops do not say.

 

[farronwolf]

And “balloon payment” loans are as common as dirt. Nearly every business or farm loan has a balloon feature. And in both there are “events of default” that can be interpreted adversely.

Good thing the law is not as cold as you are making yourself seem.

I completely disagree with you. I have been running my accounting business for 27 years now.

Your statement of “nearly every business or farm loan” is nonsense.

I will leave this by saying the few business customers of mine who have had to file bankruptcy in the past 27 years is very, very small, and those folks had no business running a business in the first place.

 

[Rasoleil]

I do not base my vote on a singular issue.

 

[Rasoleil]

I understand what you are saying, however, EWTN’s Raymond Arroyo has a regular segment, called “Seen and Unseen” (not coincidently a phrase taken from the Nicean Creed, so by that virtue he is showing his religious and Catholic bias on his segment) on Fox’s Laura Ingraham’s show every night and he has filled in for her several times (each time an entire week) when she had gone on vacation. Laura Ingraham is Catholic, and there’s no problem with that, of course, but she mixes religion and politics as well, and furthermore has a Catholic bias or slant throughout her shows, particularly when she interviews Arroyo on Seen and Unseen. Arroyo is quite opinionated as most of us know, and definitely pro- GOP and pro-Trump and clearly expresses it on Fox. He has a right to his opinion, but him being on both Fox ( as a guest and even as a host), clearly blurs the line between politics and religion. EWTN may not have an affiliation with Fox News, but in my opinion, Raymond Arroyo’s regular gig on Fox gives the appearance of a close relationship or even an informal affiliation between the two. And because Arroyo and Ingraham ( who is Catholic as well) are clearly pro - GOP, and pro-Trump, there is also the appearance that EWTN is political and pro- GOP and pro-Trump. When one sees Arroyo hosting his regular show on EWTN, how can a regular viewer of both, or just a casual viewer of both, how can a person not think of Arroyo and Fox News having an affiliation? And the same for EWTN and Fox, as when a person sees Arroyo on EWTN, how can that person not think that there is an affiliation between the two networks? I’m not saying the is, but the appearance is clearly obvious. This is only my opinion and am not attacking Arroyo, and have nothing against him personally, but like I stated, his particular daily segment and his frequent filling in as a Fox host when Ingraham is on vacation, appearances matter. The lines between Fox, the GOP, Trump, and EWTN, as well as religion and politics, seems rather blurred.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I completely disagree with you. I have been running my accounting business for 27 years now.

Your statement of “nearly every business or farm loan” is nonsense.

I will leave this by saying the few business customers of mine who have had to file bankruptcy in the past 27 years is very, very small, and those folks had no business running a business in the first place.

The only commercial or farm loans that do not have balloons are the ones that are government subsidized and are sold to securitizers, like FSA or SBA. No commercial lender will take rate risk beyond perhaps five years. I close loans as part of my job, and other than securitized loans, no lender takes long term rate risk.

I have no reason to doubt that the number of your clients who have taken bankruptcy is small, and perhaps they had no business being in business. But they’re not all bad businesses.

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[Pattylt]

I realize this entire thread is for us US citizens but extrapolating the discussion beyond the borders here, what about Catholics in Europe? From what I get her there isn’t even the choice of an anti abortion candidate? Are they not to vote then?

Personally, I think many voters use the abortion question to justify their political choice anyway…Gee, I have to vote Republican because of the abortion issue…like they would vote Democrat otherwise. It’s obviously not true.

I’m afraid legal abortions are settled law. Politicians on both sides continue to act like it could be changed. It can’t. The only way would be a constitutional amendment that has zero chance of passing. Zero. But it keeps a few voters in their camp. It also prevents real changes to legislation that would reduce abortions…the only thing anyone can really hope to do. I’m just amazed that so many still feel that the hopeless cause of overturning RvW is possible and seem to refuse to consider any other means. I stopped listening to RvW arguments long ago…might as well try to bring back horses for transportation.

I know it’s hard to give up a cherished goal but it’s time to accept the fact that the law is here to stay and instead, direct energies into programs shown to help. Look at the reasons for abortion that we can fix. We won’t fix them all…babies will still be aborted and it’s a shame…but let’s at least fix what’s possible instead of looking at something that’s impossible.

 

[Ridgerunner]

He has a right to his opinion, but him being on both Fox ( as a guest and even as a host), clearly blurs the line between politics and religion.

