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VanitasVanitatum
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Likewise others will take over whatever source they want over yours.
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Catholic author argues a vote for Warren will save unborn lives. Thoughts?
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translaticius
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Cognitive dissonance is very powerful and hard to overcome. God himself could come down right now and tell us something but there would still be those who say “well yeah but…”
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Dovekin
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How can you claim an holistic approach when you do not even mention the mother? Economics, law, morality, you wirte about, but not the woman who makes the moral decision?
A safety net not only provides economic support, it supplies some level of security. And no matter what women say about why they get abortions, insecurity is almost always a factor. The sudden shift in who they are, the additional threats to their plans in life, are things every mother experiences. They can be unsettling.
If you want to prevent abortions, stop threatening women with laws, with decreased access to women’s healthcare, etc. Give her a greater sense that she can handle whatever comes by allowing her to make her own decisions, by ensuring that proper medical care will be available for her and for any children she has.
A safety net not only provides economic support, it supplies some level of security. And no matter what women say about why they get abortions, insecurity is almost always a factor. The sudden shift in who they are, the additional threats to their plans in life, are things every mother experiences. They can be unsettling.
If you want to prevent abortions, stop threatening women with laws, with decreased access to women’s healthcare, etc. Give her a greater sense that she can handle whatever comes by allowing her to make her own decisions, by ensuring that proper medical care will be available for her and for any children she has.
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Jimbo
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Of course, that was a bad error on my part. I wasn’t clear.
When I wrote:
“We can get more aid to those who otherwise feel they need to abort.”
I meant aid for the mother.
But I don’t see where I threatened Mother’s with cutting off healthcare?
I do deny their choice to abort. I deny any individuals right to end the life of another individual.
When I wrote:
“We can get more aid to those who otherwise feel they need to abort.”
I meant aid for the mother.
But I don’t see where I threatened Mother’s with cutting off healthcare?
I do deny their choice to abort. I deny any individuals right to end the life of another individual.
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But what do you consider a “lot of money.”
In our city, an average income is between $25,000 and $40,000 per year. Public school teacher salaries start at around $37,000/year. People in my lab (Bacherlor’s degree required) start out at around $25-27/hour. My brother is a skilled laborer (welder) who clears over $90,000/year–he attended a trade school for 2 years and earned a certificate.
The Chief Medical Officer of our hospital system has a salary of around $200,000. He’s a medical doctor and practiced for many years, and I believe has also earned an MBA. He makes many decisions everyday that will impact Northern Illinois for decades (e.g., the decision to build a high-risk nursery on our campus). He’s basically always working, as he represents our hospital everywhere he goes.
Do you consider these salaries a lot of money?
Everyone in our family got a tax cut. My older daughter (the entertainment industry professional) thought she didn’t get one, but my husband showed her the math and yes, she got a tax cut.
Perhaps you should ask someone in your payroll department to show you the math–I’ll bet you a “like” on CAF that you got a tax cut, too.
It wasn’t anything huge. For me, it was a couple of extra hundred dollars over the period of several months–nice, since we had not received raises for several years.
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This is from the article, which quotes Pope Benedict.Yes – cooperation with abortion is considered a mortal sin, right? Have I read that voting for a pro-abort candidate is a mortal sin? I’m sure there are folks on here who will say it is fine…
“In fact, there is no blanket requirement for Catholic voters to vote against a pro-choice politician, even when that politician is competing against someone who is formally pro-life. Church teaching on this point was succinctly summarized in 2004 by Pope Benedict XVI, then the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who wrote, “A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”
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JSRG
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Have you considered the American Solidarity Party?
Pro-life, but more like Democrats than Republicans when it comes to healthcare.
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Okay, Pope Benedict vs EWTN! I guess Pope Benedict wins!
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JimG
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The sexual revolution disengaged sex from babies, making the human reproductive system a contradiction. Everyone had to have access to artificial contraception, and to abortion as a backup, in order to make the reproductive system non-reproductive.
Except for rape, no one becomes pregnant except by mutual consent. So if pregnancy, a natural occurrence, comes about, every woman now must have the right to eliminate the child. It seems that the new argument is that society must agree to support any child in order to induce the mother not to abort the child.
Actually it’s pretty easy to avoid unwanted pregnancy by not engaging in sex.
Except for rape, no one becomes pregnant except by mutual consent. So if pregnancy, a natural occurrence, comes about, every woman now must have the right to eliminate the child. It seems that the new argument is that society must agree to support any child in order to induce the mother not to abort the child.
Actually it’s pretty easy to avoid unwanted pregnancy by not engaging in sex.
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Dovekin
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To you, restricted to the fetus’ vision, these clinics are for abortion. For the rest of the world, they are for women’s health. To women who are insecure about their future, theri health or a child’s health, your words come across as a threat to their access to healthcare.
