Catholic and Democrat in US

[Autumnfa]

Well put!!

 

[Autumnfa]

I do agree with you

 

[farronwolf]

farronwolf:

So what is your plan to fix the county worth of human massacred each week?

Step 1 would be voting out the people who approve the massacre… I think that’s a fairly good starting point.

I also donate money to Mission Pre-Born and other pro-life orgs.

Guess what, you can’t vote them out. Federal Judges are appointed for life, ie Supreme Court Justices who decided the court case of Roe and subsequent cases which upheld Roe.

Law makers had little or nothing to do with making it legal.

Next please.

 

[Elf01]

Guess what, you can’t vote them out. Federal Judges are appointed for life, ie Supreme Court Justices who decided the court case of Roe and subsequent cases which upheld Roe.

Law makers had little or nothing to do with making it legal.

Next please.

Law makers appoint the judges, so voting pro life is not only good for the term of office.

 

[ReaderT]

Guess what, you can’t vote them out. Federal Judges are appointed for life, ie Supreme Court Justices who decided the court case of Roe and subsequent cases which upheld Roe.

Law makers had little or nothing to do with making it legal.

Next please.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is now 87 and battling cancer, it’s likely she’s going to have to step down within the next 4 years. Stephen Breyer is 82 and will be 86 by the end of the next presidential term; it’s very possible he may retire also.

 

[Diaconia]

Plus, Clarence Thomas could retire if Trump was re-elected and could replace him, as well.

Replacing Ginsburg and Breyer would help flip the composition of the high court to finally undo the monstrosity decision of Roe.

Replacing Thomas would secure a conservative court for many years.

Deacon Christopher

 

[farronwolf]

So the hope is that enough justices are on the SCOTUS to overturn Roe. Probably won’t happen.

Even if it does, it would revert back to the states. Which would in turn lead to protracted legal battles when state A something is legal, and state B the same thing is illegal. More cases will be brought before the SCOTUS and it will continually be visited.

I don’t hold any hope on that approach.

Even in illegal, it won’t stop abortions. They happened before it was ruled legal, and will continue whether legal or not. If illegal, there won’t be penalties placed against the women getting the abortion so what is to stop them. Very, very few people want to imprison a woman for getting an abortion. Why this is, I can’t fathom, but that is the case.

I am not hanging my hat on this approach to stopping abortion. Relying on 9 individuals to stop something that the majority of American’s think should be legal.

 

[Elf01]

Even in illegal, it won’t stop abortions. They happened before it was ruled legal, and will continue whether legal or not. If illegal, there won’t be penalties placed against the women getting the abortion so what is to stop them. Very, very few people want to imprison a woman for getting an abortion. Why this is, I can’t fathom, but that is the case.

I am not hanging my hat on this approach to stopping abortion. Relying on 9 individuals to stop something that the majority of American’s think should be legal.

The goal of making abortion illegal is to have the state recognize that the unborn have a right to life. Even if it had no impact on abortion numbers it’s a worthy goal.

 

[Ridgerunner]

You really need to study this more. Trump kept his interest. To do that, he had to comply with the “absolute priority rule”; that is, pay all creditors 100%; if not in cash, the “indubitable equivalent”. I could have even been (though I doubt it) interest in the casinos equal in value to their claims. Trump later sold them at a profit, so anyone who got a piece of it would have too.

One thing Ch 11 can do, and usually does do, is change interest rates to the market rate and push them off to the end of the loan.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The goal of making abortion illegal is to have the state recognize that the unborn have a right to life. Even if it had no impact on abortion numbers it’s a worthy goal.

I could not agree more. Our laws tell us and our children who and what we are. Right now, we’re child killers, and we should do everything in our power to shed that curse on our souls.

 

[goout]

There seems to much dialogue about RC’s and party affiliation in the US. On many occasions I have read that to be a member of the Democratic Party or to vote Democrat is anti-life and not consistent with the teachings of the church.

If you are Catholic and vote Democrat how do you reconcile their pro-choice position on abortion?

Do the math:
How would you reconcile with a politician who advocated killing the elderly?
How about a politician who advocates for racial discrimination?
How about one who advocates for teen drug use?

How do you make these evaluations in pursuit of human dignity and flourishing?
The evaluation of abortion is no different. It is the direct and intentional taking of an innocent life. How can you support anyone who advocates for the direct and intentional taking of innocent life?
All other matters of prudential judgment in regard to human rights flow from the right to exist.