Sounds like a good man to me. One should absolutely inform his politics with his religion. Politics is not without human consequences of a very serious kind. If one does not bring his religion to political matters, then he’ll bring some kind of principles (more likely just values) to it.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

By saying these things must be supported or opposed, does not mean that one can not vote for a politician who believes contrary to those things.

I disagree. If you put someone in office who has the capability to enforce or not enforce, to enact laws or not enact laws regarding such things, you are either supporting or opposing the very issues the bishops are talking about.

That stretch from the Bishops guidance to “you can’t vote for someone because of X” is where people are overstepping their bounds and saying something that the Bishops do not say.

I think Catholics come up with a lot of ways to justify voting for pro-abortion democrats and these democrats today are not just people who agree with such evils but are those enacting laws or allowing laws that not only support the evils but push the evils on society.

EWTN’s Raymond Arroyo has a regular segment, called “Seen and Unseen” (not coincidently a phrase taken from the Nicean Creed, so by that virtue he is showing his religious and Catholic bias on his segment) on Fox’s Laura Ingraham’s show every night and he has filled in for her several times (each time an entire week) when she had gone on vacation. Laura Ingraham is Catholic, and there’s no problem with that, of course, but she mixes religion and politics as well, and furthermore has a Catholic bias or slant throughout her shows, particularly when she interviews Arroyo on Seen and Unseen.

Yes, I know. I usually make it a point to watch him on EWTN and on Fox. The seen and unseen was taken from his show on EWTN.

Arroyo is quite opinionated as most of us know, and definitely pro- GOP and pro-Trump and clearly expresses it on Fox

I see no problem with that. If he is expressing it on Fox it is definitely no problem.

And because Arroyo and Ingraham ( who is Catholic as well) are clearly pro - GOP, and pro-Trump, there is also the appearance that EWTN is political and pro- GOP and pro-Trump.

That would be an assumption. I am sure there are many at EWTN that are pro GOP and pro Trump but that is their choice but that doesn’t mean everyone there is and there is nothing wrong with it if they are.

how can a regular viewer of both, or just a casual viewer of both, how can a person not think of Arroyo and Fox News having an affiliation?

That again would be an assumption.

The lines between Fox, the GOP, Trump, and EWTN, as well as religion and politics, seems rather blurred.

IMHO, what I believe people are seeing is maybe not that EWTN is agreeing or affiliating itself with Fox but maybe some at Fox want to affiliate with EWTN or become closer to Catholic morals. Not everyone of course, but may some, such as Laura Ingraham.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Personally, I think many voters use the abortion question to justify their political choice anyway…Gee, I have to vote Republican because of the abortion issue…like they would vote Democrat otherwise. It’s obviously not true.

I was born and raised a Democrat and as an adult was an officeholder in the party and an activist. Abortion was exactly why I left the party. No other reason. I will admit, however, that now, years later, I probably would not be a Democrat anymore for other reasons beside that. Its absolutely refusal to do anything to aid the truly needy is one of them. It was once better than that.

I’m not a Repub now. I’m just not a Democrat.

Efforts to reduce abortion by legislation is happening in some states where Repubs dominate the legislatures. It’s incorrect to deny that. But I do not accept the Democrat counsel to despair. “Oh, give it up” they say “you’ll never succeed”. Reminds me of the Agony in the Garden scene in “Passion of the Christ”. If nothing else, one can at least retain a bit of moral self-respect knowing one has done what one can to preserve the lives of unborn children.

 

[Rasoleil]

Oh I had no idea Seen and Unseen was taken from his show on ETWN. That seems to be a further reinforcement (even if there is no affiliation) the idea of the appearance of an affiliation between Fox News and EWTN.

 

[Pattylt]

If nothing else, one can at least retain a bit of moral self-respect knowing one has done what one can to preserve the lives of unborn children.

I realize that it’s an idealized goal. It’s just tilting at windmills in my opinion. I’ve better uses of my time actually helping these desperate women.

 

[Pattylt]

This brought up another question…

Why not fight so hard to have sex before marriage illegal? It’s as much an idealized goal as turning over RvW and about as much chance at success…but also morally worthy!

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Oh I had no idea Seen and Unseen was taken from his show on ETWN. That seems to be a further reinforcement (even if there is no affiliation) the idea of the appearance of an affiliation between Fox News and EWTN.

At the end of World Over Live he says we will be scouring the world for all that is seen and unseen.

As I said, maybe it is some at Fox news that want more of a Catholic viewpoint on their show and not EWTN going political. We must be sure not to make assumptions. It never goes well.