You may have a clearer vision of the situation. But even if the women are wrong about these clinics, they see the threat, which is what I am talking about.
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otjm
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Please provide some evidence, rather than philosophical musings, that women are primarily,motivated by economics in terms of choosing abortion.
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Dovekin
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Have you spken with any living, breathing people in the last 20 years?
As opposed to what? The government has the right to tell women what to do?
Women have tried to abort their children for eons. Not very successfully sometimes, but they have tried. It is not a new thing.
The new argument is that we have to convince women not to abort, not impose our will on them. (that sounds familiar.) The discussion is about how to decrease abortions.
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Dovekin
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As has been stated repeatedly, the 2005 Guttmacher poll that was quoted in the initial article says that. If you want to dispute that, something of equal or better quality would be more than welcome.
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13pollitos
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The government tells me, a woman, that I must wear my seatbelt. I will be ticketed for not wearing my seatbelt. It is smart to wear a seatbelt, but who is affected by my lack of seatbelt wearing except for me? I don’t drive safer or control my vehicle better if I’m buckled up. As a passenger, i don’t cause fewer distractions to the driver if I’m not buckled up. If I crash, no one except for me is at increase risk of injury. It’s my body, i should have a right to decide if I wear my seatbelt or not. But the government has mandated that i must wear my seatbelt.
Why shouldn’t the government tell me, as a woman, that I cannot harm my baby? We have already seen that the government can and does tell me already what I can and can’t do with my body while riding in a vehicle, an activity that has no impact on the health of anyone but me. If it’s my body and I have the right to decide to kill my baby, why can’t I have the right to avoid seatbelts?
People have been raping and murdering people for eons as well. That doesn’t mean we should allow that to happen now.
Convince me to wear a seatbelt instead of imposing your will on me.
And still, no one has provided any other sources. I have asked. Others have asked. You all are trying to convince us that this is what will work so you all should be able to prove it with multiple sources. Every other source I’ve ever seen has been about contraception availability and reduction of abortions. Which is accurate, or is it neither?
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Annie
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While it is true that some women have tried to kill their unborn children throughout the ages, it was nowhere near as common as it was thought to be. Dr Bernard Nathanson, who co-founded NARAL, wrote that they lied and made up the numbers of women having abortions and dying from abortion. The actual numbers were a tiny fraction of the numbers NARAL publicized.
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Annie
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I think he meant that ABC disconnected sex from babies, and the sexual revolution was the consequence of that separation.
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Annie
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Most county health departments provide the same services PP does.
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Jimbo
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We don’t do anyone a good service by giving them easier access to an objective evil.
To a business owner who just wants to make a profit and earn a living, environmental regulations that prevent that person from open dumping may seem a restriction of choice and a threat to their profits and even viability.
But we don’t allow open dumping so that a business feels more secure.
To a business owner who just wants to make a profit and earn a living, environmental regulations that prevent that person from open dumping may seem a restriction of choice and a threat to their profits and even viability.
But we don’t allow open dumping so that a business feels more secure.
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Annie
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In the US, we still have welfare. Women get Medicaid, Section 8 housing, food “stamps,” help with day care, etc.
So, I am not sure what is being proposed or why it is put forth as a necessity to reduce abortion.
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Peeps
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This is not true.
IF you don’t wear your seatbelt, and you and I are involved in a car accident, not necessarily a fiery crash at high speeds, but just a small two-car low-speed crash, and you are killed or left disabled for life because you were were not wearing your seatbelt, and I walk away with a few scratches because I was wearing my seatbelt–
–I can guarantee that I will SUFFER tremendous guilt and sorrow for the REST OF MY LIFE!!! It is possible that I will be so traumatized by my part in killing or maiming you that I won’t be able to drive anymore, and this would make it difficult for me to carry on with my current life (job, church and family activities, hobbies, etc.). It’s possible that I will have nightmares and flashbacks in which i see your mangled body being pried out of the wreckage. And I will probably cry at inopportune times, which will affect other people around me.
Even if the accident was not my fault, even if the police rule that the accident was totally YOUR fault–I will still feel immense guilt and sadness, and I will visit over and over in my mind again how different things would be if you had been wearing your seatbelt.
It is very possible that I will lose my sanity over the accident. Psychosis runs in my family, and several of my family members spent time in various “institutions” and underwent electric shock therapy and other therapies that were supposed to help them be “normal” again.
So I may have to undergo therapy (expensive) to get to a point where I will be able to enjoy some kind of normal life again.
But life will never be “normal” for me again because I killed you, or caused you permanent disability.
If the accident WAS my fault, as ruled by the police, I will have to pay fines and possibly spend some time in jail.
In other words, your unwillingness to wear a seatbelt could destroy my life, or at least up-end it in a major way.
So everyone, PLEASE, do the simple thing–wear your seatbelt.
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