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The Catholic Answers Voting Guide can be found here:
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farronwolf
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Or they could refer the guidance from the usccb or the words of the Pope.
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MagdalenaRita
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What specifically?
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MagdalenaRita
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Do you have a link to the information provided by the bishops?
farronwolf
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If you have a 50k loan that is due tomorrow and you haven’t made provisions for refinancing the loan before today, you have no business running a business and you should loose the business and everything else you have to pay your creditors.
I can only assume you dont run your own business, or at least I hope you dont.
I can only assume you dont run your own business, or at least I hope you dont.
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MagdalenaRita
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So, that is what I thought you might be referring to. I guess I see it as the voters guide is something people will find as a summary of the bishops guide. The bishops guide is 53 pages long and many people will not read that but they will a smaller guide.
That said, in the bishops pdf it states:
some issues involve principles that can never be abandoned, such as the fundamental right to life and marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
Abortion, the deliberate killing of a human being before birth, is never morally acceptable and must always be opposed
Laws that legitimize any of these practices are profoundly unjust and immoral. Our Conference supports laws and policies to protect human life to the maximum degree possible,*
Marriage must be defined, recognized, and protected as a lifelong exclusive commitment between a man and a woman, and as the source of the next generation and the protective haven for children.
I don’t see how the bishops can be more clear than this.
It is also very clear which politicians are promoting the evils the bishops say we must stand up against.
That said, in the bishops pdf it states:
some issues involve principles that can never be abandoned, such as the fundamental right to life and marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
Abortion, the deliberate killing of a human being before birth, is never morally acceptable and must always be opposed
Laws that legitimize any of these practices are profoundly unjust and immoral. Our Conference supports laws and policies to protect human life to the maximum degree possible,*
Marriage must be defined, recognized, and protected as a lifelong exclusive commitment between a man and a woman, and as the source of the next generation and the protective haven for children.
I don’t see how the bishops can be more clear than this.
It is also very clear which politicians are promoting the evils the bishops say we must stand up against.
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MagdalenaRita
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I get that. I would rather read something from the bishops also. The OP is asking about abortion. This is what the bishops say in their guide must always be opposed, so I do not see how I am cherry picking. I am showing what the bishops say in their document. We can’t support abortion or support someone who has the capability to allow abortions. The voters guide is in line with the bishops.
Here is another very good resource with much information:
https://www.ewtn.com/vote/
It’s like the Church keeps speaking out but there are listening issues in the laity.
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goout
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Yes of course, in my judgment.goout:
Would preserving human life at all stages include banning military type weapons and creating a national database to register all gun owners so that we could avoid another Sandy Hook were 20-year-old Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people, including 20 children between six and seven years old, and six adult staff members.
You do realize that our laws unambiguously condemn what Lanza did?
Should not millions of unborn children have the same respect from the law?
If not, why not?
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Ridgerunner
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I do run my own business. Sorry to disappoint you.
And “balloon payment” loans are as common as dirt. Nearly every business or farm loan has a balloon feature. And in both there are “events of default” that can be interpreted adversely.
Good thing the law is not as cold as you are making yourself seem.
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Of course the law condemns it but the law also allows for the purchase of the military type weapon used to commit the murder in the first place. Can that be justified?
I believe that abortion for any reason except in the case of rape, incest and the health of woman is wrong but these are decisions that should be made by the woman and her doctor and/or family not a decree of law. It’s her body and her conscience, God will be the judge not man.
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Diaconia
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I believe the first time they produced one, the USCCB didn’t have anything comparable, IIRC.
Of course you can also read the USCCB’s guide as well.
And, for what it’s worth; you wouldn’t be able to express your opinion at all, if it weren’t for Catholic Answers; who owns and operates these forums.
Why dismiss their guide? Have you read it? I would suggest a little gratitude could be shown to them instead.
Deacon Christopher
Of course you can also read the USCCB’s guide as well.
And, for what it’s worth; you wouldn’t be able to express your opinion at all, if it weren’t for Catholic Answers; who owns and operates these forums.
Why dismiss their guide? Have you read it? I would suggest a little gratitude could be shown to them instead.