 

[goout]

farronwolf:

Even in illegal, it won’t stop abortions. They happened before it was ruled legal, and will continue whether legal or not. If illegal, there won’t be penalties placed against the women getting the abortion so what is to stop them. Very, very few people want to imprison a woman for getting an abortion. Why this is, I can’t fathom, but that is the case.

I am not hanging my hat on this approach to stopping abortion. Relying on 9 individuals to stop something that the majority of American’s think should be legal.

The goal of making abortion illegal is to have the state recognize that the unborn have a right to life. Even if it had no impact on abortion numbers it’s a worthy goal.

This right here.
If we held the defeatist attitude that “it won’t do any good” nothing difficult would ever be started.
Christ could have said the same thing on the way to the cross.
“It won’t do any good, they will go on hating me and hating each other, I’m turning back”.

 

[farronwolf]

So the goal isnt to stop abortions but to have the state declare unborn have a right to life. Wow, just wow.

Beyond my disbelief in that thought process it creates it’s own set of problems.

So pregnant women would be subject to penalties for anything that may jeopardize their unborn child. If they smoke or drink a glass of wine or dont wear their seatbelts or any other long list of things are they then put in jail. But wait most people wouldn’t even want to punish the woman if they got an illegal abortion.

Please tell me how this would work and why the goal isnt to end abortion.

 

[farronwolf]

No I dont need to study it more. If folks could pay all of their creditors 100 percent of what they owe they wouldn’t file bankruptcy.

There wouldn’t be different classes of creditors.

Stop drinking the kool aid and go get real world evidence of what happens under chapter 11.

I am done with this derailment.

 

[goout]

So the goal isnt to stop abortions but to have the state declare unborn have a right to life. Wow, just wow.

Beyond my disbelief in that thought process it creates it’s own set of problems.

So pregnant women would be subject to penalties for anything that may jeopardize their unborn child. If they smoke or drink a glass of wine or dont wear their seatbelts or any other long list of things are they then put in jail. But wait most people wouldn’t even want to punish the woman if they got an illegal abortion.

Please tell me how this would work and why the goal isnt to end abortion.

Of course the goal is to preserve human life at all stages.
??
Call me puzzled.

 

[Ridgerunner]

No I dont need to study it more. If folks could pay all of their creditors 100 percent of what they owe they wouldn’t file bankruptcy.

There wouldn’t be different classes of creditors.

Bankruptcy is necessary, which is why we have it. If you have a $50,000.00 loan that, by its terms is due tomorrow, you wouldn’t be able to pay it unless you had that much ready cash. But if a court gave you five years to pay it, you could manage. That’s mostly what bankruptcy courts do in Chapter 11; rearrange your debts so you can pay them.

I am done with this derailment.

My response is not for you. It’s for those others who might not understand Chapter 11 bankruptcy but would like to know.

 

[nicholasG]

Of course the goal is to preserve human life at all stages.

Would preserving human life at all stages include banning military type weapons and creating a national database to register all gun owners so that we could avoid another Sandy Hook were 20-year-old Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people, including 20 children between six and seven years old, and six adult staff members.

 

[Naga]

With respect to stopping abortions not being the goal “per se”, Trent Horn has a good discussion that may help you understand this point. I believe it is in this video, but I don’t know the timestamp offhand. I may look through it later to find it:

 

[MagdalenaRita]

So the goal isnt to stop abortions but to have the state declare unborn have a right to life. Wow, just wow.

IMHO what they are saying is in order to stop abortions the first thing that needs to be done is to recognize that the unborn are living human beings and that they have a right to life just the same as everyone else.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I have read that to be a member of the Democratic Party or to vote Democrat is anti-life and not consistent with the teachings of the church.

If you are Catholic and vote Democrat how do you reconcile their pro-choice position on abortion?

I think what is happening here is Catholics and other Christians are realizing that there is definitely something wrong in the democratic party as far as the teachings of the Church and Scripture. There is becoming a realization that the democratic party has lost it’s way and no longer lines up with many Church teachings; abortion, same sex marriage, so called women’s health, religious freedom, government and more. These are big issues and we aren’t to encourage or support what goes against the Church or God’s Word.

So, IMHO, due to the name of this forum, which is misleading and is the reason for the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, with all charity, if every Catholic on this forum said they were voting democrat despite the democrats stand and their pushing of these major issues, it would not make it right. Might does not make right and morals are not based on majority and this forum does not represent all Catholics.

So, I would pray over the issue of voting and obey God’s Word and the Church.