Catholic Belief Regarding the Judgement of a Jew

[fms]

When the Jews go after other gods they sin.

In the Exodus quote God warns it will be a snare for them. We know what snares do. One cannot escape them by their own power.

Ps 124: 6-7 Blessed be Yahweh who did not let us fall a victim to those teeth, who let us escape like birds from the fowler’s net. He tore the net and we escaped;

The Jews do this over and over again and usually the are carted away to foreign lands as a result.

They cry to him.

Because of his tenderness, and because of the oath he swore, and for the sake of his holiness, he comes and saves them both from exile and from their sins.

 

[Kaninchen]

When the Jews go after other gods they sin.

In the Exodus quote God warns it will be a snare for them. We know what snares do. One cannot escape them by their own power.

The Jews do this over and over again and usually the are carted away to foreign lands as a result.

They cry to him.

Because of his tenderness, and because of the oath he swore, and for the sake of his holiness, he comes and saves them both from exile and from their sins.

I think the problem is that we think of ‘salvation as a people’ from the real and immediate, which may, or may not be the consequence of us not all not keeping the Sabbath properly or whatever (which is what you’re describing), while Christians think of it as individual saving from the consequence of individual sin and eternal damnation (which you want to introduce into the equation).

 

[valentino]

The leniency for rape concerns the physical and psychological health of the mother (which are intertwined), which may be endangered by carrying the unborn child to term and afterwards. Many Torah Jews take this into account; some may not.

Its still a judgement call.So both Christians and Jews(no matter of what group they belong)make their judgement.And its not likely that they will ever agree.it really goes back to 2 things.Christians believe that the Pope with the guidance of the HS working in him is the ultimate voice on the subject.Jews believing that the HS working through certain chosen people have the ultimate authority to decide.So Jews and Christians will never be able to agree.

 

[fms]

I think the problem is that we think of ‘salvation as a people’ from the real and immediate, which may, or may not be the consequence of us not all not keeping the Sabbath properly or whatever (which is what you’re describing), while Christians think of it as individual saving from the consequence of individual sin and eternal damnation (which you want to introduce into the equation).

Thank you so much for this recognition!

We shall continue later…

 

[chosen_people]

What does the Catholic Church believe about the Judgement of an observant Jew? Does a Jew have to believe that Jesus was the Messiah to enter heaven?

I think that some Jews should be allowed into heaven on the condition that they promise not to try and join the golf club.

 

[VivaCristoRey27]

I believe the Church believes that all Jews will become saved at the end of the world and will except Jesus.

Yes, the St. Paul says the Jews will convert to Catholicism at the end of the world but this only refers to the Jews alive at that point in history and doesn’t mean that every single Jew will convert and certainly doesn’t mean that every single Jew will be saved.

 

[VivaCristoRey27]

It is better to have never existed: “For the Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born" (Mark 14:21).

G-d Bless

It depends on whether you mean subjectively or objectively. Yes, subjectively Judas might have wished he had never been born after being condemned to Hell but objectively, existence is always better than non-existence. That is why God still actively holds those in Hell in existence and loves their nature (which is, in spite of their sinfulness, still made in His image).

 

[VivaCristoRey27]

Hi Viva,

Here is what he wrote

“Catholics should not seek the incorporation of the Jewish people into the Church.”

“Israel is in the hands of God, who will save it ‘as a whole’ at the proper time, when the number of Gentiles is full,” the pope writes. He says that Christians should “wait for the time fixed for this by God” rather than attempting to convert the Jewish people.

While the Pope affirms that salvation only comes through Jesus Christ, he argues that the mission of the Church is primarily to the Gentiles, and cites the belief of St. Bernard that God will bring Jews into the fold at a time “that cannot be anticipated.”

The Pope acknowledges that efforts by Christians to convert Jews have caused severe problems over the centuries. Although he does not propose to place limits on evangelization, or discourage individual conversions, he does say that Christians should not target Jews specifically for conversion.
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Yes, although every person has the ability to be saved, the Jews in general have a veil on their hearts which will not be lifted until the Antichrist comes and the prophet Elias preaches to them and converts them. I think this is what Benedict was trying to get at.

 

[VivaCristoRey27]

MetzerBoY: On the case that a mother would die if an abortion were not preformed IMO I believe the church’s stance is that it can’t be proved that a woman would die if she did not have an abortion.Are you sure that this kind of case has ever happened?Other wise concerning rape or incest it is still morally wrong to have an abortion.Even though those are terrible crimes the human person in the womb still has the right to be born.Those offenders must be punished if caught.Also society or the CC must be allowed to help thatt person who has to carry that fetus to term and also help in adoption if she is unable or doesn’t want to care for the baby.The CC has orgs.which help the mother and child until they can live on their own.

The Church’s position is that it is never acceptable to commit evil (murder) in order that some good (saving the life of the mother) may result.
Rom 3:8:

And not rather (as we are slandered, and as some affirm that we say) let us do evil, that there may come good? whose damnation is just.

That is why direct abortion is never acceptable.

 

[VivaCristoRey27]

Aloha from Hawaii Kaninchen, it has been a while.

Question: There are numerous references in the Hebrew Bible about salvation. How do you understand these?

For example:

Ps27:1 Yahweh is my light and my salvation, whom need I fear?

The carnal Jews only understand carnal things, they do not understand the spiritual reality.

 

[VivaCristoRey27]

I think that some Jews should be allowed into heaven on the condition that they promise not to try and join the golf club.

youtube.com/watch?v=171FURqSIQc (Caddyshack)