Deacon Christopher
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MagdalenaRita
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Not all Catholics dislike Fox news. I personally have no problem with them, so I am not sure I understand the comparison. ?
I like EWTN also, maybe not every show but there are some very good shows on EWTN. I realize things changed at one point and more liberal or progressive Catholics took over, though.
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Let’s apply your moral philosophy:
Apply your own moral framework please.
Apply your own moral philosophy.
And what you are doing is appealing to power, not morality.
When a society refuses to treat human beings with consistent moral principles and full value you end up with genocide, racism, things like the 3/5 compromise, abortion.
Can it be justified that doctors can even purchase the chemicals and tools used in killing unborn children?goout:
Of course the law condemns it but the law also allows for the purchase of the military type weapon used to commit the murder in the first place. Can that be justified?
Apply your own moral framework please.
“What Adam Lanza did is wrong but it’s his choice. Adam Lanza had absolute autonomy over other human beings.”
Apply your own moral philosophy.
And what you are doing is appealing to power, not morality.
When a society refuses to treat human beings with consistent moral principles and full value you end up with genocide, racism, things like the 3/5 compromise, abortion.
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MagdalenaRita
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I used to believe that also but no longer. It is not just about the woman’s body, but also a baby’s body. The baby, whether it be rape or not is an innocent victim. Two wrongs do not make a right.
And in the end, there most always are two victims, both the mother and the child. The agony that post abortive women suffer is horrible.
A law would protect both the mother and the child.
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gracepoole
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When was that?! The central spokesperson for their “news” branch is unapologetically shilling for Fox News and doesn’t even feign objectivity. Of course you’re free to like the outfit. But if others are encouraged to read their voting guide, they should be made aware that EWTN news is now little more than a front for the GOP.gracepoole:
Not all Catholics dislike Fox news. I personally have no problem with them, so I am not sure I understand the comparison. ?
I like EWTN also, maybe not every show but there are some very good shows on EWTN. I realize things changed at one point and more liberal or progressive Catholics took over, though.
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MagdalenaRita
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There was a point when Mother Angelica, and I am not sure of all the details but she no longer had the control of the station she had in the beginning and some shows became more progressive or protestant “ease”. Not all, but some. Compared to today, the changes are probably considered pretty conservative, though.
So, I find that a good thing. IMHO, the GOP is closer to Catholic teaching or at least doesn’t promote the evils the democrats do. If EWTN was a front for the democratic party, I would be very disturbed.
I don’t see an issue. As a matter of fact, I am glad to hear that. It is encouraging.
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They shouldn’t be a front for any political party! And none of us should wish them to be.
As for EWTN becoming progressive, I believe you’re mistaken. In the wake of Mother Angelica’s illness, absence, and death, it’s become not a Catholic organization but a political one. That’s seriously alarming.
As for EWTN becoming progressive, I believe you’re mistaken. In the wake of Mother Angelica’s illness, absence, and death, it’s become not a Catholic organization but a political one. That’s seriously alarming.
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MagdalenaRita
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I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I am only going by what I heard in a video on her biography.
If it seems they connect more with the GOP, it could be a reason to consider perhaps the GOP is closer to Catholic morals.
That said they are not affiliated with the GOP or Fox news. Neither Fox news nor the GOP direct EWTN.
I am only going by what I heard in a video on her biography.
If it seems they connect more with the GOP, it could be a reason to consider perhaps the GOP is closer to Catholic morals.
That said they are not affiliated with the GOP or Fox news. Neither Fox news nor the GOP direct EWTN.
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goout
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Ok you have Raymond. No hiding the bias there.
And?
The rosary? Mass? Fr Mitch?
Jim and Joy? Journey Home?
I think you are broad-brushing.
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nicholasG
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Your logic is illogical.
You are equating a military style weapon with a 50 round magazine designed specifically to kill as many people as possible in the shortest time as possible to medical supplies?
The morality of forcing a woman to have a child conceived through rape or incest or forcing a discussion to save the unborn child at the price of the mothers life? What’s your definition of morality?
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